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This was the posting on the Sony board. I asked that person to place it here, but never received a response, so I took the liberty of pasting it here.

"I open the box and it contains the unit , power adapter and cord, Quick Start Card, HDMI cable, and remote control.
There is no detailed manual supplied and the online one is not in pdf format where you can download it and save it to your PC or Print it. It's web based only. Luckily there are not that many settings, but you do need the online manual to get full descriptions of the options as the names on the menus aren't always clear what they do.

So I open the quick start instructions and Step 1 before you can do anything is to call Sony with your TV Model and Serial Number to see if you will need an HDMI port upgrade done.

I call sony and after 20 minuts they confirm my TV serial number does not need any upgrade (which I had suspected since my Build date of the TV was May 2014).

I connect the power brick and HDMI cable. They are very specific that it must be connected to HDMI port 4 for the 900A/850A Series TVs and Port 2 for all other models.

Then I turn it on and walk through a coulple of initial setup screens and its ready.

There are 4 ports on the back. HDMI Audio/Video, HDMI Audio Only, LAN(100), USB for extra HDD connection.

So I fired it up and find out I have to go to a computer to sign up for the SEN and create an account. So I do that and then go back to the media player and log in.

First thing I notice is there are only 3 choices for content. Video Unlimited 4K, Netflix 4K and Video Player (where you connect your camcorder or usb drive for non copyrighted material). There are no other choices like Hulu, Amazon, Vudu, etc. That was disappointing. You cannot add anymore choices. I guess only if they add them in future updates would you see them.

So I download some of the free content and test it out. Immediately upon hitting play an informational message pops up saying the Scene Select mode on the TV has been changed to Cinema. You have no choice to overide. It will change your TV settings and you can't do anything. Once the video ends it changes it back again (another message). So I watch the video and the picture is fantastic as usual on this TV, BUT it does not look any better than if I put in a Blu-Ray and let the TV upscale it to near 4K. I was expecting a noticeable improvement.
As I browse through the limited movie selection (of which most are 30.00+ per movie) I see moves from 2014 all the way back to 1968. So then It dawns on me that probably none of this content was actually shot in 4K, this is just all upscaled content? It seems to me I can get the same result just popping in a Bluray and letting TV upscale it and it won't cost 30.00 a shot.

SO WHY DID I BUY THIS Media Player? I could watch Netflix through the TV and it would be upscaled to near 4K anyway. So I started to wonder why the big fuss over the A series not having the codec for Netflix 4K. How much of the content is true 4K anyway? It could be years until all the studios and TV companies change over their hardware to shoot in true 4K? I got this on the preorder price of 499.99, but that is still a lot to spend for 30.00 movies that look about the same as a BluRay upscaled.

I'm going to buy and download one of the latest movies and try one to see if the movies are much different than the free short films I looked at, before I make my final decision to return it.

Overall the unit is nice but there is one item that could be a deal breaker.

When the unt is connected to the TV, you CANNOT change any of the picture settings for that HDMI port. The TV remote won't bring up the picture settings menu on the TV like I can do when my Blu-Ray is connected. So the only way to chnage them is to connect some other device to that port, set your picture settings and then hook the media player back up hoping the setting for the other device will work to give the same picture result. This is a major design flaw. The whole point of being able to change picture settings per HDMI port is because each output may need different tweaks to the settings. Also, no matter what settings you do set, it will always force you to use Cinema Scene Select setting.

So far after 1 day here is my Pros/Cons list

Pros - Sleek compact design, looks great
Easy to setup
Includes High Speed HDMI cable (Thats a first for me)
Responsive menus
Compact remote (TV remote will control this player )
Unit shuts on and off with TV and turns on automatically when TV input is switched to Media Player.
Picture looks great - same as any BluRayupscaled or upscaled 1080P source
Cons - Only 2 Content options (Video Unlimited and Netflix)
Cannot change Picture settings on TV for HDMI port unit is connected to.
When starting a video, Scene Select changes to Cinema cannot overide (not sure if this is TV seeing a specific signal or X10)
Help Guide only online, no pdf download available.
High price of movies (most 30.00+)
Have not seen significant picture quality improvement over BluRay upscaled content (Iwill download a full feature film and compare it to BluRay upscaled

Conclusion so far - nice player and solves netflix 4K issue on A series TV's but limited and non adjustbale picture settings may be a deal breaker. It may be just too early for these media units yet and you can get the same picture quality by just letting TV upscale Bluray or 1080p netflix content.
I have not tried Netflix yet

I will update this review once I have downloaded a full feature film and watched it some more. I plan to watch the same movie in 4K and on a Bluray upscaled by TV."

