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I'll have to experiment with this soon. I distinctly remember gapless working when using the desktop Tidal client, and very occasionally working using the web client as well. The only place it doesn't work at all is when I use Bubble uPnP, but that's a fault in that software, not the Tidal service.

I've slept since then, so I could be mis-remembering.
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I don't understand what is meant by gapless playback. Honestly.

When I play any album on my turntable, play a CD, or stream an album on Tidal HiFi there is a brief pause between songs and that's how it's always been. Exceptions throughout the years have been there, such as on Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon or some Led Zeppelin albums there are some songs that go "gapless" from one into the other. It's the radio folks who blend one into the other, and I don't always like to miss the very start of very end of certain songs. Radio stations loathe "dead air" so they do it.

I don't feel a need for it. Apparently I'm alone in that?
You've actually identified what is meant by gapless playback, in those "exceptions" you've mentioned. Gapless playback support is required (for those of us that are bothered by the 'artificial' gap that gets inserted by the audio file player when gapless playback isn't supported) precisely for those albums that were originally created with, as you say, "some songs that go gapless from one into the other".

Gapless playback support has nothing to do 'blending' as with what happens on radio, ie, taking away a gap between tracks that wasn't there originally.
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That article was written a while ago. They could have implemented it by now. I however don't have a clue. So I will just shut up now.

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That article was written a while ago. They could have implemented it by now. I however don't have a clue. So I will just shut up now.

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If you are speaking to me, the link I provided was from the current Tidal "Coming Soon" page.

and I can tell you it did not play gapless for me yesterday nor could I find any gapless feature.

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If you are speaking to me, the link I provided was from the current Tidal "Coming Soon" page.

and I can tell you it did not play gapless for me yesterday nor could I find any gapless feature.
once gapless is implemented: is it typically automatic or a menu setting?

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If you are speaking to me, the link I provided was from the current Tidal "Coming Soon" page.

and I can tell you it did not play gapless for me yesterday nor could I find any gapless feature.
It might depend on what software you are using to access TIDAL and also possibly the hardware (especially if it's a streamer).

Certainly the official current Windows version of the TIDAL desktop app ((HiFi account) plays gaplessly (no need for special settings as gapless is automatic). I also use both the BubbleUPnP Android app and the BubbleUPnP Server (on the computer) which give access to TIDAL HiFi for UPnP/DLNA streamers and that is gapless too, BUT the UPnP/DLNA streamer also needs to support gapless playback.

What software are you using to access TIDAL with & what hardware are you playing it on?

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I've been mostly listening to the gapless playback of the exhaust notes on my motorcycle. This stuff is "taking a backseat" to that until the next winter hits because my son started riding.
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If you are speaking to me, the link I provided was from the current Tidal "Coming Soon" page.

and I can tell you it did not play gapless for me yesterday nor could I find any gapless feature.
The link you provided has a date of 12/26/2016. I just thought that maybe if someone was playing gapless that the page hadn't been updated recently.



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I get gapless when I'm using the Tidal Mac client as long as the connection is good. The web client will very occasionally manage gapless, but most of the time I have to manually kick the thing from one track to the next. My BubbleuPnP claims to support it but never has to my Pioneer receiver. The developer claims this is due to poor implementations (I haven't registered it as a bug, I probably should.)
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I'll have to experiment with this soon. I distinctly remember gapless working when using the desktop Tidal client, and very occasionally working using the web client as well. The only place it doesn't work at all is when I use Bubble uPnP, but that's a fault in that software, not the Tidal service.

I've slept since then, so I could be mis-remembering.
So it looks like the Mac version of the TIDAL Desktop app plays gaplessly as well as the Windows version.

The Android BubbleUPnP controller app definitely supports gapless playback, including streaming audio file tracks from its TIDAL connection. In common with other UPnP controllers that support the standard UPnP gapless playback mechanism (not all UPnP controller apps do), the BubbleUPnP Android app issues a SetNextAVTransportURI UPnP event to the UPnP/DLNA streamer at the appropriate time, to get the streamer to cue the next audio file track in order to implement gapless, but only if the streamer supports the SetNextAVTransportURI event.

Your UPnP/DLNA supporting Pioneer receiver most likely doesn't support the SetNextAVTransportURI UPnP event and therefore cannot play gaplessly when controlled by a gapless supporting UPnP controller like the BubbleUPnP Anroid app. So definitely not a fault in the BubbleUPnP Android app software and you should certainly report the issue to Pioneer.

