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qobuz: the OTHER first lossless streaming service

Surprised there isn't a thread already about qobuz.

Although officially not launched in the US, they are a mainstay in many European countries for audiophiles. While they sell downloads, they are also the first service to offer lossless red-book bitrate/bit-depth streaming.

And while not officially launched in the US, it is in fact possible to sign up and get it unblocked by request.

They don't quite have the selection of Spotify, which exceeds 20 million songs, but they are north of 10 million, and growing, and seem to have all the majors on board.

Anyone using them?

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fascinating silence.

well, i am trying out the 320kbps version, just to see about selection and connectivity and whether they get the quality right at that speed (so far, fewer encoding errors than i have encountered with spotify, but it's early days).

for some reason, though they are a sonos partner, they are not showing up as a service i can add. that's critical for me to pony up for a premium account over time. so i have a ticket in with sonos about that.

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I'll bite.

Sounds promising but not for me. I'll just stick to my flac files that are portable because those cant be beat. I'm more into a rock and metal type of genre and those are just not popular streaming formats for lossless streaming. Im content still with cd's (1-2 cd's/month are cheaper than this service) or HDTracks for hi-res options.

I just have trouble supporting any of the streaming services because I dont want to see that become the sole option
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I might give it a whirl. After being very happy, with MOG for years...I am in search of a suitable replacement; and Spotify hasn't exactly wow-ed me yet. But...content is king.

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I'll bite.

Sounds promising but not for me. I'll just stick to my flac files that are portable because those cant be beat. I'm more into a rock and metal type of genre and those are just not popular streaming formats for lossless streaming. Im content still with cd's (1-2 cd's/month are cheaper than this service) or HDTracks for hi-res options.

I just have trouble supporting any of the streaming services because I dont want to see that become the sole option
Yeah this is not a great option if your prefer physical media, or ownership, bough they do sell downloads too, and seem to monitor provenance better than HdTracks.

But as an alternative to the lossy services it is intriguing. Where else could one stream the recent zeppelin remasters in lossless flac?
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I might give it a whirl. After being very happy, with MOG for years...I am in search of a suitable replacement; and Spotify hasn't exactly wow-ed me yet. But...content is king.
Curious about your spotify comment. Is it audio quality, selection, interface?
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Curious about your spotify comment. Is it audio quality, selection, interface?

Purely interface. Now, I acknowledge that a) change always takes some getting used to, and b) since I use it with Squeezebox (and now also my Denon CEOL)...the issue may not lie with Spotify entirely; but rather the synergy between the two.


Still...that counts as an overall experience, right; and mine has been lukewarm so far (like...if I search for Jack White, and select him as an artist; and then look at his albums...why do I get like 10 instances of Lazaretto, and 9 of them won't play in my region )

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Purely interface. Now, I acknowledge that a) change always takes some getting used to, and b) since I use it with Squeezebox (and now also my Denon CEOL)...the issue may not lie with Spotify entirely; but rather the synergy between the two.


Still...that counts as an overall experience, right; and mine has been lukewarm so far (like...if I search for Jack White, and select him as an artist; and then look at his albums...why do I get like 10 instances of Lazaretto, and 9 of them won't play in my region )
Yeah, usability is VERY important.

(Not to digress but I have used Spotify on Squeezebox with the third party plug in, not the official one, and been surprised, when it works, at how good it is.)

Back OT:

Finally got to the bottom of why QOBUZ is not accessible via SONOS for me, though I can use the web interface and IOS interface and listen to the lossy stream that way, in an email with SONOS today:

"Qobuz is only available in Austria, Belgium, France, French Polynesia, Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Switzerland and the UK. US Sonos users do not have access to Qobuz through Sonos.

Regards,
Matt
Sonos Customer Care"

As a recent convert from Squeezebox to SONOS, mostly for stability purposes but also because as new music services emerge SONOS *usually* covers them quicker and better, this is a deal breaker for me, for now -- in terms of QOBUZ becoming my main source.

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In the mail this weekend. Workarounds no longer required in the US. I haven't yet confirmed if streaming is included. And while Sonos has access to the streaming service outside the US, I don't think they have configured it for the US yet.

"Dear Qobuz Client,

Today, we are both proud and excited to announce the official opening of the Qobuz music download service in your country.

Born in 2009 and open originally in France alone, Qobuz is the online music service that sets the bar for sound quality and editorial content, boasting the largest catalogue of HD downloads in the world.

You won't find MP3 files here! The entire catalogue, including major and independent labels across all musical genres, is available for you in at least True CD Quality (Lossless). Qobuz goes even further to offer you the world's largest catalogue of releases in 24-bit Studio Master quality. This format is superior even to that of a CD, and allows you to listen to your music exactly how it leaves the studio, approved by both the engineer and the artist themselves!

The Qobuz experience is also based in musical expertise: our specialists are actual human beings and will update you every week on what's happening in the music world as well as hand-picking the finest recordings, from both past and present.

Qobuz Client Services is at your disposition for any and all questions, especially during this initial opening period. We are more than happy to receive your comments and opinions in order to improve our unique music service for you everyday."

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Qobuz

I have been using Qobuz for 4 months now. A little more difficult to navigate than some streaming services, but man o' man does the sound quality make it worth it. I came from first using Spotify, then MOG. No comparison in sound quality of these to Qobuz. If you're mainly into a nice interface go Spotify. If sound quality is your thing go Qobuz. The way I look at it is that I didn't spend a small fortune on my hi-fi equipment just to play lossy formats. After using Qobuz I will never go back to 320kbps.
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I think you still have email support@qobuz.com and request an a European IP address for Sonus to work.

"Further more, French company Qobuz has been added to bring a CD-quality streaming service to Sonos for the first time. While other services offer files at 320kbps, Qobuz on Sonos offers unlimited streaming access to CD-quality FLAC files at 16-bit/44.1kHz for a monthly subscription charge.
Read more at http://www.whathifi.com/news/sonos-everything-you-need-to-know#EPc1y8Dquf4pXbrh.99"
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I think you still have email support@qobuz.com and request an a European IP address for Sonus to work.

"Further more, French company Qobuz has been added to bring a CD-quality streaming service to Sonos for the first time. While other services offer files at 320kbps, Qobuz on Sonos offers unlimited streaming access to CD-quality FLAC files at 16-bit/44.1kHz for a monthly subscription charge.
Read more at http://www.whathifi.com/news/sonos-everything-you-need-to-know#EPc1y8Dquf4pXbrh.99"
That's what I was afraid of. On the SONOS side, even if I can listen to QOBUZ on my computer using the workaround, US SONOS won't recognize it and add it as a SONOS service.



Yet....

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Just got an update: The lossless streaming is still on target for launch this Fall in the US *and* the price is going to be USD $20 per month.

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That is good news as Qobuz is costing me about 27.00 per month now. I think they must be dropping the price down because TIDAL is coming.
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I wish I could find official confirmation. This was via a third party. But either way, it's all moving the right direction -- access and affordability.

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$20 a month to listen to music ... well, I guess it's worth it for somebody.

I have about 400-ish CDs that I like and I do love to listen to them... but I don't have to send $20 a month somewhere.

I hate this notion of streaming services but I guess some people can't get enough. My neighbor pays for XM to listen to the same Jimmy Buffet songs endlessly... should could have bought the CDs many times over but some people be a bit daft.

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I was spending way more annually buying CDs. Not to mention this saves me time, shelf space and makes it all accessible everywhere, it's a great deal for my uses.

But sure it's not going to match every consumption pattern.
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Interesting

Hope other services do this. I'd pay 20$ a month for a huge lossless library the would stream in true lossless quality.
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