Thanks for an excellent report. I was afraid it was going to be like the X1, sounds like it is.
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Thanks for an excellent report. I was afraid it was going to be like the X1, sounds like it is.
whats everyone expecting from the x10? a massive hike in movie PQ compared to the x1? I wouldn't be surprised if the movie streams are exactly the same on the x1 and x10 with the hevc codec only being used for Netflix and usb input.
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Yes, it will be nice to have the benefit of HEVC (H.265). Hoping they add more streaming choices. Perhaps Amazon Prime will enter the 4k streaming in the near future.


I am hoping for a PQ increase on the X10 but I don't think it is there. The PQ on the movies of the X1 left a lot to be desired in looking like 4K. The shorts looked great however.

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with crutchfield, you get 60 days. either way, please don't do that. For the first evaluation period to see if you want to keep it, that's all well and good but, to keep cycling it is abusing the policy and will get it shut down for everybody else. That's what shut down Costco's return policy on TV's. It's abusing a well intentioned policy...

Also, I imagine if you keep repurchasing the same product and returning it within the return window, somebody is going to shut that down on you and you're going to be stuck with the player.


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whats everyone expecting from the x10? a massive hike in movie PQ compared to the x1? I wouldn't be surprised if the movie streams are exactly the same on the x1 and x10 with the hevc codec only being used for Netflix and usb input.
There was nothing wrong with the PQ on the X-1, so no, I was not expecting any PQ changes. The X-10 is just a ton more user friendly, snappier interface, will be capable of streaming Netflix, Amazon etc., as well as USB capabilities... For a $500 4K solution (regardless of content availability) I have no complaints. Well there is that video drop I'm getting trying to run it straight through my Onkyo, but that's another story...
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whats everyone expecting from the x10? a massive hike in movie PQ compared to the x1? I wouldn't be surprised if the movie streams are exactly the same on the x1 and x10 with the hevc codec only being used for Netflix and usb input.
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There was nothing wrong with the PQ on the X-1, so no, I was not expecting any PQ changes. The X-10 is just a ton more user friendly, snappier interface, will be capable of streaming Netflix, Amazon etc (HOPEFULLY ., as well as USB capabilities... For a $500 4K solution (regardless of content availability) I have no complaints. Well there is that video drop I'm getting trying to run it straight through my Onkyo, but that's another story...
everything Tweaker said. Also, faster download speeds which everyone except for 1 person has said is true.
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I'm glad I picked up my FMP-X1 new off Ebay for $200 when I had the chance. Sounds like much hasn't changed except for H.265 support for Netflix 4K. I have a 950B, so that doesn't really matter for me.
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everything Tweaker said. Also, faster download speeds which everyone except for 1 person has said is true.
I have no doubt Amazon's 4K service will end up on the X-20 ....Oooops did I say that ..

Seriously though, we'll see it on the X-10...Amazon just has to get it in gear!!
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Is anyone running the X10 on a VW600ES projector? Since it isn't explicitly stated as supporting the projector I am crossing my fingers that it will work.

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Is anyone running the X10 on a VW600ES projector? Since it isn't explicitly stated as supporting the projector I am crossing my fingers that it will work.
I know I have asked this question but has anyone gotten 4K videos downloaded to a flash drive to work on the X-10? For me this is very important since I am going to be uploading 4K personal videos. The X-10 is supposed to have this feature but then someone had mentioned it isn't working or won't work until an update later in the year. Otherwise I might have to go with the 900B since I know it works on that and I'm very impatient
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So if I buy an X900B, the only benefit of the FMP-X10 is the ability to buy and store, or rent, $30 movies from a very limited catalogue? Wondering if I should cancel my FMP-X10 order.
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So if I buy an X900B, the only benefit of the FMP-X10 is the ability to buy and store, or rent, $30 movies from a very limited catalogue? Wondering if I should cancel my FMP-X10 order.
Yes. I think it is useless to B owners to be honest.

