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Next-Gen Apple TV to Support 4K and HDR

Will Apple finally get on the 4K/HDR bandwagon with the next generation of Apple TV set-top box? An official announcement is expected next month.

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If The ATV 5 actually gets Dolby Vision, maybe it will put a little pressure on Roku to update it's 4K boxes. The ATV 5 may be coming at just the right time, 4k streaming is still in it's infancy.

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This is great news if it is true. I hope they also fix the issue that The current gen 4 has which highly compresses the sound when playing through home theater speakers.
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If this is true this would be awesome.
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If the Vudu and Netflix app gets Dolby Vision with Atmos over DD+ on the Apple TV, I'm in.

At the same time, it's a little embarrassing that their current streamer isn't even 4k. I wouldn't hype a future release at a later date...just announce and release the same day.
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Hopefully ATV 5 will also stream 24hz material in 24hz, not converted automatically to 60hz.
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Awesome news!
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Hopefully ATV 5 will also stream 24hz material in 24hz, not converted automatically to 60hz.
This is apple we are talking about here. Everything will be automatically converted to 60hz. However hopefully one of their developers is an avsforum member.
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What would be awesome is if they could do Lossless audio besides their own file formats.

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What would be awesome is if they could do Lossless audio besides their own file formats.
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I think the addition of 4K/HDR capability is great, but without any type of object oriented sound support this is a non-starter for me. I'll cross my fingers, but Apple will most likely disappoint me.
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Apple are years behind now on just baseline products, I can't believe people still accept this innovation latency as still being "special" because Apple is doing it...

I can't think of a thing Apple is doing today in products that isn't at least 2 years behind someone else.
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I'm ready to just rely on one streamer. Right now our Fire TV is the go-to, but it doesn't support Apple stuff. If an ATV with HDR and 4K can support all of the services I want AND can AirPlay ... it wins in my book.

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Apple are years behind now on just baseline products, I can't believe people still accept this innovation latency as still being "special" because Apple is doing it...

I can't think of a thing Apple is doing today in products that isn't at least 2 years behind someone else.
I can, the UX is leaps and bounds better than any competitor. Just the fact that the buttons on my Harmony control all the apps in the same way is a step above the rest.

I've tried a Roku, Nvidia Shield, FireTV, Xbox One, the apps on my 940E, and a PS4. There's always something just wrong somewhere with the UX that make them unpleasant devices to use.
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Finally! I can have all my content in one (streaming) place and in 4K: Apple/iTunes, Amazon, Netflix, and Vudu, each of which is on or coming soon to ATV. Thank the maker!

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I can, the UX is leaps and bounds better than any competitor. Just the fact that the buttons on my Harmony control all the apps in the same way is a step above the rest.

I've tried a Roku, Nvidia Shield, FireTV, Xbox One, the apps on my 940E, and a PS4. There's always something just wrong somewhere with the UX that make them unpleasant devices to use.
From looking at the UX online, it does not seem to be able to stream 4K content; I don't know about HD audio pass through. I too went with all the options you listed above and eventually steered away from Apple TV because of its' inability to bitstream HD audio to my AVR. I settled on a 2017 shield and am loving the interface and KODI for my movies. It will be interesting to see how Apple plans on handling the licensing for DOLBY as they did not want to deal with it on their ATV4 hence you got DD 5.1 on a DTSHD-MA disk!
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I guess everyone has a different need of a streamer box. For me this is my checklist includes a lot of things that I wont get with ATV other than a nice interface.

My needs include - able to play local network media files of various formats beyond what ATV offers now (such as VOB files, ts or m2tv files, flac files and mkv files as examples). Apple chose to be limited enough to lock people into iTunes.

As for movie/tv show rentals, I do quite well with both Vudu and Amazon offerings. I will say that my past rental/purchases from iTunes sit between Vudu and Amazon (to my eye) in quality and I have no complaint in general about how they looked on my TV.

I will just say I find nothing really exciting when Apple boasts about new features which translates to nothing more than catching up and nothing really innovative. This is not the same Apple of yore. If promotion was honest it might look like this -

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Apple are years behind now on just baseline products, I can't believe people still accept this innovation latency as still being "special" because Apple is doing it...

