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post #61 of 1567 Old 04-02-2014, 01:58 PM
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I need HBO GO support (specifically Comcast support, which Roku blocks) before I buy this. That's why I'm interested in the new Apple TV. The current one works with Comcast.

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Show Time but no HBO? What's up with that?

Update: Amazon could not confirm that HBO Go is coming to the Fire TV, only saying "we're working to get more content.""

So -- like I said Show Time but no HBO.
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The bigger WTF is where is MLB?!?! That's a much more glaring omission 3 days into the regular season.

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Not according to Amazon. Or the LA Times
"The Fire TV supports a few dozen channels, including Amazon Instant Video, WatchESPN and NBA Game Time, but it is glaringly missing HBO GO. It also lacks support for Spotify, Rdio, MLB.TV and NHL GameCenter."
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I need HBO GO support (specifically Comcast support, which Roku blocks) before I buy this. That's why I'm interested in the new Apple TV. The current one works with Comcast.
I'm pretty sure it's Comcast blocking it. Yet another reason to oppose the merger.
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I'm using a Chromecast right now for HBO GO support which is decent, but it's only 720p/2.0 support. I read the Apple TV offers full 1080p/5.1 support.

Hopefully they'll add HBO GO support to the Amazon device, but if the new Apple TV comes out first with HBO GO support I'll probably just go ahead and buy it.

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So -- like I said Show Time but no HBO.
Not according to Amazon. Or the LA Times
"The Fire TV supports a few dozen channels, including Amazon Instant Video, WatchESPN and NBA Game Time, but it is glaringly missing HBO GO. It also lacks support for Spotify, Rdio, MLB.TV and NHL GameCenter."

Correct. The information initially said HBO Go was included... then it was updated which I posted.

My Google search did me in on the MLB.tv as it looked like it said supported but it was covered by the dreaded "..."...when you clicked the article it said YET TO BE SUPPORTED.

Hopefully they will both arrive for those that want them... I'll cut them a break as it's just launched today.
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"HDMI audio pass through up to 7.1"

Was thinking about this text in the spec list. Could that mean bitstream truehd/dtsma audio capability for Plex? That would be downright amazing.

With avc and vc1 support that means full on BD rip capability. The only question would be PGS subtitles as well.

Full on BD rip capability? Not if the codec is mpeg2 which some older titles were .. And you've no idea whether it supports any of the advanced audio codecs or even standard codecs like LPCM.
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Yup, I'm out no IR for Universal Remotes!!!!
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Full on BD rip capability? Not if the codec is mpeg2 which some older titles were .. And you've no idea whether it supports any of the advanced audio codecs or even standard codecs like LPCM.

or what containers...mkv, m2ts, ts, etc.  Would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

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Yup, I'm out no IR for Universal Remotes!!!!

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Here we go: http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/an-afternoon-with-the-fire-tv/

Much more in-depth hands on. Actual usage review

Edit: Just read it, more of an initial impression review.
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or what containers...mkv, m2ts, ts, etc. Would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

It appears there will not be a direct local file player at launch. You will be able to play the normal containers just fine through the Plex App though!

Let's hope they include local file play back natively ASAP.
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Meh--seems nice enough, but there's nothing there to make me want to buy it. I've got a dozen devices, including 3 game consoles, which stream video and this doesn't do anything that they collectively can't except play Amazon exclusive games, the first announced one of which is a snooze fest.

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My previous comments were made assuming use of Plex. Plex could support the containers. Also, Plex, even on a Synology, can transcode mpeg2 easily. So even if natively supported, that still works.

Plex on the Roku doesn't do VC1 without transcoding. That's a huge miss that the Fire should be able to do.

I went ahead and ordered one. Figure I want to put it through its paces firsthand. Amazon returns are easy. In some respects though I kind of hope it comes up short because using it will have a ripple effect maybe for other tech products and services we use potentially.
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Here we go: http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/02/an-afternoon-with-the-fire-tv/

Much more in-depth hands on. Actual usage review

Edit: Just read it, more of an initial impression review.
It appears there will not be a direct local file player at launch. You will be able to play the normal containers just fine through the Plex App though!