Mine just got delivered. I will check USB playback right away.
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So if I buy an X900B, the only benefit of the FMP-X10 is the ability to buy and store, or rent, $30 movies from a very limited catalogue? Wondering if I should cancel my FMP-X10 order.
They are all Sony movies. Take a look at the list and decide, keeping in mind that they will be adding movies over time.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/c78ae10141c0...&alloworigin=1
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So if I buy an X900B, the only benefit of the FMP-X10 is the ability to buy and store, or rent, $30 movies from a very limited catalogue? Wondering if I should cancel my FMP-X10 order.
Well that, and then you'll be able to participate in this thread as an X-10 owner which is priceless.

Watching 4K (for me) is a big deal, whether it's just a movie once a week, or some random clips. This is currently the most user friendly (reliable) solution on the market. Random boxes will start popping up, but what kind of long term support and sustainabilty they have remains to be seen. Whereas with the Sony, I know support and growth is on the horizon...
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They are all Sony movies. Take a look at the list and decide, keeping in mind that they will be adding movies over time.

http://nebula.wsimg.com/c78ae10141c0...&alloworigin=1
How does Sony expect this to work long term? I mean, Sony has a big video library and many movies I enjoy, but without other studios involvement this thing will never last.

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Well that, and then you'll be able to participate in this thread as an X-10 owner which is priceless.

Watching 4K (for me) is a big deal, whether it's just a movie once a week, or some random clips. This is currently the most user friendly (reliable) solution on the market. Random boxes will start popping up, but what kind of long term support and sustainabilty they have remains to be see. Whereas with the Sony, I know support and growth is on the horizon...
It's a big deal to me too. I've started watching movies from 5 feet away (on my 65") so I will appreciate the difference in quality. I'm a huge fan of being able to watch content in the best quality available and like you say the excitement of being an early adopter is priceless. I plan to watch about one movie a week, is content is scarce and expensive. But IMO the box will pay for itself in a year if I enjoy 52 movies in that time.
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How does Sony expect this to work long term? I mean, Sony has a big video library and many movies I enjoy, but without other studios involvement this thing will never last.
Long story short,

the 4K industry is still in it flegling stages. These 4K TV manufacturers had to come up with some kind of solution to the 4K media problem short term to market their products. Why should Sony invest the time and money in a 4K media solution for Samsung or Sharp, and vice versa. Things will eventually change, I say right about the time we start seeing 4K disks and more online streaming options...But until then you have to have something available to sell your product...
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Long story short,

the 4K industry is still in it flegling stages. These 4K TV manufacturers had to come up with some kind of solution to the 4K media problem short term to market their products. Why should Sony invest the time and money in a 4K media solution for Samsung or Sharp, and vice versa. Things will eventually change, I say right about the time we start seeing 4K disks and more online streaming options...But until then you have to have something available to sell your product...
I am not suggesting Sony create a media player that works for anyone's TV. I am questioning the lack of Walt Disney, Paramount, Universal, and 20th Century Fox's involvement in providing some level of content to the store. The fact is that over the course of the last year they have not broadened the store content beyond their own. Clock is ticking. They need to get us "hooked" now to make the future 4K BD less of an appealing option.

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I read somewhere that the UV Consortium is developing a standard for 4K.
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I am not suggesting Sony create a media player that works for anyone's TV. I am questioning the lack of Walt Disney, Paramount, Universal, and 20th Century Fox's involvement in providing some level of content to the store. The fact is that over the course of the last year they have not broadened the store content beyond their own. Clock is ticking. They need to get us "hooked" now to make the future 4K BD less of an appealing option.
Another long story short,

All of the entities you've mentioned above are still in discussion regarding "Standards" and of course the biggest issue, how big is each companies slice of the money pie. The "standards" issue should be resolved by year's end (as reported by a few reputable people in the industry), as should the money issues (but that's speculation on my part)... So once a standard is agreed upon, and the financial side is worked out, we'll start seeing some 4K goodness spread around.... So really there's nothing Sony can do short-term, other than put out what source material they have complete control over...

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I read somewhere that the UV Consortium is developing a standard for 4K.
Exactly...
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First impressions:

Much smaller than I was anticipating. I guess coming from an x1, I was expecting a beast. It is actually smaller than my Sony 6200 blue ray player. The remote is an added bonus...a little larger than the smaller remote that comes with the 900a.

