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How many cord cutters are in here?

I'm not sure where the relevant sub-forum for this question would be, but I'm wondering how many others have done this. We dumped Dish almost a year ago and I have never looked back. It was the greatest phone call of my life and gave me some real satisfaction cancelling that contract. It wasn't about the money though, we bought a Roku and hooked it up to the main TV because we wanted to watch Breaking Bad on Netflix. After that series we started finding other shows and signed up for Hulu and Amazon Prime as well. Eventually we realized that we were never switching the input to Dish anymore so we got rid of it. I'm not a sports fan anymore and news and weather are easier to get on my phone so we now have a Roku on every TV in the house.

Anybody else joining the revolution?

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I cut the cord three years ago. Don't miss it at all.

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Wait a minute. What can you watch on a Roku without an internet connection? Oh snap! Doesn't having the internet typically involve subscribing either through the Cable Company or the Phone company? Sounds to me more like cable shifting and not cutting...
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Yep, ^^ what I was thinking. Or it referred to cable only vs satellite. Or it meant you were going without the internet altogether but then you're here....
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I have cut the cord over 3 years now and use only internet service to stream from Hulu and Netflix.
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Pfft, I ditched cable/satellite TV around 2005. Been so long I'm not even sure of the exact date.
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I think about cutting the cord every now and then, but I watch close to 100 NHL games a year - mostly on my regional Fox Sports Network. And I've gotta watch the Packers. Not sure how I could cut and keep watching the Wild and Packers. And I time shift 90% or more of it with my DVR. So for now DirecTV gets my $81.91 a month.

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I think about cutting the cord every now and then, but I watch close to 100 NHL games a year - mostly on my regional Fox Sports Network. And I've gotta watch the Packers. Not sure how I could cut and keep watching the Wild and Packers. And I time shift 90% or more of it with my DVR. So for now DirecTV gets my $81.91 a month.
SlignTV has a lot of sports included in $20/month and additional sports pack for $5. I'm not a sports fan, so not sure if it'll suit

If it's local won't it be on the local Fox OTA?

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We cut it almost four years ago. We realized we were mostly watching Netflix at the main house, and then at our weekend place, where basic cable was included in our maintenance, we realized that there was usually nothing on that we wanted to watch.
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SlignTV has a lot of sports included in $20/month and additional sports pack for $5. I'm not a sports fan, so not sure if it'll suit

If it's local won't it be on the local Fox OTA?
Thanks for the tip. But no, SlingTV does not carry NFL games or Fox. As for Fox, I am not talking about the local Fox OTA, but the regional Fox Sports Network. - In my case, Fox Sports North. As far as I know, FSN is not available at all without Satellite or Cable.

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I think about cutting the cord every now and then, but I watch close to 100 NHL games a year - mostly on my regional Fox Sports Network. And I've gotta watch the Packers. Not sure how I could cut and keep watching the Wild and Packers. And I time shift 90% or more of it with my DVR. So for now DirecTV gets my $81.91 a month.
my situation is much like yours except I pay about $125 a month for Direct TV

Its would be VERY hard to ween myself from all the live sports and other shows that you cant get elsewhere

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Yea I think live sports are really what's keeping the cable companies viable.
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When the digital changeover happened, I never bothered to get new cable service. So that's what, 6 years? Broadband internet gives me everything I need. Had to tell the cable people to put me on a do not call list a couple years ago because they were calling daily trying to get me into a cable/phone/internet bundle.
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I dont know if you would call it cord cutting but I have Netflix, Hulu and Slingtv (approx. $38) plus $50 for a good internet package.

I guess for that price you can get bundles now from different providers. My preference is however, to not have to worry about installation, paying for DVRs and managing them.

Others for that price prefer to have the whole gamut of 100 plus channels and whatnot.
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Wait a minute. What can you watch on a Roku without an internet connection? Oh snap! Doesn't having the internet typically involve subscribing either through the Cable Company or the Phone company? Sounds to me more like cable shifting and not cutting...
lol in my case I manage a wireless ISP so no cords, well cat-5 from radio to router, but that's it. I also have no data caps and don't pay for it! I've cut as many cords as technically possible at this point.

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I guess cord cutting refers to cable cords and not internet cords, so I would say the term is still kosher.
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I haven't cut anything because I've always been a "cord-never".

However, we recently converted our copper lines to FIOS for phone and Internet service. Point being that with their pricing structure the cost increment to add their basic TV package (150 channels, 30 HD) to the phone/Internet package is only $10/month -- add another $5/month for a cable card for my TiVo.

With that kind of pricing, there is very little incentive to cut anything -- quite the opposite -- if it's that cheap why not just get it. I decided not to get it because I've been content with my OTA content, but it has been bugging me that in a very real sense I am subsidizing the TV package for someone else. Sooner or later, cable will catch up with that pricing model that recognizes that everyone will pay for Internet and make that service the cost leader. Then TV service will be a low-cost add-on and threads like this one will disappear.
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I haven't cut anything because I've always been a "cord-never".