Let's hope they include local file play back natively ASAP.

Plex might be ok, but I don't want it doing any transcoding so all formats and containers would need to be supported.

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Yup, I'm out no IR for Universal Remotes!!!!
IR remotes are so last decade. Bluetooth remotes are the future as you don't have to point them in front of the device.

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IR remotes are so last decade. Bluetooth remotes are the future as you don't have to point them in front of the device.

We'll thanks for that info. I just chucked both of my MX980's in the trash. I'm not getting caught with yesterday's technology. No way.
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Meh--seems nice enough, but there's nothing there to make me want to buy it. I've got a dozen devices, including 3 game consoles, which stream video and this doesn't do anything that they collectively can't except play Amazon exclusive games, the first announced one of which is a snooze fest.

 

No thanks. I'm not rushing out to get one either.

 

Throw in an OTA tuner and I might be tempted, although I'm very averse to being sucked into Amazon's walled garden. This whole deal is really just a marketing ploy to get more people to sign up for Amazon's Prime service.


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formats/containers supported list on the developper's sdk&tools database : https://developer.amazon.com/sdk/asb/media-specs.html

20mbps max bitrate makes it clear that the firetv is only for webstreaming or SD streaming through Plex (or with a crazy transcoding to limit HD streaming to 20mbps while keeping 1080p).
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Im not loyal to Amazon or Itunes, Ive had the ATV, Roku's and now this. What I do need is Amazon, Netflix and WatchESPN. The only thing Im unhappy with on my Roku 3 is the RGB output because it requires me to change display settings every time. Not a big deal, but if the Fire tv does just as good and is ycbcr, then the Roku 3 goes to the bedroom.

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Im not loyal to Amazon or Itunes, Ive had the ATV, Roku's and now this. What I do need is Amazon, Netflix and WatchESPN. The only thing Im unhappy with on my Roku 3 is the RGB output because it requires me to change display settings every time. Not a big deal, but if the Fire tv does just as good and is ycbcr, then the Roku 3 goes to the bedroom.
I wonder does anyway know if the Amazon Fire has ycbcr or RGB?

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I wonder does anyway know if the Amazon Fire has ycbcr or RGB?

I'll have mine today. How would I check?
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Do you have an avr it goes into? Denon and Onkyo will tell you in the menu whether its ycbcr or RGB. Some displays will offer different menu options depending on ycbcr or RGB.

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I got a Denon, hmm Bought it a year ago can't remember the model. 2313 or 2113. I haven't finished my media room. Whats the diff between RGB or ycbcr anyways?
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You can find the colorspace info in the general menu Im sure. It will have an audio and video option, one will show you audio coming in and then what is going out. Video info will look kind like this:

1080p60>1080p60
ycbcr 444>ycbcr 444 (or RGB 444)
8 bits>8bits

RGB is more of a computer based color space but can also be used for video, and even though many displays do not handle its input well, I think most convert a ycbcr input into RGB internally. Its very odd, but some displays and AVR's just do not handle RGB well for whatever reason.

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It appears there will not be a direct local file player at launch. You will be able to play the normal containers just fine through the Plex App though!

Let's hope they include local file play back natively ASAP.

As far as local media playback, this seems very limited and more akin to competing with a RoKu or WDTV Play which are primarily Internet streaming devices. For comprehensive local media playback, one would still want the power of either a WDTV Live-SMP or a Mede8er (for 3D). The Plex client is nice since it will allow the server to trans-code source to fit the limited formats supported by the player -- same as a DLNA client/server relationship found on most BD players and "smart" HDTV's. But for people that want to stream local content in original format from a NAS that doesn't have trans-coding capability, this will be no more suitable than either RoKu or WDTV Play is.

It will be interesting how this device develops, but it seems clear it is targeted at Internet streaming and not local media.

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Awesome, mine was delivered today (did not pay for 2 day). Looks like Ill be checking out some streaming content tonight!

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