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advice with network streaming.

long story short, i have 4 tvs, soon to be 5, in my house. one of which is outside in the garage. i have an apple time capusle, 3 4 tb? 2 ps3s, 1 xbox 360, hk avr 3700, hk avr1710, hk avr354, 1 htpc, and another computer that i can whip together. what i am looking to do, is make all my media available on the network and be able to stream to multiple displays without having to build 5 different computers. i have been looking around and cant even seem to find where to start! in the living room is the htpc, time capsule, ps3, xbox, and avr3700, the bedroom is avr 1710, the garage has a ps3, and avr354. i was kinda planning on the small computer in the garage as well. i do have wireless n, so i am hoping it will have the bandwith to stream multiple shows at once?

sorry for the noob questions, but i appriciate the help.

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Sorry, I can't quite tell - where is your media now?

The general recommendation on video streaming is that wired is much better than wireless. I'd look to establish wired connections wherever possible.
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Sorry, I can't quite tell - where is your media now?

The general recommendation on video streaming is that wired is much better than wireless. I'd look to establish wired connections wherever possible.
Well, all my media is on the htpc. I can wire it and everything else at the living room tv very easily. I can't in the bedrooms or garage. I can put some of my media on the apple time capsule. But I'm not sure that just anything can see its data.
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long story short, i have 4 tvs, soon to be 5, in my house. one of which is outside in the garage. i have an apple time capusle, 3 4 tb? 2 ps3s, 1 xbox 360, hk avr 3700, hk avr1710, hk avr354, 1 htpc, and another computer that i can whip together. what i am looking to do, is make all my media available on the network and be able to stream to multiple displays without having to build 5 different computers. i have been looking around and cant even seem to find where to start! in the living room is the htpc, time capsule, ps3, xbox, and avr3700, the bedroom is avr 1710, the garage has a ps3, and avr354. i was kinda planning on the small computer in the garage as well. i do have wireless n, so i am hoping it will have the bandwith to stream multiple shows at once?

sorry for the noob questions, but i appriciate the help.
You want to set up your network well.

It's not as much how many devices you have on the network (although there is overhead), but how many are active and how good the paths to it are.

Some things you can avoid, like writing large files to your NAS when you are streaming a movie from it. But for overall good streaming from both your local area network and from the internet, you want your network optimized.

First you want a good router. That's your choke point or your best asset. There are many n routers out there, some are better, some are worse. I chose a Asus RT N66U for its specifications, but will probably upgrade in a year or so as new models improve on it. For about 100, this is a definite bang / buck improvement.

I have many devices also, so I bought two switches to handle my living room and bedroom( 5 port TP Link switch ).

I've chosen to wire my connections as much as possible, but I really had little problem with wireless streaming. Wired is much more reliable and if / when AV components step up to 1Gbit networking, the connections will be there (most if not all components are 100 Mbit).

So for both wireless and wired, the above worked for me.
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So, effectively, you want your HTPC to be a media player (for the TV it sits on), and a media server (for the other TVs in your house). That will work - but yes, get it hard wired.

Where you want to take this now is:
  • What device do I want to have connected to my other TVs to act as a media player?
  • What software do I need to run on my HTPC to turn it into a media server for other TVs?

Personally, I use Plex on my media server and the Plex channel on my Roku box or smart TV. Other just use a WDTV which can access the media files directly over your network. There are lots of options, other will chime in.
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You'll find, by the way, that your PS3s and XBOX360 are potential but very limited media players. They can only work with very limited file types. Search the forums here for "ps3 streaming" or "ps3 streamer" or "ps3 media player" or "ps3 media server". Or substitute xbox for ps3.

In addition, you'll want to look a true media players or streamers like Dune, Popcorn Hour, Mede8tor, Roku, etc. They can fulfill the role of a PC attached to each TV, but you need to look carefully at their capabilities relative to your media library. Your HTPC is highly versatile, and these devices are less so.

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So, effectively, you want your HTPC to be a media player (for the TV it sits on), and a media server (for the other TVs in your house). That will work - but yes, get it hard wired.

Where you want to take this now is:
  • What device do I want to have connected to my other TVs to act as a media player?
  • What software do I need to run on my HTPC to turn it into a media server for other TVs?

Personally, I use Plex on my media server and the Plex channel on my Roku box or smart TV. Other just use a WDTV which can access the media files directly over your network. There are lots of options, other will chime in.
You hit the nail on the head. I was also thinking about possibly making a small media server, Low power, just barebones to host files. My htpc is 4k compatible so it takes a little juice running all day. I didn't know roku and wdtv would access files shared on network?!

** edit: will they play nicely with avr's and surround sound?

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You want to set up your network well.

First you want a good router.
Is the apple time capsule not a good router? It had awesome range as I can pick it up from a good bit down the road. It's wireless n as well.
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You'll find, by the way, that your PS3s and XBOX360 are potential but very limited media players. They can only work with very limited file types. Search the forums here for "ps3 streaming" or "ps3 streamer" or "ps3 media player" or "ps3 media server". Or substitute xbox for ps3.

