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Any whispers of FandangoNow or Hulu getting UHD support on the Chromecast?
FandangoNow? Never saw a response on that and I did send FandangoNow an inquiry on the same question, it might be answered here quicker. Thanks.

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Can the CCU:
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Depends on which app one uses to stream IIRC
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Again, the device I bought was....

Thanks for this, I am now able to use chromecast and have atmo and dolby vision from chromecast!
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FandangoNow? Never saw a response on that and I did send FandangoNow an inquiry on the same question, it might be answered here quicker. Thanks.
Nevermind, I received a response from FandangoNow...first.

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Is there a way to force the resolution to 1080p or 4K@30Hz instead of 60Hz? My Denon X2400H can't overlay its GUI on 4K@60Hz but it can on 1080p or 4K@30Hz and I like the GUI overlay (volume bar, info, ...)
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Is there a way to force the resolution to 1080p or 4K@30Hz instead of 60Hz? My Denon X2400H can't overlay its GUI on 4K@60Hz but it can on 1080p or 4K@30Hz and I like the GUI overlay (volume bar, info, ...)
The Chromecast Ultra does not offer a setting to do that.

The only way that I am aware of would be through the use of one of the HD Fury products, which would cost you more than you spent for the CCU. I don't have first-hand experience with their product lineup but I have heard alot of guys with projectors not capable of 4K@60Hz use this one...

https://www.hdfury.com/product/integ...60-444-600mhz/

Another thing to consider is that some of the content on apps like YouTube is actually recorded at 60 FPS which personally is how I would want to view it!

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Apparently if you don't use its power supply and power it off a USB port I suppose, it nags you and it only does 1080p :-) But then again, I want its wired Ethernet ...

I assume that the CCU upscales all content to 4K@60Hz, no matter what content I play my AVR always shows the HDMI input as 4K@60Hz.
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Apparently if you don't use its power supply and power it off a USB port I suppose, it nags you and it only does 1080p :-) But then again, I want its wired Ethernet ...

I assume that the CCU upscales all content to 4K@60Hz, no matter what content I play my AVR always shows the HDMI input as 4K@60Hz.
I believe it upscales all content to match the maximum resolution your TV supports, thus the reason you can 'fool it' with something like the HD Fury (or presumably by not using the power supply which I have never tried).

Here is a recent post of mine demonstrating that even when an app is sending a 3840 x 2160 @ 24 signal, the Chromecast Ultra is sending out 3840 x 2160 @ 60...

***Official*** Google Chromecast ULTRA owner's thread

Here is another recent post of mine showing the video sending 1280 x 720 @ 24 but again my TV indicates it is receiving a 3840 x 2160 @ 60 signal form the CCU...

***Official*** Google Chromecast ULTRA owner's thread
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Just started casting Star Trek from Netflix on my Ultra from an iOS device and the audio was stereo only. Tried the same show on my TV app and got the expected 5.1. Dolby Vision clicked in on both cases. Must admit I hardly use the Ultra so does it do 5.1 from Netflix.

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Just started casting Star Trek from Netflix on my Ultra from an iOS device and the audio was stereo only. Tried the same show on my TV app and got the expected 5.1. Dolby Vision clicked in on both cases. Must admit I hardly use the Ultra so does it do 5.1 from Netflix.
You don't provide a lot of information, but I'm going to make some guesses. You have the CCU plugged directly into the TV and you're trying to either output the audio from the optical cable out of the TV to your receiver or using HDMI ARC from the TV to the receiver.

If so, see my recent post:
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Just started casting Star Trek from Netflix on my Ultra from an iOS device and the audio was stereo only. Tried the same show on my TV app and got the expected 5.1. Dolby Vision clicked in on both cases. Must admit I hardly use the Ultra so does it do 5.1 from Netflix.
Netflix audio is DD+. I get DD+ when I cast Netflix content to my CCU from my iPhone Netflix app. I also get DD+ when streaming Netflix from the App on my Samsung K8500 UHD disc player.

