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post #1 of 19 Old 07-31-2014, 08:14 AM - Thread Starter
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Network Audio player Oppo 95 VS Best option under $1500

So I've had my Oppo 95 for a few years and it's use is no only regulated to being a DLNA audio steamer. So I'm thinking maybe it's time to look at a dedicated audio streamer as Ilike the oppo but it has a few quirks.

Things about the Oppo I do not like are

TV is required to be on in order to navigate my DLNA server
Interface is clunky and a little slow
Tagged Audio Meta Data and Cover are is not pulled over


Now the most important thing is sound quality and I'm using the stereo analog audio outputs of the Oppo and Ilike the sound quality of the Oppo but wondering is a dedicated unit could provide better sound quality.

My DLNA setup is I use assett UPNP to transcode all my lossless audio to .wav, and my oppo is picking this up on my Wifi network. This has worked well for the last few years but I want to investigate dedicated solutions. I have alot of 24Bit (^k audio so the player would need to handle that.

So my needs are

1. Better Sound quality than the Oppo
2. Audio file readout on the unit itself so the TV does not need to be on
3. Able to play 24Bit 96K audio
4. I would prefer to have a uni with some sort of oversampling or DSD resampling built in.

If I sold my oppo looks like I could still get 5-600$ for it which is a good value I'd use towards the dedicated audio player.

Any recommendations that fits these needs?
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Anyone? Basically I want a network audio streamer as good or better than an oppo95
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Hi

Most of the latest network audio players rely on handheld device (iPad/tablet/smartphone) rather than built-in display, which of course is also used to control the device (using a UPnP/DLNA control point app).

If you can live with this then the Auralic Aries music streamer at $999 should cover your 1-4 needs (and much more), though you still have to get an external DAC since it doesn't have one built in (has async USB out as well as S/PDIF and you can connect either a DSD or PCM DAC).

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To cover 1., I would go with a dedicated DAC. Then you can play with streamers to your hearts delight, such as the one Cebolla recommends.
2&3 I think Squeezebox Touch would do that and has a very nice interface.
4. I don't know. Beyond my level of technical expertise.
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The Auralic Aries looks interesting thanks for the info, not really interested in a separate DAC, I'd just let my Lexicon Processor handle that then and just use toslink out for it to my lexicon. I would be interested in a DSD dac down the line any recommendations for a good DSD dac that would also convert PCM to DSD for this purpose?

I'll need to wait till they release some windows variant of their remote control software I'm not an apple guy and Have several Win 8 tablets that could easily handle the remote duties of it.

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Yes, of course, no reason why the 'external DAC' can't be the DAC input of kit like your Lexicon Processor - it doesn't have to be a standalone dedicated DAC box.

AFAIK there aren't any standalone DSD DACs that convert PCM to DSD. I know of one relatively expensive ($2k+) device that converts PCM to DSD, but it has no internal DSD DAC. Your cheapest bet is to to find a UPnP/DLNA server that can transcode (convert on the fly while streaming) PCM to DSD, or convert the files manually. It's possible you can use JRiver or Foobar2000 as a PCM to DSD transcoder.

No need to wait for the Windows version of the supplied iPad app (Lightning DS), since the Aries fully supports both standard UPnP/DLNA streaming as well as OpenHome Media (ohMedia), aka UPnP with Linn extensions. So you should be be able to use third party control points like Kinsky, JRiver, Foobar2000 (with the foo_UPnP plugin), etc, to control the streaming of the Aries under Windows. You should even be able to install an Android emulator like BlueStacks on Windows and run the excellent BubbleUPnP controller app.

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Might I suggest a Sonos feeding a high quality DAC?

I am an audiophile and sound quality is very important. Still my best source is my high end CD player or HD Tracks through a PC to my DAC but the Sonos Connect through my DAC is very nice. (I actually listen to it more then anything else) And the UI with any device is the best. Plus you can buy 1 Connect for $350 and have money left to buy a good DAC.

I know the newer Oppo's have the ability to use its DAC with external sources. Not sure about the 95.

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Might I suggest a Sonos feeding a high quality DAC?

I am an audiophile and sound quality is very important. Still my best source is my high end CD player or HD Tracks through a PC to my DAC but the Sonos Connect through my DAC is very nice. (I actually listen to it more then anything else) And the UI with any device is the best. Plus you can buy 1 Connect for $350 and have money left to buy a good DAC.

I know the newer Oppo's have the ability to use its DAC with external sources. Not sure about the 95.

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He said (in requirement 3) that he wants ability to play back 24/96. So, that's not an option.


