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Zappiti 4K HDR (Mini, One, Duo) Thread

Zappiti launched new Players using the latest Realtek (RTD1295) SoC.
  • HDMI 2.0
  • BT.2020
  • HDR (they don't specify it, but I guess only HDR-10
  • Android 6.0
  • Zappiti MagicPixel v2

So far it looks interesting.

Mini: 249€
One: 299€
Duo: 399€

Availability: 2nd of January (at least in Germany via German distributor)

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Pretty interesting. I am about to pre order my Dune HD Duo 4K today, I might get both and compare if someone sells the Zappiti mini 4K in the US.

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Seems like no PGS inside mkv, though:

PGS (BD ISO, BDMV, M2TS)

That's a bummer!

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Seems like no PGS inside mkv, though:

PGS (BD ISO, BDMV, M2TS)

That's a bummer!
Yup. After they ironed out the other issues on the original 4K it became a solid player. Lack of PGS support was a deal killer though. Their latest jukebox on top of a Dune Player would be ideal.

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I wonder how it compares to the zidoo x9s being same chipset. What happened between Dune and Zappitti anyone know why they dont play nice anymore?
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Yup. After they ironed out the other issues on the original 4K it became a solid player. Lack of PGS support was a deal killer though. Their latest jukebox on top of a Dune Player would be ideal.
Agree, that is an absolute deal breaker for me, too.

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I wonder how it compares to the zidoo x9s being same chipset. What happened between Dune and Zappitti anyone know why they dont play nice anymore?
Didn't they just sell rebranded hardware with their own software? I would think that their margins weren't that good.

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The company that wrote the original Zappitti software was just a Dune European distributer. They created the original software to help sell more players. Later they got into a licensing agreement with Dune and Dune sold players with an integrated version of the Zappitti software.

When Dune got out of the player market. The company behind the Zappitti software decided to market their own players using the software. Since it was their first attempt. They had a lot of issues with firmware on their players. It took them almost a year after they released their players before the firmware was relatively stable. So they got a pretty bad rep from the early buyers.

One of their biggest issues was customer service. They didn't like acknowledging issues with their players and they often removed items from their forums where issues were raised. Until sudden those issues were fixed in a new version of firmware.
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The company that wrote the original Zappitti software was just a Dune European distributer. They created the original software to help sell more players. Later they got into a licensing agreement with Dune and Dune sold players with an integrated version of the Zappitti software.

When Dune got out of the player market. The company behind the Zappitti software decided to market their own players using the software. Since it was their first attempt. They had a lot of issues with firmware on their players. It took them almost a year after they released their players before the firmware was relatively stable. So they got a pretty bad rep from the early buyers.

One of their biggest issues was customer service. They didn't like acknowledging issues with their players and they often removed items from their forums where issues were raised. Until sudden those issues were fixed in a new version of firmware.
They didn't just remove issues from their forums, they removed the forums completely.

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The mini is around $248 US shipping included directly from their store. I really want to try this one out, but I had some bad experiences with realtek chip in the past, but that was 10 years ago. I had a popcorn hour and another brand with the same chip died on me within 2 hours from over heating. But they was in a temperature control environment which is always cool. If this can play movies 6 hours straight, I would be happy.

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Finally HMDI 2.0a support and HDR! Been waiting for this. My 4k player still works great but will most likely upgrade to this new one.

I wonder if the Netflix app will allow streaming in HDR, anyone know?
And possible Dolby Vision support?

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Knowing their track records for their previous players launch, I would highly advise anyone that isn't ready to do heavy beta testing to avoid to buy it on day one...
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I heard somewhere that made8er will be coming out with new player with same chipset and with there track record it should be a good one with stable firmware.

I wonder when dune and popcorn will implement the newer sigma processor with hdmi 2.0
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I heard somewhere that made8er will be coming out with new player with same chipset and with there track record it should be a good one with stable firmware.