My Chromecast Ultra is connected to my Denon x4200w AVR then to the display. If you connect your CCU directly to your TV and then use ARC for audio to your AVR, DD+ over ARC may not be supported by your TV and/or AVR.
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Ok thank you both. My TV is connected to the receiver via optical.

I’ve moved the CCU directly to the receiver and now I’m getting DD+. My receiver has not had the DV pass through update yet so I’m just getting HDR on Star Trek but this will be fixed.

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Is there a way to force the resolution to 1080p or 4K@30Hz instead of 60Hz? My Denon X2400H can't overlay its GUI on 4K@60Hz but it can on 1080p or 4K@30Hz and I like the GUI overlay (volume bar, info, ...)
If you turn off Video Smoothing in the settings menu it will force the CCU to use a certain resolution/refresh rate. I can't remember which one right now, but it will tell you.

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I need some help with my CCU dropping video signal.

I have connected by CCU to my Yamaha 3050 AVR and the AVR connects to my Sony HW40ES via a 15M (50 ft) HDMI cable. CCU is connected to the network via Ethernet cable, to a network switch.

Generally the CCU works well, but every 20 min or so the video blacks out for a few seconds and the comes back again. The audio works throughout without any drop.

When I connect my CCU to LG UH8500 TV (wifi 5 ghz), I don't experience any drops.

The CCU is the only device that does this with my AVR and I don't experience any drop outs with any of my other connected devices.

The 3050 4K is on mode 1 (in advanced menu). I tried toggling the 50 hz signal. None of it seems to do the trick.

Please help me fix this problem.
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If you connect your CCU directly to your TV and then use ARC for audio to your AVR, DD+ over ARC may not be supported by your TV and/or AVR.
It's a little more nuanced than that.

I have a LG C6 OLED and a Denon AVR-X2200W. DD+ isn't supported over arc on the TV, but DD5.1 is supported from external sources over ARC. The TV actually understands DD+ over HDMI just fine, it just can't output it over ARC. What it can do though is decode the core DD5.1 track and pass that.

Unfortunately, CC sees that ARC can't do DD+ so it disables it. That causes stuff like netflix to drop down to 2 channel audio as the only 5.1 audio track they have is DD+.

I know this because Roku does the same thing. If you leave it at auto, it sees that ARC can't do DD+ and disables it and you get 2 channel audio. However, with the Roku you can override the output and tell it to output DD+ anyways. When you do that, the TV properly decodes it and sends the core DD 5.1 track over ARC.

So, that's one minor annoyance with the CC Ultra. It would be perfect for me if you could do two things with it.

1) Enable Native framerate output
2) Force audio output type
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I need some help with my CCU dropping video signal.

I have connected by CCU to my Yamaha 3050 AVR and the AVR connects to my Sony HW40ES via a 15M (50 ft) HDMI cable. CCU is connected to the network via Ethernet cable, to a network switch.

Generally the CCU works well, but every 20 min or so the video blacks out for a few seconds and the comes back again. The audio works throughout without any drop.

When I connect my CCU to LG UH8500 TV (wifi 5 ghz), I don't experience any drops.

The CCU is the only device that does this with my AVR and I don't experience any drop outs with any of my other connected devices.

The 3050 4K is on mode 1 (in advanced menu). I tried toggling the 50 hz signal. None of it seems to do the trick.

Please help me fix this problem.
I can tell you why. You are trying to use a 4K device with a 50 FOOT HDMI CABLE.

What, are you doing... tapping into your neighbors equipment?!!

I expect the reason your are having no problems when you plug the CCU into your LG UH8500 is because you are connecting it directly to it.

Although guys have some success with their old High Speed cable, there is a new kid in town called HDMI PREMIUM Certified Cable that contains the following label...



You don’t have to spend a lot of money. Most people are buying MonoPrice HDMI Premium Certified Cables but just make sure it includes the label because not all of their cables do... especially when getting into very long lengths or their regular run of the mill 'high speed' non-certified HDMI cables.

Another recommended manufacturer of certified cables is called Blue Jean Cables but on your best day they only certify their cables up to 15 feet.

You might be saying to yourself, well my existing cable is working with my UHD Blu-ray player. Maybe that is because your BD Player sends out a 4K signal at 24Hz. The CCU sends out a 4K signal at 60Hz which uses way more bandwidth.