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Your UPnP/DLNA supporting Pioneer receiver most likely doesn't support the SetNextAVTransportURI UPnP event and therefore cannot play gaplessly when controlled by a gapless supporting UPnP controller like the BubbleUPnP Anroid app. So definitely not a fault in the BubbleUPnP Android app software and you should certainly report the issue to Pioneer.
I guess it's possible. However, gapless playback is a specific feature of my current receiver, and it works just fine when I use its native client to stream from my local DLNA server. My previous Pioneer, which explicitly did NOT support gapless, would not play gapless even from the local DLNA server. That's why I think the trail starts with BubbleUPnP instead of Pioneer.

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Not really, since with its own remote control app you are operating the Pioneer streamer in 'pull' file mode, ie, the receiver is the master device and knows exactly what the actual complete music file track playlist is (since you've used the receiver's own functions to build the playlist). So the receiver can use its own internal (non-UPnP) mechanism to control gapless playback, as it already knows what file tracks to cue next.

When you use the receiver with a UPnP/DLNA controller app, you are operating it in 'push' file mode, ie, the receiver is the slave device, has no idea what the playlist is and is simply being told what music file track to play next at the appropriate time by the UPnP controller master device.

So your Pioneer receiver's so called gapless playback support will never work with a UPnP/DLNA controller app if it doesn't support the SetNextAVTransportURI UPnP event.

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So your Pioneer receiver's so called gapless playback support will never work with a UPnP/DLNA controller app if it doesn't support the SetNextAVTransportURI UPnP event.
Well that's disappointing. Ever experiment with Bubble's ability to cast to a Fire TV appliance? I've noticed mine on the list of targets for awhile, never thought to try it before.

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Certainly the official current Windows version of the TIDAL desktop app ((HiFi account) plays gaplessly (no need for special settings as gapless is automatic).
I'll test it. Thanks for the info.

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Attention fellow MQA enthusiasts using Bluesound

Please see this post in the Bluesound forums, where I requested features to better discover and identify MQA music using their app: https://helpdesk.bluesound.com/discu...ca0df4d3183a51 . Please add your thoughts there and encourage the development of such features. Thanks!
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So I did some tinkering with Bubble uPnP controller and my Kindle Fire TV. Streaming straight via its native Fire TV support (I forget what it's called), I still got gaps. I tried to be clever and installed Kodi, a well-known media center software package. In spite of seeing quite a few message board posts that claim it supports gapless, I still got gaps.

For those without a scorecard, what I'm trying to do is stream from Bubble uPnP's native Tidal client to a DLNA player connected to my receiver (so far I've tried the native client on the receiver and the Kodi client side-loaded onto the Kindle Fire TV) and get gapless playback.

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Please see this post in the Bluesound forums, where I requested features to better discover and identify MQA music using their app: https://helpdesk.bluesound.com/discu...ca0df4d3183a51 . Please add your thoughts there and encourage the development of such features. Thanks!
Just want to let you know I'm in agreement and have posted my thoughts to the link. By the way, your post was well stated.👍🏾

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Just want to let you know I'm in agreement and have posted my thoughts to the link. By the way, your post was well stated.👍🏾
Great, thank you for contributing to that post. I'd encourage other Bluesound users who are fans of MQA to do the same.
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It might depend on what software you are using to access TIDAL and also possibly the hardware (especially if it's a streamer).

Certainly the official current Windows version of the TIDAL desktop app ((HiFi account) plays gaplessly (no need for special settings as gapless is automatic). I also use both the BubbleUPnP Android app and the BubbleUPnP Server (on the computer) which give access to TIDAL HiFi for UPnP/DLNA streamers and that is gapless too, BUT the UPnP/DLNA streamer also needs to support gapless playback.

What software are you using to access TIDAL with & what hardware are you playing it on?
It works!

But I can't use the remote app, I have to use, as you said, the Tidal desktop app for Windows and send the digital signal to my Dac.
So obviously it is limited to the system with the laptop.
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Great, thank you for contributing to that post. I'd encourage other Bluesound users who are fans of MQA to do the same.
I have two things to say about Bluesound:
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So I do believe at some point MQA titles will get better with their UI.
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I'll say one more thing about them: Great DAC.