I can't think of a thing Apple is doing today in products that isn't at least 2 years behind someone else.
Apple goes in when there is money to be made, innovation alone is no guarantee of making money. It's turning into a Samsung and Apple world.

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If the Vudu and Netflix app gets Dolby Vision with Atmos over DD+ on the Apple TV, I'm in.

At the same time, it's a little embarrassing that their current streamer isn't even 4k. I wouldn't hype a future release at a later date...just announce and release the same day.
Most people's internet can't stream 4k, would you market an electric car where there is no place to charge it.
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Apple are years behind now on just baseline products, I can't believe people still accept this innovation latency as still being "special" because Apple is doing it...

I can't think of a thing Apple is doing today in products that isn't at least 2 years behind someone else.
Never thought of TV as being 2 years behind. More like waiting until 4K standards were actually in place.
It was a smart thing to do. How many AVS members got ripped off when AVRs purchased late last year or even this Q1 2017 didn't fully support 4K/HDR, and even though the receiver was under a year old (or way newer) would never get a Dolby Vision update?

Glad Apple waited until the HDR part of the equation was solidly in place.

If you want to talk about being behind lets kvetch about Amazon Prime video not being on TV yet...
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I might be asking too much, but I wonder if it will have a separate audio-out in order to connect video directly to your tv and audio to the AVRs that don't have Dolby Vision pass-through.
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From looking at the UX online, it does not seem to be able to stream 4K content; I don't know about HD audio pass through. I too went with all the options you listed above and eventually steered away from Apple TV because of its' inability to bitstream HD audio to my AVR. I settled on a 2017 shield and am loving the interface and KODI for my movies. It will be interesting to see how Apple plans on handling the licensing for DOLBY as they did not want to deal with it on their ATV4 hence you got DD 5.1 on a DTSHD-MA disk!
Irrelevant for me, I use a Dune Solo for my BR Collection. However, since you bring it up, The Infuse app will pass Dolby-HD and DTS-HD to your AVR via 7.1 LPCM on an ATV4. No support for Atmos and DTS:X though.

https://firecore.com/infuse

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If you want to talk about being behind lets kvetch about Amazon Prime video not being on TV yet...
Apparently, Apple TV will get Amazon Prime Video later this year...

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Apparently, Apple TV will get Amazon Prime Video later this year...
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If The ATV 5 actually gets Dolby Vision, maybe it will put a little pressure on Roku to update it's 4K boxes. The ATV 5 may be coming at just the right time, 4k streaming is still in it's infancy.
Yes it only very recently you have other devices (smartphones, UHD players, 4K displays) being updated to not only support HDR10, but Dolby Vision, and HDR HLG. The audio outputs is also something to ponder about. The ATV4 has both HDMI and Optical, but will the ATV5 also? How about DD+ support?

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Hopefully ATV 5 will also stream 24hz material in 24hz, not converted automatically to 60hz.
There is some hope given that the new iPad Pros are able to switch refresh rate between 24 hz and 120 hz. Still probably a long shot though.
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Hopefully ATV 5 will also stream 24hz material in 24hz, not converted automatically to 60hz.
+100000

Heck, if they have "sync display frame rate to content framerate" that would be unheard of! Currently I use Plex Media Player for Windows for that functionality alone. Video plays so much smoother that way.

So again.... +1000000
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This is great news if it is true. I hope they also fix the issue that The current gen 4 has which highly compresses the sound when playing through home theater speakers.
Perhaps if they allow bitstreaming this will fix that issue
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I can, the UX is leaps and bounds better than any competitor. Just the fact that the buttons on my Harmony control all the apps in the same way is a step above the rest.

I've tried a Roku, Nvidia Shield, FireTV, Xbox One, the apps on my 940E, and a PS4. There's always something just wrong somewhere with the UX that make them unpleasant devices to use.
100%

The Roku interface is terrible. The shield is unstable with android Os and the Android app support is generally behind for big ticket apps.

The xbone can keep up stability-wise l but it's cluttered. I have no experience with the PS4

Generally the iOS apps are best and first supported by vendors.

I've returned a Roku ultra (interface), Xbox one (due to bitstreaming Atmos), and nVidia shield (instability and an out of date UFC.tv app)
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