When you are getting into super long lengths of HDMI cable you are going to have to do some homework. Here's a start:

HDMI cables that support 4K@60Hz, 4:4:4 chroma, and Deep Color?

You might also want to post in the forum for your projector to see how others are making out.
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So today I wanted to access the Google Home app to check my Chromecast Ultra settings and discovered it now makes you "Sign in" which apparently requires a gmail account.

Here are there latest set of instructions:

Set up your Google Home device

I see they updated the app a week ago to make it "better".

I have never had to have an ID or a gmail account for Google Home to install or access my Chromecast settings so I do find it a little obtrusive asking me to register now.

Bastards!


Edit

At first I thought, nah, Google wouldn't make us have to have a sign up for an ID just to use the Google Home app but here is one of the first reviews of the new app...

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by Will199419941994

Really disappointed in the fact that I need to link my gmail with the Google Home app. Unfortunately I had set my phone to auto update all apps and now I am locked out of my Google Home app because I do not want to log in with my gmail account. I believe that Google is doing this so they can learn more about what you are watching and this is yet another way for them to infiltrate your life and learn more about you so you can be bombarded with even more advertisements. This is the end of the line for Google Home on my phone. I would rather use a 3rd party app without having to set up an account and I am saddened by the fact they choose to go this route. I miss the old version where I didnt have to sign in so now auto updating apps is off and I’ll make sure to read the update description before hitting update. Thanks for the lesson Google.

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It's a little more nuanced than that.

I have a LG C6 OLED and a Denon AVR-X2200W. DD+ isn't supported over arc on the TV, but DD5.1 is supported from external sources over ARC. The TV actually understands DD+ over HDMI just fine, it just can't output it over ARC. What it can do though is decode the core DD5.1 track and pass that.

Unfortunately, CC sees that ARC can't do DD+ so it disables it. That causes stuff like netflix to drop down to 2 channel audio as the only 5.1 audio track they have is DD+.

I know this because Roku does the same thing. If you leave it at auto, it sees that ARC can't do DD+ and disables it and you get 2 channel audio. However, with the Roku you can override the output and tell it to output DD+ anyways. When you do that, the TV properly decodes it and sends the core DD 5.1 track over ARC.

So, that's one minor annoyance with the CC Ultra. It would be perfect for me if you could do two things with it.

1) Enable Native framerate output
2) Force audio output type
Yep, that's why i had to buy an external device to fix the audio portion of your equation with my LG B6 OLED. Can't fix the framerate part of it though. But at least I can get DD+ from items going thru my CCU

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I can tell you why. You are trying to use a 4K device with a 50 FOOT HDMI CABLE.

What, are you doing... tapping into your neighbors equipment?!!
I was hoping there is some other solution. Anyway I was going to change the cable if no other way.

I was choosing between a long run for the front three speakers vs long run to the projector. Decided to go with a longer HDMI cable instead of 3 sets of thick speaker cables for the front three speakers.

Having said that, currently my projector is only 1080p. I should be getting only 1080p 50/60 which is quite easy for the cable to handle. I have a set-top box which transmits 1080p50 where I have never had this problem.
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Google Play HDR Casting

Question for you guys. I haven't used Google Play until a couple of days ago when Movies Anywhere merged a bunch of titles into my Google Play library. Since then, I've been trying unsuccessfully to cast HDR from Google Play.

Google's been unable to diagnose why it's not working, so I thought I would float it here to see if anyone's figured it out.

The titles we're testing were sourced from the Google Play store, so it's not a Movies Anywhere import issue.

They are definitely 4K HDR. They show up that way in the store, and Google confirmed on their end.

The Chromecast Ultra has no trouble casting HDR from YouTube and Dolby Vision from Netflix and VUDU.

I'm casting from a Windows 10 PC running the Google Play website on the Chrome browser not an Android/iOS device running the Google Play app.

We can't tell if the Chromecast Ultra is streaming 4K or 2K (because the Chromecast Ultra upscales everything to 4K). We do know it's not HDR. On YouTube, the stream is 4K VP9 as confirmed by Stats for Nerds.