However, we recently converted our copper lines to FIOS for phone and Internet service. Point being that with their pricing structure the cost increment to add their basic TV package (150 channels, 30 HD) to the phone/Internet package is only $10/month -- add another $5/month for a cable card for my TiVo.

With that kind of pricing, there is very little incentive to cut anything -- quite the opposite -- if it's that cheap why not just get it. I decided not to get it because I've been content with my OTA content, but it has been bugging me that in a very real sense I am subsidizing the TV package for someone else. Sooner or later, cable will catch up with that pricing model that recognizes that everyone will pay for Internet and make that service the cost leader. Then TV service will be a low-cost add-on and threads like this one will disappear.
My thought is cable and satellite have waited to long to jump on the bandwagon. They've left a bad taste in everyone's mouths for decades. As many have said already in this forum the ones that haven't cut have thought about it. The wave is already rolling and I don't think they can stop it. I see them going the way of the video rental stores, the music industry, etc. They've sat around too long thinking this was a fad instead of embracing it. Take a look at young people today. Most teenagers and early 20 year old's do not have cable in their homes. My 16 year old didn't even notice we removed his cable box when we sent it back.
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But.... what about local news broadcasts, live sports like NFL games, PGA Tour, etc.

I can't live without that. And if you still have to pay for other TV, Movies, Netflix, etc. Whats the point really? I mean, your still paying to watch TV.

Recently I called Comcast. Threatened them I was leaving because of Internet TV shows. They are despirate right now, because everybody is leaving them. So they increased my channels. Increased my internet speeds, and lowered my bill by $40.

Another issue is the streaming quality of these Internet based TV shows. Still doesn't even compare to the quality you get with cable.

Its all based on your Internet connection. Look I've been on Youtube many many times, and always, always there is some sort of pause while it streams the packets. So annoying. So for me to watch a Netflix movie streamed on the internet, with absolutely no interruptions is what?

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But.... what about local news broadcasts, live sports like NFL games, PGA Tour, etc.

I can't live without that. And if you still have to pay for other TV, Movies, Netflix, etc. Whats the point really? I mean, your still paying to watch TV.

Recently I called Comcast. Threatened them I was leaving because of Internet TV shows. They are despirate right now, because everybody is leaving them. So they increased my channels. Increased my internet speeds, and lowered my bill by $40.

Another issue is the streaming quality of these Internet based TV shows. Still doesn't even compare to the quality you get with cable.

Its all based on your Internet connection. Look I've been on Youtube many many times, and always, always there is some sort of pause while it streams the packets. So annoying. So for me to watch a Netflix movie streamed on the internet, with absolutely no interruptions is what?
If youtube is constantly pausing your internet is too slow. Do you have other options for internet? I'm an I.T. guy and Netflix and youtube will stream HD very well with 3megs or higher. I've got about 40 megs available wirelessly and we stream 4 TVs all night long without issue and looking at my graphs I typically peak at 8megs at my house. When I left Dish my video quality actually improved because there is less compression. And again, for me it's not about saving money. It's about watching what I want when I want. Binge watching is rarely available through sat/cable. If you want locals get an antenna. The antenna will give you better video quality typically than sat/cable because it's not as compressed.

And the fact that your cable company dropped your price confirms what I have said, they are scared! Dish lowered my price 3 times on that phone call to try to keep me. I think they got down to 30/month but I had no use for it.
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I cut the cord when we moved to the Boston area last summer, because we could finally get all the broadcast networks OTA. Before that, I had a really basic cable package with a CableCARD and a Windows Media Center PC for TV viewing. Either way, we have streamed an ever-increasing percentage of our content for years.

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I cut it in Atlanta about a year ago & access HULU+ via SmartHub as well as a ton of other stuff. Extremely happy!!
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Short version:
Last August, I cut the DISH Network cord and kept the DSL cord. The wife an I are just as happy as having it.


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For me, the cost savings was HUGE! I was already paying for internet. We watch mostly local channels. The 3-5 shows that we watch on cable/satellite are available on free Hulu, or we can live without watching them.


I was paying $165/month for DISH (Top 120, 1 DVR and 1 HD box) and DSL (12 down/0.4 up). I also had Netflix. Together I paid $172.99/month.


I dropped DISH and increased my internet speed (24 down/4 up). Now I pay $80/month for internet only. I kept Netflix and added Amazon Prime. Together I now pay $96.24/month. A total savings of 76.75/month in my pocket. I successfully cut my bill down 44%.


I did have to purchase an OTA outdoor antenna and a TV Tuner card for my PC so it can be used as a DVR. In less than 3 months (2.2), the cost of both were already taken care of. Technically I purchased the tuner 4-5 years ago and the antenna about a year ago, but technicalities don't really matter that much when the total cost is covered in such a short time.


My cell phone provider, Verizon Wireless, offers free NFL mobile so I can watch cable NFL games. I do miss out on MLB (but I didn't have Fox Sports in my DISH package), NBA, NASCAR (OTA local for half the season) and Golf (Saturdays and Sundays matter the most anyway). I go to sleep before 10PM anyway and most NBA and MLB games go past that, especially if they are west coast games.