In addition, you'll want to look a true media players or streamers like Dune, Popcorn Hour, Mede8tor, Roku, etc. They can fulfill the role of a PC attached to each TV, but you need to look carefully at their capabilities relative to your media library. Your HTPC is highly versatile, and these devices are less so.
Which of these is the most effective while not breaking me at the same time? Yeah, I knew both the gaming systems aren't good streamers, I just wanted yall to know what I had running.
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so i have decided to wire up my house, the garage will still be wireless as it is detached. the bedrooms will all have a lan cable run to it. i ordered 1000 feet of wire and a crimper. its quite amazing to see how cheap this stuff has become!

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Is the apple time capsule not a good router? It had awesome range as I can pick it up from a good bit down the road. It's wireless n as well.
The Time Capsule is a very good router.

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I didn't know roku and wdtv would access files shared on network?!
If the files/drives are shared and proper permissions are granted then all files/drives on the network are available for playback on any machine.

My main tower contains most of my data drives and movies but I also have usb drives and such spread around the network (internal drive in my med800x3d streamer). My wdtv downstairs for example can access all drives including the usb and internal drives on the streamers upstairs as well as the main tower.
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Is the apple time capsule not a good router? It had awesome range as I can pick it up from a good bit down the road. It's wireless n as well.
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The Time Capsule is a very good router.

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It's a good router, but targeted mostly at backup and file transfer (and mostly for Apple computers). For media streaming, some features are missing that can optimize media file transfer. QOS management is missing, for example, and media files stored on the internal drive are not available for streaming. Also hard drives attached to it can't be used for media storage.

If you buy a NAS drive that can be used fully, but a cheaper router combined with a NAS could give you more media capabilities.

As it is though, it is a good, fast router and since you already have it, it should perform well.
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It's a good router, but targeted mostly at backup and file transfer (and mostly for Apple computers). For media streaming, some features are missing that can optimize media file transfer. QOS management is missing, for example, and media files stored on the internal drive are not available for streaming. Also hard drives attached to it can't be used for media storage.

If you buy a NAS drive that can be used fully, but a cheaper router combined with a NAS could give you more media capabilities.

As it is though, it is a good, fast router and since you already have it, it should perform well.
so here are my thoughts now. i will connect all the stuff in the livingroom hardwired. then i really like the idea of having network attached storage, as it removes the need for a more power hungry server(i try to be energy efficent and i hate the added heat as well) ill keep the time capsule for my internet connection, add another nas router and some external storage to use to stream to the bedrooms and the garage. then ill have full speed internet, and full speed media even if multiple connections are made. does this make sense or am i retarded?

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The only thing I would advise against is getting yourself into a position where you have to do a lot of transferring to network drives. Even with a fast network it takes forever to transfer full bd rips. I have hot swappable sata bays on my main computer so I fill the drive there and THEN move the drives out to the network. My main workstation is networked also so I can still view from the swappable bays)




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so here are my thoughts now. i will connect all the stuff in the livingroom hardwired. then i really like the idea of having network attached storage, as it removes the need for a more power hungry server(i try to be energy efficent and i hate the added heat as well) ill keep the time capsule for my internet connection, add another nas router and some external storage to use to stream to the bedrooms and the garage. then ill have full speed internet, and full speed media even if multiple connections are made. does this make sense or am i retarded?
I doubt you need another router. While there's something to be said for attaching a USB HD to your router for network attached storage, it's a pretty limiting situation - make sure that's all you need if you go that route. It's possible to buy/build a dedicated very low power NAS where the drives are spun down most of the time. You'll want to consider what work you want the NAS to do, though. If you want it to do trancoding to support lightweight media devices (Roku, mobile devices) you'll need a little more CPU horsepower.
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so here are my thoughts now. i will connect all the stuff in the livingroom hardwired. then i really like the idea of having network attached storage, as it removes the need for a more power hungry server(i try to be energy efficent and i hate the added heat as well) ill keep the time capsule for my internet connection, add another nas router and some external storage to use to stream to the bedrooms and the garage. then ill have full speed internet, and full speed media even if multiple connections are made. does this make sense or am i retarded?
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I doubt you need another router. While there's something to be said for attaching a USB HD to your router for network attached storage, it's a pretty limiting situation - make sure that's all you need if you go that route. It's possible to buy/build a dedicated very low power NAS where the drives are spun down most of the time. You'll want to consider what work you want the NAS to do, though. If you want it to do trancoding to support lightweight media devices (Roku, mobile devices) you'll need a little more CPU horsepower.
Agreed. You don't need another router. Try out your current router, it should perform pretty well. If you need more hard wired connections, get a passive switch like the TP Links (don't need any expensive ones). If you're not getting enough wireless coverage, then you can buy a wireless access point to enhance the signal to that area.

I don't have an HTPC so my storage needs are filled by a NAS. Since I have an Oppo 103D, don't need no stinkin' transcoding.

When I copy something big to my NAS, it's a set and forget thing - 20G is copied over in about 25 minutes, so I just work the time in.

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