Is anyone else running this casting configuration and getting HDR from Google Play titles?

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I got the Chromecast Ultra so I can stream UHD movies with Dolby Atmos, since my tv doesn't pass-thru Atmos via ARC.
I have Chromecast Ultra connected directly to my Soundbar and it sounds great.


The only issue I have is the Chromecast has much more bass when playing movies. Not sure how this is possible. Are you able to adjust any sound settings on the Chromecast?

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You don't provide a lot of information, but I'm going to make some guesses. You have the CCU plugged directly into the TV and you're trying to either output the audio from the optical cable out of the TV to your receiver or using HDMI ARC from the TV to the receiver.

If so, see my recent post:
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How has your experience been with this? This looks to do the same as the HDfury AVRkey only at 1/3 the cost. Does it remember its EDID settings after a power loss?

Does it pass Youtube HDR ? HLG ?
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How has your experience been with this? This looks to do the same as the HDfury AVRkey only at 1/3 the cost. Does it remember its EDID settings after a power loss?

Does it pass Youtube HDR ? HLG ?
So far it's been ok, but I've only watched one full length movie and some YouTube videos. I think I've seen an HDCP glitch or two. Definitely got HDR from YouTube. Don't think I've tried any HLG stuff though. Also haven't tried a power loss test but it only has one setting for the sound format which is controlled by a single button, so it wouldn't be hard to recover even if the setting was lost

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Ok I finally switched from using the 1st Gen Chromecast to using the CU since I now have a 4K TV (TCL 55US57).

Setup went just fine, quick and simple. I can stream to it, I see the screensaver pic just fine, but the problem that is driving me nuts is the screen is randomly flashing a rainbow looking image on 1/3 of the screen. The sound stays on just fine, but randomly the lower portion of the screen scrambles for a fraction of a second with, for lack of better terms, a rainbow looking image. Kind of like when in the old cable days you'd look at a scrambled channel and your could make out the image but it was all garbly looking.

I tried plugging into my TV's HDMI input and the strange thing with that was whenever I hit the volume up/down button on the remote, the screen would scramble every time. So I plugged the CU into my new A/V 4K receiver (Sony 770) and I still get random garbled image. However when I adjust volume, the image doesn't garble anymore.

I'm at a loss, I've tried changing settings on the Chromecast, but nothing helps. Note that the original Chromecast I had didn't do this at all.

Any thoughts?

Looks like my weird flickering screen is back.

Nothing has changed since I thought I fixed it but last night I went to stream something and noticed that on the CU screensaver screen the bottom half of the screen would flicker and garble up for a fraction of a second. Did it randomly. Same as it did before (with movies and screensaver). I tried rebooting, but nothing fixed it.

Not sure what's up. Like I pointed out earlier, I swapped cables with a brand new HDMI cable and thought I fixed the issue, guess not. And yes it is plugged into a power outlet, not USB. It is connected directly to my new AVR.
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@GordonTV , like @Musician mentioned 9 posts ago, the only way to guarantee full compatibility with the CCU is to use a Premium Certified HDMI cable from your AVR to your display (complete with the holographic sticker on the packaging); anything else wouldn't be certified for the bandwidth requirements of HDMI 2.0+
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I mentioned in a previous post that I switched to this cable, and another poster says it was "certified" and should be more than adequate.

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@GordonTV , I also noticed you had issues going direct into your TV, which would point to either a settings issue in your TV (most TVs have a sort of "HDR switch" setting that allows the higher bandwidth signal), or a hardware issue with either a bad CCU, or worse, your TV
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Not sure what's going on.

TV works perfectly fine with all other sources (both 4K and Blu Ray etc). It's just the CU that has the weird flicker. Like I said earlier, it's odd how it worked fine after the new cable switch, then suddenly it decides to show back up now.

I may tinker with more settings this weekend.

Speaking of settings, for a normal setup like mine, should I turn the CU "50mhz" on or off via the Home (CU) app?
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@GordonTV , that setting is mostly for EU TVs, whereas North American TVs prefer 60Hz
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