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Were you wanting multi-channel or stereo only?
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Your oppo 95 has an excellent dac and a app (ios & Android I think it's called media control) that you can control and navigate
to your local and network music files (dlna) from your tablet or smartphone without a TV screen , so keep your oppo and save your money!
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Or sell the Oppo for 600 and buy an Oppo 103 for 499 which will handle DSD and download the media control app.
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Until oppo develops a windows media control app that feature isn't useful to me, I have two win 8 tablets. I was really just wondering if their was a stand alone network player that had better dacs and a better feature set for network audio playing. I've always noticed that dedicated function players tend to out perform a jack of all trade player like the oppo 95.

I know the oppo has good dacs and good audio internals but a dedicated audio player could be better for the same price since it would not have to contain any high end video components


Also the oppo95 is fairly bare bones on the dlna audio side, no cover art, no lyrics or meta data on lossless audio and the navigation requires the tv on and is a little slow and clunky.


If their is nothing better in the dedicated network audio player class I'll stick with it but was curious if people had personal experience with something better.

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Another option is using a PC with pick your choice of software. iTunes, XBMC, Jriver, FooBar 2000. All of which play hires files. I use iTunes and XBMC mostly for this task using an old netbook as the pc platform. I control it via either the iTunes remote or the XBMC remote apps. There are apps for Jriver and FooBar too. Now this requires your DAC has a USB input to use a PC. If so this may be the answer.

The interfaces with iTunes and XBMC are very nice. If you don't use IOS then you will be limited to XBMC for the remote via Andriod. Plus XBMC plays any format where iTunes does not play FLAC. I convert to ALAC for iTunes with DBPoweramp when needed.

For the pc platform you can use a laptop as I did or look at an Intel NUC. You don't need much horsepower so the Celeron would be fine.

It is interesting that there are so few good options for streaming HiDef music. But the pc approach is most flexible and with the vast number of players (like 5) you have lots of choice.

I agree with others that the Oppo UI is not great. And since you already have the DAC that negates the big benefit in the Oppos.

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Mac mini running whatever server software works for you that has an app that works for you. Convert the wav files to flac/alac/aiff or others that support much more robust tagging. Set mac mini to sleep never and your done. The mac mini is dead silent and uses very little power.

I think bob silver's original Sonos suggestion would be best but alas it lacks hi rez support as has been mentioned.

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Mac mini running whatever server software works for you that has an app that works for you. Convert the wav files to flac/alac/aiff or others that support much more robust tagging. Set mac mini to sleep never and your done. The mac mini is dead silent and uses very little power.

I think bob silver's original Sonos suggestion would be best but alas it lacks hi rez support as has been mentioned.
Yes the Sonos is sure nice and easy. Plus it sounds really good. When I want to tweak out I listen to the pc with a 24/96 or 24/192 file. Even with the resolution it still comes down to the recording. So few sound better then the cd or even music that I stream from Beats or flac files that Sonos can play. Plus the integration Sonos brings to my music library and all my services is extremely valuable. Since I can listen to Pandora. Hear something new and do an immediate search on Beats and add it to my library within in seconds. That is really powerful. Again when I want the hires I just switch to the pc. Not a bad solution.


The NUC is dead silent too and is a third the cost of the mini as well as the size of an Apple TV. Again I am using an old Asus eee netbook with Atom processor and its fine. Its nice having the keyboard and display if I need to tweak the pc.

So at this time I think it remains an "and" proposition. Seems no perfect device exists.

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Things about the Oppo I do not like are

TV is required to be on in order to navigate my DLNA server
Interface is clunky and a little slow
Tagged Audio Meta Data and Cover are is not pulled over
I'm using my Panasonic DMP-BTD500 as a streamer for now. To get around the above
(1) I have a macro on my universal remote to get the player into the right setting (DMR, basically)
(2) I use BubbleUPNP on a retired touchscreen phone (android). It has a nice interface and shows the art and other metadata.

Assuming the above works for you then for "better than Oppo" sound you could buy a really! nice DAC and feed it from the Oppo.
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Honestly I'm ok with the oppo as is and am using the analog outs from it into my lexicon pre/pro it sounds good but I figured a dedicated audio device may be built for better sound. I don't want to complicate things any I just want a stand alone dedicated network player that has a better interface and maybe better higher end dacs.


If their is no such thing as a dedicated network player that bests the oppo in interface and sound quality Ill just stick with the oppo.
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If their is no such thing as a dedicated network player that bests the oppo in interface and sound quality Ill just stick with the oppo.
Yeah, I've been researching this for the last week with a similar objective. These things are crazy expensive for what they are.

Have you seen Cyrus's line of network players and dacs? That makes the space a little overcomplicated.
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I gave up on the BDP-95 for music. I moved back to my Slimdevices Transporter and eventually to a Squeezebox Touch with EDO firmware outputting via USB to an external DAC. IMHO, LMS is still the best interface for playing music.

I'm not sure about all your high res requirements, but I'm sure the above would meet some of them.
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