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The real question for me is whether or not the Apple TV can process lossless audio for plex.
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So...no?

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So...no?
Sorry, i meant to add that it looks like No.
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The real question for me is whether or not the Apple TV can process lossless audio for plex.


ATV 4K won’t support Dolby Atmos to its a deal breaker for me. Good video support, but lost it in the audio support. I’ll stay with the shield.


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ATV 4K won’t support Dolby Atmos to its a deal breaker for me. Good video support, but lost it in the audio support. I’ll stay with the shield.


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LOL oh Apple, save that for the next revision and then call it revolutionary. Cross it off my list then.
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ATV 4K won’t support Dolby Atmos to its a deal breaker for me.


The new Apple TV does support Atmos via DD+...


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The new Apple TV does support Atmos via DD+...


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I really doubt they will be able to do that with Plex. They want to sell the best quality through their store.


That's just costing them business. I'll never buy one when the Shield will do that. I'm a Apple guy too and I make plenty of digital purchases (not from Apple) but, I still want to be able to play my physical media at full audio resolution. Oh well.


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Where are you getting that information? Personally, I doubt that for several reasons.

The ATV 4k supports EAC-3....


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No it doesn’t. Only MultiPCM. No bitstream.


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No it doesn’t. Only MultiPCM. No bitstream.

That is how it works as of today yes....
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That is how it works as of today yes....


Ok. Please order one and let us know if it bitstreams Dolby Atmos when you receive next weekend. If it does, great I’ll be all over it. If not then you saved me from returning it

And just to clarify this direct from my contact.

Apple TV includes a built-in decoder for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio. This means that the Apple TV is able to decode Dolby audio rather than simply pass the compressed bitstream to another device (such as an audio/video receiver [AVR] or a sound bar). Decoding the audio inside of the Apple TV enables Apple to support several features such as mixing of other sounds from the system, Siri voice input, and so on.

When a user plays media with stereo or multichannel audio (including Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio), the audio soundtrack is decoded to two or more PCM channels (uncompressed digital audio) before it is sent to the AVR or other downstream device.

It is important to keep in mind that while the Apple TV supports Dolby Digital Plus, this does not mean the Apple TV is necessarily sending a Dolby Digital Plus bitstream over its HDMI output. After it decodes the Dolby audio, the Apple TV sends the audio to your receiver via HDMI; how it sends the audio depends on the Apple TV settings as well as the capabilities of your HDMI-connected device.


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Ok. Please order one and let us know if it bitstreams Dolby Atmos when you receive next weekend. If it does, great I’ll be all over it. If not then you saved me from returning it

And just to clarify this direct from my contact at Apple

It is important to keep in mind that while the Apple TV supports Dolby Digital Plus, this does not mean the Apple TV is necessarily sending a Dolby Digital Plus bitstream over its HDMI output. After it decodes the Dolby audio, the Apple TV sends the audio to your receiver via HDMI; how it sends the audio depends on the Apple TV settings as well as the capabilities of your HDMI-connected device.

I understand all of this..

Don't buy one next week if that's important to you right now..
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Do you have the Harmony Hub? If so you can simply link it directly to the Shield using Bluetooth. I do it that way and it is working perfectly.
I have the Harmony Hub but the problem I see is that the Shield TV does NOT wake up after it goes to sleep. I does once in a while so now I set it that it will NEVER go to sleep.
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Ok. Please order one and let us know if it bitstreams Dolby Atmos when you receive next weekend. If it does, great I’ll be all over it. If not then you saved me from returning it

And just to clarify this direct from my contact.

Apple TV includes a built-in decoder for Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio. This means that the Apple TV is able to decode Dolby audio rather than simply pass the compressed bitstream to another device (such as an audio/video receiver [AVR] or a sound bar). Decoding the audio inside of the Apple TV enables Apple to support several features such as mixing of other sounds from the system, Siri voice input, and so on.

When a user plays media with stereo or multichannel audio (including Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby Digital audio), the audio soundtrack is decoded to two or more PCM channels (uncompressed digital audio) before it is sent to the AVR or other downstream device.

It is important to keep in mind that while the Apple TV supports Dolby Digital Plus, this does not mean the Apple TV is necessarily sending a Dolby Digital Plus bitstream over its HDMI output. After it decodes the Dolby audio, the Apple TV sends the audio to your receiver via HDMI; how it sends the audio depends on the Apple TV settings as well as the capabilities of your HDMI-connected device.


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I have the Harmony Hub but the problem I see is that the Shield TV does NOT wake up after it goes to sleep. I does once in a while so now I set it that it will NEVER go to sleep.
Are you using Bluetooth or a FLIRC between them?

Mine has never had issues to wake up, I do use Bluetooth though.

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Mine has never had issues to wake up, I do use Bluetooth though.
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So did the ATV 4 and it didn't support Atmos... Not to mention Apple would've been all over it in the keynote if it did. I say this as someone who is pre-ordering one tomorrow regardless, but you're going to be sorely disappointed if you're expecting Atmos.

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So did the ATV 4 and it didn't support Atmos... Not to mention Apple would've been all over it in the keynote if it did. I say this as someone who is pre-ordering one tomorrow regardless, but you're going to be sorely disappointed if you're expecting Atmos.
Vudu and Netflix are the only ones with Atmos content (all streaming services are lossy Atmos through DD+). Isn't it up to Vudu/Netflix to add it to each streaming device if the streamer is capable?