It is true that if you did not pay for internet already, you would not save much if not lose money. It all depends on your current situation as well. To put $76.75 in my pocket, or to put toward any other bill was worth it to me.


I've been toying with the idea of getting an Xbox One and signing up for Sling TV. Yes, I will be back to a subscription, but with the $55/month that I am saving ($76.75-$20 for Sling), the cost of the Xbox will be paid for within 10 months. EPSN and NBA would be covered.

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If youtube is constantly pausing your internet is too slow. Do you have other options for internet? I'm an I.T. guy and Netflix and youtube will stream HD very well with 3megs or higher. I've got about 40 megs available wirelessly and we stream 4 TVs all night long without issue and looking at my graphs I typically peak at 8megs at my house. When I left Dish my video quality actually improved because there is less compression. And again, for me it's not about saving money. It's about watching what I want when I want. Binge watching is rarely available through sat/cable. If you want locals get an antenna. The antenna will give you better video quality typically than sat/cable because it's not as compressed.

And the fact that your cable company dropped your price confirms what I have said, they are scared! Dish lowered my price 3 times on that phone call to try to keep me. I think they got down to 30/month but I had no use for it.
My internet has always been fast and reliable. Went from 20mb to now I have 125mb download speeds. The source servers are usually the issue. Routing issues can occur, ISP BGP routing. All comes into play while streaming movies. Its hard for me to believe you watch all that content over the internet without any pauses at HD resolutions. What about audio? Do you get Dolby 5.1 crystal clear over the internet too?

Antenna for local broadcasts? Come on really? I know they broadcast HD now, but without any interruptions? Hows the audio quality?

Just seems like a hassle. You have to subscribe, then choose your Netflix, or whatever to choose a movie. Once its started, can you quickly change it to another show? I'm a channel flipper, as soon as the commercial comes on, or I get bored of the current show, I flipping onto another show with press of one button on my remote. Doing this with Hulu? Netflix?

Way too much hassle for me, I'll keep paying for my Comcast.

With Xfinktiy On-Demand, I can watch any shows, movies, mustic, whatevery at any time I want. I also recored a lot of shows. Fast forward through the commercials.

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Antenna for local broadcasts? Come on really? I know they broadcast HD now, but without any interruptions? Hows the audio quality?

Antenna looks better than any cable or satellite signal.
They both are compressed signals and don't look as good as an antenna.


Reception depends on the topography of the earth between you and the point from which they broadcast. I only get interruptions on certain channels during certain weather. If it's super windy, my antenna can shake a little and blow trees around to mess with the signal. This is pretty rare for me.


I can't help on the audio quality. I don't pay much attention to it.

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I have a dedicated home theater with 7.1, I only use blurays in there. In the main livingroom and all the bedrooms standard audio is fine. My living room has an in-wall stereo setup with a subwoofer that serves just fine for tv shows. Streaming is a very different way of watching tv. The first couple of weeks were kinda tough because you are learning new habits. Rather than channel surfing you just click on a random show, if you don't like it look for another one. They also give you recommendations for shows based on what you watch. We've found many great shows from the last several years that I never knew existing when I was getting tv the other way.

I work for a medium sized local family owned ISP. We try very hard to keep areas from getting congested by upgrading towers before they need it. I don't have drop outs at home unless our backbone develops a problem which is extremely rare because in most cases the traffic is automatically re-routed through a backup link until issue is resolved with the primary. The larger companies have a harder time maintaining that due to the sheer number of customers at any given sector. You might look for a local WISP in your area. Most WISP's do not data cap and can deliver pretty good service. I have never had a drop out that originated from our upstream fiber.

Here's a graph from my usage last night. This would have been the main living room tv running netflix, my daughter on hulu, and my son on youtube.

It doesn't take much.

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... Its hard for me to believe you watch all that content over the internet without any pauses at HD resolutions. What about audio? Do you get Dolby 5.1 crystal clear over the internet too?

Antenna for local broadcasts? Come on really? I know they broadcast HD now, but without any interruptions? Hows the audio quality?
I had a pause once in the last house when I only had a 6 mbps DSL connection. We were watching Arrested Development on the projector when paused and buffered. Turns out a nephew was downloading something large in another room at the same time. Now, we've got a 50 mbps fiber connection and often have multiple HD streams (and in 5.1 as well) going sans problem.

OTA has had HD and 5.1 for well over a decade now. I've been using OTA for locals since 2003. DirecTV had some nice receivers that integrated OTA into their satellite. Since giving it up, I've got no cable box on any TV for live TV.

I will say that it's a drag not getting games that are only on ESPN, but I'm not spending $100/month just for Monday Night Football.
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As was mentioned further up, if you tell Dish for instance that you are planning on quitting service, they will offer much to keep you. I was paying $90 a month about 7 months ago and told them I was quitting. they cut my bill in half to $45 for 6 months. It just ran out and reading this thread, I just called them back and got them to give me 10 months at 50 bucks. Also for those who don't know take a look on youtube for demos of the little android set top boxes running Kodi and xmbc. I just recently purchased one called the Minix neo 8h plus.

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