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Apple TV 5 Supports 4K/UHD HDR with Many Movies on iTunes

The Apple TV 5 brings 4K/UHD and HDR capabilities to the Apple ecosystem, with lots of content available from iTunes and other sources.

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Could you comment on how the lack of 24p output settings affect those with a 4k HDR projector, in my case the Sony 675ES, which presumably has that interim 13.4 Gb capability?
My concerns are whether and how the output changes automatically, as there are no apparent output settings.
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The only thing that I really care about, is I am wondering does this Output DTS master audio or Dolby true HD when watching a movie?
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The only thing that I really care about, is I am wondering does this Output DTS master audio or Dolby true HD when watching a movie?
It does not bitstream. You can get these formats as PCM from infuse.

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Are the 4K versions of previously purchased material available to download or only as a stream from the Apple TV? I usually stream from my current Apple TV (no download with my v3) but would like to be able to use a 4K version of a film next year when my workplace upgrades to 4K monitors in the classroom by plugging directly from my laptop to the monitor.
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Are the 4K versions of previously purchased material available to download or only as a stream from the Apple TV? I usually stream from my current Apple TV (no download with my v3) but would like to be able to use a 4K version of a film next year when my workplace upgrades to 4K monitors in the classroom by plugging directly from my laptop to the monitor.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207949

"You can download a local copy of an HD movie, and you might be able to download HDR and Dolby Vision versions, but you can't download a 4K version"

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"You can download a local copy of an HD movie, and you might be able to download HDR and Dolby Vision versions, but you can't download a 4K version"
Thanks for the info. Oh well. No big deal (my use of film is for its content, not its A/V characteristics, in the classroom--though some of my colleagues in the visual arts programme might be disappointed).
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I'm glad to hear Apple finally invented UHD and HDR.

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Scott,
Could you comment on how the lack of 24p output settings affect those with a 4k HDR projector, in my case the Sony 675ES, which presumably has that interim 13.4 Gb capability?
My concerns are whether and how the output changes automatically, as there are no apparent output settings.
Thanks,
Mike
Per https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208074

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Make sure that all the HDMI cables connecting your Apple TV 4K to your television and receiver are compatible with 4K and HDR video.

*If your TV doesn’t support HDR10 or Dolby Vision at 60Hz (50Hz in Europe), Apple TV 4K can use these formats at 30Hz (25Hz in Europe), but you'll need to manually select a lower refresh rate in Settings > Video and Audio. Using lower refresh rates can result in poor performance, or choppy video when navigating on the home screen, within apps, or playing games. In these cases, Apple recommends lowering resolution to 1080p at 60Hz (50Hz in Europe) instead, and letting your television upscale to 4K. You will still be able to use HDR10 and Dolby Vision at these resolutions.
With the previous ATV4 they weren't supporting 24 Hz. Be nice if they can enable that mode.

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I’m joining the 4K/hdr world. ATV 4K and Oppo 203 on the way. LG OLED to be ordered next week hopefully. Just really bummed that Apple doesn’t seem to be supporting Atmos, bitstreaming, or 24hz. They missed the boat there. My personal blu ray colllection is mostly played via a Plex media pc for those things and looks like it will stay that way for now.

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Were you able to find out if they fixed the audio problems that the Gen 4 is plagued with? I though it was me at first but I researched it online and in the macfourms and in fact the audio is very compressed. I typically play my system at -19 and when i watch an iTunes movie too get the same volume I have to set the volume to -10. PCM and Dolby 5.1 have the same compressed sound. if I play the same move on Amazon prime or Vudu I do not have this problem.

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It does not bitstream. You can get these formats as PCM from infuse.
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Could the new Apple TV 4K eventually get a firmware update to output Dolby Atmos? Or, is it not possible due to the specs?
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I can understand how atmos can be critical to some. I wish it did come with that capability. However for me, it will never be critical. I have no plans on upgrading to an atmos receiver. I have no plans of ever upgrading to atmos speakers. For me video will always trump audio. If it looks like garbage, no amount of audio lipstick can make that pig look good.
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For me video will always trump audio. If it looks like garbage, no amount of audio lipstick can make that pig look good.
The corollary is: if it doesn't look like garbage, then maybe good audio can make things even better

I would like AppleTV to support Atmos. Also, although I can watch Netflix 4K content on my TV, my TV doesn't support Atmos over ARC.
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Scott - HD movies (and thus, now, UHD movies) are not "typically" $10. They are $20 for just about anything new. Occasionally $15. Catalogue stuff is sometimes $10 or even less in bundles.