I wonder when dune and popcorn will implement the newer sigma processor with hdmi 2.0
The Sigma chips are not released yet from SIGMA. Going off the zidoo kodi thread seems there is some stability issues with that chipset but for the most part pretty good feedback.
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Seems like no PGS inside mkv, though:

PGS (BD ISO, BDMV, M2TS)

That's a bummer!
I found they have updated their website regarding PGS support.
Now it says:
PGS (BD ISO, BDMV, M2TS, MKV)

Seems to be an interesting alternative to Popcorn Hour A-500...
What are your thought regarding the picture quality of these two?
Do you know what chroma upscaling method (nearest neighbor?) Zappiti use?
Wonder the Zappiti MagicPixel works in real life? Maybe just marketing...
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That's exactly why I want to test the new Zappiti. In the past Realtek was inferior to Sigma in terms of picture quality. Don't think that it has changed, but this needs testing.
I'm also not sure about their Magic pixel technology since I doubt that Realtek gives this much access to their hardware.
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I found they have updated their website regarding PGS support.
Now it says:
PGS (BD ISO, BDMV, M2TS, MKV)
PGS support is there only if subs are enabled by default. The issue is the the Realtek Chipsets don't support forced subtitles.

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PGS support is there only if subs are enabled by default. The issue is the the Realtek Chipsets don't support forced subtitles.
The new SoC has still no support for that?!
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The new SoC has still no support for that?!
Not that I'm aware of, I had the 4K player and there was no support there.

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Not that I'm aware of, I had the 4K player and there was no support there.
Thanks sharing your experience!
Will try the luck with Popcorn Hour A-500... As I do remember, it will support forced PGS in mkv?

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That's exactly why I want to test the new Zappiti. In the past Realtek was inferior to Sigma in terms of picture quality. Don't think that it has changed, but this needs testing.
I'm also not sure about their Magic pixel technology since I doubt that Realtek gives this much access to their hardware.
Do I take it a review is on the horizon then?

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The issue is the the Realtek Chipsets don't support forced subtitles.
They don`t?
I have the 4k player and i can see forced subtitles in MKV files. This was already discussed in the other Zappiti thread where the question was asked.
Therefore, i assume that the new chipset will have no problems with forced subs either.

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Thanks sharing your experience!
Will try the luck with Popcorn Hour A-500... As I do remember, it will support forced PGS in mkv?
Yes, no problems with pgs and mkv.
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Do I take it a review is on the horizon then?

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Depends on Zappiti. I contacted them already. If they give me one, I will do a review.
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They don`t?
I have the 4k player and i can see forced subtitles in MKV files. This was already discussed in the other Zappiti thread where the question was asked.
Therefore, i assume that the new chipset will have no problems with forced subs either.
They problem is if subs are off by default, if subs are turned on they play fine. Forced subs should play when subs are turned off, the 4K player did not handle this properly. When I inquired with Jaques at Zappitti about any fixes his response was:

"Thanks for your mail
I understand your point, however We do not know the solution
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And I'm aware of the other thread, I'm in it.
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They problem is if subs are off by default, if subs are turned on they play fine. Forced subs should play when subs are turned off, the 4K player did not handle this properly. When I inquired with Jaques at Zappitti about any fixes his response was:

"Thanks for your mail
I understand your point, however We do not know the solution
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And I'm aware of the other thread, I'm in it.
Hi ,
actually PGS subs MKV will play fine with the new 4K HDR since now you can save the default sub and the default language .

We receive them next week so I'll be happy to test it for you!!!

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But there is a difference between the default flag and the forced flag for mkv.
The clean/normal way is to tag forced subtitles with the forced flag and not the default flag. So the player needs to read that flag and not the default flag.

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I am interested in the zappiti duo 4k. This is the one for me. I really like the idea of the dual hdd rack since i mainly use my media player for movies. Just waiting for a US distributor.
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Looks like the new HDR players are getting ready to be shipped out, i got an email today saying they are now in stock and my order status is now "preparation in progress".

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Looks like the new HDR players are getting ready to be shipped out, i got an email today saying they are now in stock and my order status is now "preparation in progress".
Yeah mine is in preparation too so fingers crossed maybe next weekend. I'm in the UK and it ships from France.

First thing I'll be checking is the forced subs.

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Has anyone got their hands on one of these yet? Mine is still on it's way

Initial indications from one U.K. owner on another forum are fairly positive.

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