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WD TV Announced on May 27, 2014 the availability of their latest WD TV media player: The WD TV Personal Edition.

http://www.wd.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=1270
http://www.wdc.com/en/company/pressroom/releases/?release=a8d341a9-2672-414f-a974-4d8b0be73440

WD has dropped the "Live" moniker that has existed since 2009 with the introduction of the WD TV Live HD Media Player (the Gen 1.)

Other players in that line:

WD TV Live Plus HD Media Player (2010)
WD TV Live Hub (2011)
WD TV Live Streaming Media Player (A/K/A "Gen 3" or "SMP") (2012)

The introduction of the WD TV Play met with little fanfare in 2013, and I suspect the 2014 WD TV PE will be met with the same lack of interest.

Major changes:

WD and NetFlix have parted company, so this player does not have NetFlix.
This is the first player with published SDK / API specifications for public app development and USB installation
The PE uses the same user interface as the WD TV Play (WD Code Name: Arsenal)

... but includes many (most?) of the same bugs as the existing WD TV Live SMP, indicating the underlying core firmware is the same lineage as the Hub and SMP.

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I don't see anything in the specs to indicate any hardware change from the SMP. Surely WD can't still be the only player to lack 5GHZ can it???

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I wish they could bring the custom apps to the SMP, but I guess it is a different UI altogether. I really don't see how they expect to sell any of these without Netflix.
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Looking at the spec and feature pages for this and the SMP I can see only a few discernible differences:

New home screen
Miracast
No Netflix
SDK

How many of these might come to the SMP via a firmware update?

Also, the PE mentions Wifi N but the SMP only mentions Wifi - does the SMP have N or is it only G?

I'm guessing it's still 100 Mbit Ethernet as it doesn't state a speed at all.

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If the differences really are just cosmetic, why would they continue to sell the SMP?

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If you are going to download the SDK, you need to scroll right to the bottom of the agreement otherwise it just reloads the page (took me 3 attempts to figure that out!)

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I really don't see how they expect to sell any of these without Netflix.
+1. To most, the combination of premium apps (namely Netflix) with great local media playback is what made the WD TV attractive until now.

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+1. To most, the combination of premium apps (namely Netflix) with great local media playback is what made the WD TV attractive until now.

Actually I've never used any services on my SMP. Better WiFi is the main thing that might motivate me to upgrade. I'm not sure if faster processor or more memory would make a noticeable difference. Bluetooth would be cool, assuming it could separate the audio...

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Also, the PE mentions Wifi N but the SMP only mentions Wifi - does the SMP have N or is it only G?

The SMP is 2.4 GHz 802.11n. So is the PE. No 5 GHz on either.
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The SMP is 2.4 GHz 802.11n. So is the PE. No 5 GHz on either.

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I just don't get it. I compared the spec sheet for the SMP and PE and they are identical. As far as streaming channels, with the exception of no Netflix on the PE, the SMP and PE have exactly the same channels. The boxes look the same, have the same dimensions and weight and I/O ports. Is this just the same box with an interface change and no Netflix? What is going on? Did Netflix decide to charge them more to include the Netflix channel and so they punted? Does it still do DTS-HD?

I don't get it -- what am I missing?
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If the differences really are just cosmetic, why would they continue to sell the SMP?
When the Live plus was introduced, they still listed and sold the original Live for a while and gave it a couple firmware updates.
When the Live-SMP was introduced, they still listed and sold the Live plus for a while and gave it a couple firmware updates before relegating it to Latin America.
Now that the Live-PE has been introduced, I suspect they will do the same with the Live-SMP.

Amazon lists the Live-PE for $99 with shipping in 2-5 weeks. Amazon also lists the Live-SMP at $79, probably until stock depletes. I've been thinking of adding another player to my home network, so looks like now is the time to pick up a couple Live-SMP's before they disappear. I'll be ordering tonight.

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Unless they improve the lousy fast forward, I have no interest.
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I have the Live-SMP hate it, got the KDlinks hd720 love it.

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Seems like it's gotta have larger FW storage if nothing else, to accommodate browser, apps etc. But without more horsepower to run them who would bother porting apps to it?

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The exclusion of Netflix seems very strange, I wonder what happened there.
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My guess is because this version of WD TV has an SDK to allow devs to build custom apps (which could open the box to exploits) and there's more of a focus on local media support, they couldn't get Netflix.

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custom app's does not have to open up exploits as you can sandbox any apps. But my guess is netflix just doesnt want to play ball anymore. maybe the return on actual wdtv boxes was limited.
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custom app's does not have to open up exploits as you can sandbox any apps. But my guess is netflix just doesnt want to play ball anymore. maybe the return on actual wdtv boxes was limited.

Do providers pay to have their services supported? I assumed any box with Netflix access was a potential subscriber, so they would want every one they could get...

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My guess is because this version of WD TV has an SDK to allow devs to build custom apps (which could open the box to exploits) and there's more of a focus on local media support, they couldn't get Netflix.
Hmmmm . . . I wonder if the SDK would enable a port of XBMC to run on this "new" WD-PE.
That could be interesting.

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No Netflix, no thanks!
I can understand your feelings, but how many boxes do you need to run Netflix. Just about all BD players, all new Smart TV's and game consoles have a Netflix client, not to mention RoKu. Even my TiVo has a Netflix app.

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Hmmmm . . . I wonder if the SDK would enable a port of XBMC to run on this "new" WD-PE.
That could be interesting.
Wouldn't that be cool?!
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I can understand your feelings, but how many boxes do you need to run Netflix. Just about all BD players, all new Smart TV's and game consoles have a Netflix client, not to mention RoKu. Even my TiVo has a Netflix app.
True dat! I know my fridge being able to do Netflix is next wink.gif.

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Wouldn't that be cool?!
I wonder if they had their eye on the Fire TV
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True dat! I know my fridge being able to do Netflix is next wink.gif.
Word is the Telletubbies all have Netflix apps.

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Android TV may out-do Fire TV. Rumor is Google will announce it at their I/O in late June. Still, it's one step forward, two steps back with Android-based streamers so far. XBMC finally running well, but no HD audio, nor proper 23.976, etc.

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I can understand your feelings, but how many boxes do you need to run Netflix. Just about all BD players, all new Smart TV's and game consoles have a Netflix client, not to mention RoKu. Even my TiVo has a Netflix app.

I currently have a AVR, TV, and WDTV. I was hoping the new box would be the same but faster and a few more services (Redbull.TV Live!!!). Seems silly to buy multiple devices. I guess HTPC is the best solution. I get frustrated that it takes multiple boxes to get the services and features. All I want is Redbull.tv Live, Netflix, Youtube, and file streaming from local shares.


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The removing of Netflix might have something to do with this.

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The SMP is 2.4 GHz 802.11n. So is the PE. No 5 GHz on either.
Hey, it's already been nick-named "WDTV NN" (no netflix) on the official forums.

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Is this just the same box with an interface change and no Netflix?
Pretty much.

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I have the Live-SMP and I love it.
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What support does it have for free services like ABC CBS etc? Play in browser or use Miracast? Or maybe port the networks' android apps?

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The removing of Netflix might have something to do with this.

It might, but I don't think so. NetFlix's public API is/was used for third-party apps. The WDTV, android, iOS, (etc.) apps use the Streaming API, which is different (and still "supported.")

I doubt there's anything technical about it; my guess is it's purely corporate politics on one side of the door or the other.
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They should've at least included HDMI 2.0 and support for 4K HEVC.
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