I was at my dealer (NAD/Bluesound/PSB, etc.) today and was listening to a pair of Aerial Acoustics 6T speakers, Yamaha A-S1100 integrated, fed by a Bluesound Node 2 running Tidal MQA. WOW. Sounded great!

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MQA Playlists

I received an email from Tidal a couple of days ago. They have added curated MQA playlists!!!! They say that discovery has also been improved. The jury is still out on the discovery part. I'll have to look a little further into it to see how discovery was improved.....Okay, upon further review MQA's are now in alphabetical order according to Artist names. Thank you Tidal.
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I didn't realize the MQA list was alphabetic because the latest added MQA's are listed first, then the alphabetical organization starts.

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Interesting conversation going about the MQA tracks. I too have been frustrated trying to figure out what is new.

The purpose of my post here though is to ask if anyone else has had the Xbox one tidal app affected by the most recent Xbox update. Ever since Microsoft rolled out their latest patch, Tidal is a no go. Bummer too since I really liked that interface. I hope the developer has a solution soon.

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I received an email from Tidal a couple of days ago. They have added curated MQA playlists!!!! They say that discovery has also been improved. The jury is still out on the discovery part. I'll have to look a little further into it to see how discovery was improved.....Okay, upon further review MQA's are now in alphabetical order according to Artist names. Thank you Tidal.
Great to hear it! Where are the curated MQA playlists? I've looked all over the Tidal iOS app and don't see it on the home page, what's new page or under the Playlist section.

Also what have they don't specifically to improve discovery? I don't see any differences.
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I received an email from Tidal a couple of days ago. They have added curated MQA playlists!!!! They say that discovery has also been improved. The jury is still out on the discovery part. I'll have to look a little further into it to see how discovery was improved.....Okay, upon further review MQA's are now in alphabetical order according to Artist names. Thank you Tidal.
Great to hear it! Where are the curated MQA playlists? I've looked all over the Tidal iOS app and don't see it on the home page, what's new page or under the Playlist section.

Also what have they don't specifically to improve discovery? I don't see any differences.
I was using the Mac desktop app for Tidal. Under playlist there is now a masters link just like the one they have for what's new. Haven't checked my iPad or iPhone app yet.
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Need help; my 2nd month using & first month paying for the Tidal masters series

I'm using the latest Tidal PC App using a Dell Laptop E5540 to stream via HDMI Cable to my almost new Yamaha TSR-5810.

My settings in Tidal are set to steam at Hi-Fi/Masters. Yet when i stream masters recordings, sampling rate is still only 48kHz as displayed by my Yammy AVR. My laptop has Windows 10. What can I do to elevate the sampling up to the advertised rate of minimum 96kHz?? thanks a lot
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Need help; my 2nd month using & first month paying for the Tidal masters series

I'm using the latest Tidal PC App using a Dell Laptop E5540 to stream via HDMI Cable to my almost new Yamaha TSR-5810.

My settings in Tidal are set to steam at Hi-Fi/Masters. Yet when i stream masters recordings, sampling rate is still only 48kHz as displayed by my Yammy AVR. My laptop has Windows 10. What can I do to elevate the sampling up to the advertised rate of minimum 96kHz?? thanks a lot
Have you tried using the 3.5mm analog out from your PC rather than HDMI? Use a 3.5mm-to-RCA cord and input to an analog input on the receiver.

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I have not Ken, but thanks for reply. I am using HDMI cable so rather not go the 3.5mm route but good news!!


I discovered there are various sampling rates in Windows 10, my Dell laptop was set for CD default at 44.1kHz; I selected the highest possible choice which is 24 bit/192 Hz and now the Masters albums are sampling at 96kHz or 192 kHz and sound great

I found the setting by right clicking my speaker icon in lower tray & then selected current playback device my Yamaha AVR. Then right clicked that and got into properties & then advance settings. there you can change the sampling rate sent to your playback device.

Hopefully this will help others who may search for an answer
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Is the debate over MQA finally settled?
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Is the debate over MQA finally settled?
I don't think it will ever be settled but Kal Rubinson, Stereophile magazine, did some reviews of MQA and related gear recently you might check out

my own opinion is when I have two tracks of the same song, and one is MQA, I prefer listening to the MQA track
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