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I can understand how atmos can be critical to some. I wish it did come with that capability. However for me, it will never be critical. I have no plans on upgrading to an atmos receiver. I have no plans of ever upgrading to atmos speakers. For me video will always trump audio. If it looks like garbage, no amount of audio lipstick can make that pig look good.
You have to consider that some want the whole package...with superior audio and superior video capabilities

You are lucky,from a financial standpoint ,since good audio will cost you a whole lot more money than good video

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For many movies (those my wife and I call "relationship movies"), the very best audio is not mandatory. But for all others, I refuse to buy (or stream) sub standard audio. I will continue to invest in discs (or downloads from the K Store). I didn't invest the time and $$ in our room and equipment so that I could listen to sub par soundtracks.

I do, on the one hand, find it odd that so many of the companies that offer streaming services are hell bent on getting us 4K/UHD/HDR but don't provide the very best audio tracks. I am sure it has to do with (a) the bandwidth required to stream full bandwidth audio and (b) MOST consumers (I recognize that most AVSers are not "MOST consumers") are all about video with the latest flat panel displays but, at best listen on sound bars.

I will pass on all of these video streaming products until the audio issue is addressed. I already can access these same films in SDR from Netflix or Amazon so no need to get another box ---- unless Apple starts producing a lot original movies.

Interesting times.
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The only thing that I really care about, is I am wondering does this Output DTS master audio or Dolby true HD when watching a movie?
Nobody is going to stream uncompressed surround-sound, certainly not Apple.
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Scott - HD movies (and thus, now, UHD movies) are not "typically" $10. They are $20 for just about anything new. Occasionally $15. Catalogue stuff is sometimes $10 or even less in bundles.
UHD movies I actually want to watch are typically $30 but I have seen some $20 titles like Baby Driver. Agree, HD is usually $20 for new releases.
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"Apple Suggests Apple TV 4K Will Gain Dolby Atmos Support in Future tvOS Update"
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/21...tv-4k-roadmap/

“Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me” - Gordon Holt
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Can this do anything that a UHD blu-ray player can't do?
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For many movies (those my wife and I call "relationship movies"), the very best audio is not mandatory. But for all others, I refuse to buy (or stream) sub standard audio. I will continue to invest in discs (or downloads from the K Store). I didn't invest the time and $$ in our room and equipment so that I could listen to sub par soundtracks.

I do, on the one hand, find it odd that so many of the companies that offer streaming services are hell bent on getting us 4K/UHD/HDR but don't provide the very best audio tracks. I am sure it has to do with (a) the bandwidth required to stream full bandwidth audio and (b) MOST consumers (I recognize that most AVSers are not "MOST consumers") are all about video with the latest flat panel displays but, at best listen on sound bars.

I will pass on all of these video streaming products until the audio issue is addressed. I already can access these same films in SDR from Netflix or Amazon so no need to get another box ---- unless Apple starts producing a lot original movies.

Interesting times.
Uncompressed audio sucks up a lot of bandwidth. Meanwhile, pesky double-blind tests show most people will never hear a difference. Add to that the fact most systems don't have the dynamic range to take advantage of 24-bit audio and it's unlikely you'll see uncompressed audio stream.

Folks who want digital delivery of uncompressed audio need to look at the (pricey, download-only) Kaleidescape system.

I can't imagine any company in this business risking interrupted playback just to stuff an uncompressed multi-channel audio into the stream. Even on a "big rig" the compressed Atmos that streams with Vudu UHD sounds great, hard to imagine any typical consumer ever having an issue with it. Good gear and proper setup matter more.
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Can this do anything that a UHD blu-ray player can't do?
If you consider using Apple's iTunes library instead of Vudu or Amazon or Google to buy/rent the same movies, then yes.

Relatedly, can it do anything that a Roku can't do? See above.
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Could the new Apple TV 4K eventually get a firmware update to output Dolby Atmos? Or, is it not possible due to the specs?
Word is (as in other reports say) it could arrive as a future update, but I have not personally spoken to Apple.
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I can understand how atmos can be critical to some. I wish it did come with that capability. However for me, it will never be critical. I have no plans on upgrading to an atmos receiver. I have no plans of ever upgrading to atmos speakers. For me video will always trump audio. If it looks like garbage, no amount of audio lipstick can make that pig look good.
I can understand why SAP support can be critical to some, but I don't speak Spanish and I don't ever plan to learn. To me having English support is far more important than Spanish support. If it's not in English, no amount of language support will make it possible for me to understand the story.
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It could. But the hardware in the atv4 could do it as well and they never added atmos to it.

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"Apple Suggests Apple TV 4K Will Gain Dolby Atmos Support in Future tvOS Update"
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However, I suspect that this is only for DD plus and not for TrueHD.
Its very stupid of apple imo since bitsream doesn't cost them a dime in licensing fees.
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