For example. Netflix Atmos is only on 2017 LG OLEDs and the top line Xboxes. I know Chromecast Ultra gets me Atmos on Vudu, but it's missing from Netflix on the CC U. That's on Netflix to add it to the CC U.
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Vudu and Netflix are the only ones with Atmos content (all streaming services are lossy Atmos through DD+). Isn't it up to Vudu/Netflix to add it to each streaming device if the streamer is capable?

For example. Netflix Atmos is only on 2017 LG OLEDs and the top line Xboxes. I know Chromecast Ultra gets me Atmos on Vudu, but it's missing from Netflix on the CC U. That's on Netflix to add it to the CC U.
I think the goal here is to run Plex and bitstream Atmos (and DTS-X) from local content. Not to mention TrueHD and DTS-MA.
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How is the picture quality of the Shield compared to other streaming boxes in Plex or Kodi? I have once seen a review and the guy said that the PQ of the shield was inferior to other Android TV boxes.
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I think the goal here is to run Plex and bitstream Atmos (and DTS-X) from local content. Not to mention TrueHD and DTS-MA.

For me at least, if it doesn't bitstream the lossless audio codecs, and it won't run the HDHomeRun View app, then it won't replace a Blu Ray player or a cable box, and it's "just an online streamer" for Netflix and Youtube... at which point, if it's going to live side-by-side on a stand with a cable box and a blu ray player, and just stream online apps, I don't know why you wouldn't just get a Roku or a FireTV for that application.

Shield does all those things. And it has some pretty cool gaming capabilities, too. All for $20 more.

But that's JMO, and YMMV.
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For me at least, if it doesn't bitstream the lossless audio codecs, and it won't run the HDHomeRun View app, then it won't replace a Blu Ray player or a cable box, and it's "just an online streamer" for Netflix and Youtube... at which point, if it's going to live side-by-side on a stand with a cable box and a blu ray player, and just stream online apps, I don't know why you wouldn't just get a Roku or a FireTV for that application.

Shield does all those things. And it has some pretty cool gaming capabilities, too. All for $20 more.

But that's JMO, and YMMV.
You can get HD Audio and a very nice HDHomerun compatible app on ATV by adding apps (Infuse 5 and Channels) but you have to pay for them. The Channels App is actually very nice, especially the guide portion, and pausing live tv is included. You have to buy their DVR portion if you want that even if you already have SDs DVR service. But after buying all that the Shield is then cheaper and far more capable.
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Vudu and Netflix are the only ones with Atmos content (all streaming services are lossy Atmos through DD+). Isn't it up to Vudu/Netflix to add it to each streaming device if the streamer is capable?

For example. Netflix Atmos is only on 2017 LG OLEDs and the top line Xboxes. I know Chromecast Ultra gets me Atmos on Vudu, but it's missing from Netflix on the CC U. That's on Netflix to add it to the CC U.
I can also get Atmos from Netflix on my P series Vizio which is a lot less expensive than the LG OLED TVs.

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Vudu and Netflix are the only ones with Atmos content (all streaming services are lossy Atmos through DD+). Isn't it up to Vudu/Netflix to add it to each streaming device if the streamer is capable?

For example. Netflix Atmos is only on 2017 LG OLEDs and the top line Xboxes. I know Chromecast Ultra gets me Atmos on Vudu, but it's missing from Netflix on the CC U. That's on Netflix to add it to the CC U.


I was specifically pondering plex supporting lossless audio and it probably won't. So far the shield is the only streaming box that does. You can't get Kodi on iOS or Apple TV either as far as I know.

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How is the picture quality of the Shield compared to other streaming boxes in Plex or Kodi? I have once seen a review and the guy said that the PQ of the shield was inferior to other Android TV boxes.
I can't speak for other Android TV boxes, but I can tell you that the Shields PQ is inferior if you use any of the 4K settings and play some non 4K content. This is because the upscaling process blurs the image somehow and dosen't look as sharp as if you select the right resolution matching with content. Another problem is that the colors are wrong. The only option to get rid of it is to choose 1080p/60Hz RGB 8-bit Rec.709 "Full". Don't use "Limited" dynamic range, cause it will give you strange color banding.
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Vudu and Netflix are the only ones with Atmos content (all streaming services are lossy Atmos through DD+). Isn't it up to Vudu/Netflix to add it to each streaming device if the streamer is capable?

For example. Netflix Atmos is only on 2017 LG OLEDs and the top line Xboxes. I know Chromecast Ultra gets me Atmos on Vudu, but it's missing from Netflix on the CC U. That's on Netflix to add it to the CC U.
I can also get Atmos from Netflix on my P series Vizio which is a lot less expensive than the LG OLED TVs.
From your Xbox, right? I didn't mean you had to have both.

"Devices that support Dolby Atmos with Netflix:
Xbox One
Xbox One S
2017 LG OLED TVs"

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I can't speak for other Android TV boxes, but I can tell you that the Shields PQ is inferior if you use any of the 4K settings and play some non 4K content. This is because the upscaling process blurs the image somehow and dosen't look as sharp as if you select the right resolution matching with content. Another problem is that the colors are wrong. The only option to get rid of it is to choose 1080p/60Hz RGB 8-bit Rec.709 "Full". Don't use "Limited" dynamic range, cause it will give you strange color banding.
I don't find anything that you say to be true about the Shield in my opinion. I have absolutely no problems with sharpness/colors..........
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From your Xbox, right? I didn't mean you had to have both.

"Devices that support Dolby Atmos with Netflix:
Xbox One
Xbox One S
2017 LG OLED TVs"

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No, the built-in apps on the Vizio provide Atmos. I'm not a gamer and probably will never buy an Xbox.

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