As soon as I turned it on, the TV automatically changed to the correct input and there was a software update that took about 10 minutes.

The first thing I did was try to download Elysium, a free movie I got with the x1. To my surprise there was not a download option...just a play option. I hit play and it started to immediately play. No buffer, nothing. Obviously it was still free. It now shows under my videos, but is a stream, not a download.

Next I plugged in a USB drive full of YouTube videos I downloaded. A new menu called video player appears at the bottom of the home page. All of the videos played. I'll keep you posted. Sound is amazing.

Already worth the money
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The long post someone copied from the Sony forum has a lot of misinformation in it, but one piece I can state for certain is that you can in fact change the picture settings while you are using the X10. I think the user in question probably has his scene select set to AUTO. I was able to completely change any of the picture settings I chose, while using the X10.
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First impressions:

Much smaller than I was anticipating. I guess coming from an x1, I was expecting a beast. It is actually smaller than my Sony 6200 blue ray player. The remote is an added bonus...a little larger than the smaller remote that comes with the 900a.

As soon as I turned it on, the TV automatically changed to the correct input and there was a software update that took about 10 minutes.

The first thing I did was try to download Elysium, a free movie I got with the x1. To my surprise there was not a download option...just a play option. I hit play and it started to immediately play. No buffer, nothing. Obviously it was still free. It now shows under my videos, but is a stream, not a download.

Next I plugged in a USB drive full of YouTube videos I downloaded. A new menu called video player appears at the bottom of the home page. All of the videos played. I'll keep you posted. Sound is amazing.

Already worth the money
Getting more exiting...I'm jealous of you guys.

Great to be able to just stream what you own/rent rather than having to d/l first.

I assume the YouTube videos are not 4k?
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The long post someone copied from the Sony forum has a lot of misinformation in it, but one piece I can state for certain is that you can in fact change the picture settings while you are using the X10. I think the user in question probably has his scene select set to AUTO. I was able to completely change any of the picture settings I chose, while using the X10.

Awesome to know, thanks!

Looking more and more than this is not at all the dud that the X1 was, and is in fact a fine piece of equipment! In new tech the saying is often true that the 2nd time is the charm.
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Getting more exiting...I'm jealous of you guys.

Great to be able to just stream what you own/rent rather than having to d/l first.

I assume the YouTube videos are not 4k?
They are. On your computer download a program called 4kdownloader. It allows you to save YouTube videos in 4k. Put them on a USB and enjoy
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Just downloaded a video clip to test speeds. I am getting 28mbps down...much better than the 8-12 I got on the x1.

Also so many of the videos are streams . There doesn't seem to be any idication as to which are as someone else said. It is nice to run through the 4k clips without having to wait for a download.

Edit: I think I have figured it out. Most of the free content is preloaded, but does not show in your videos until you "fake" Download it. There is 200gb of storage pre-filled

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I am not suggesting Sony create a media player that works for anyone's TV. I am questioning the lack of Walt Disney, Paramount, Universal, and 20th Century Fox's involvement in providing some level of content to the store. The fact is that over the course of the last year they have not broadened the store content beyond their own. Clock is ticking. They need to get us "hooked" now to make the future 4K BD less of an appealing option.
I agree with Tweaker...the other studios are in no hurry to jump on board until the standards issues is resolved. What company wants to produce or manufactuer a product without understanding basic production standards?

Just my opinion...we all signed up to be early adopters...and most of us understood that it would be a long drawn out process regarding the rollout of readily available 4K material.
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I will also add that right now there is a dearth of 4K content on the X10, however having purchased a launch PS4 I am fairly confident there will be regular updates to this device, including the addition of more third party streaming content (amazon, hulu, etc.). I actually called and had a somewhat lengthy chat with a Sony CSR before purchase because I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to have to buy multiple devices just to stream 4K content. I was repeatedly assured that additional services would be making their way to the platform.
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Does anyone else have popping/intemittent sound with the X10? I just received mine today and hooked it up to the 65X900A and the video plays great but the sound always pops. I tried Netflix first and it popped and I figured it had to do with the internet speed but when I tried downloading a video to the hard drive it did the same thing. The picture quality is great and I have no problems there, its just the sound.

BTW, do I need to use the HDMI cable they supply with the unit or will any HDMI cable work?
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