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As the title says

Can we expect any new players to be announced? I am looking for something with a very high quality video chip for DVD/MPEG2 material that could e.g. output 480i via HDMI and other improvements, e.g. gigabit LAN. All I have seen over the past few months seem to be just variations of the very same EM862x chip which has its limitations.

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Check out engadget, there is a new Buffalo

Buffalo intros new Viiv-certified LinkTheater Wireless-A&G Media Player PC-P4LWAG


Does h.264...at long last
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Check the front page at arstechnica, new Slingbox as well.

No real information on it however, but it's a new contender.
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Check out engadget, there is a new Buffalo

Buffalo intros new Viiv-certified LinkTheater Wireless-A&G Media Player PC-P4LWAG


Does h.264...at long last


Hmmmm... isn't this player out for quite some time already (1/2 year)?
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I've just been reading stuff off of ces (dot) engadget (dot) com. There's a Ubicod UMS2000 SD recorder/streamer... not too exciting. Don't know if the Buffalo device is old news, but they mention h.264 support, so I wouldn't think so. Buffalo also has a normal NAS device based off of mediabolic media server technology-- I guess this is supposed to simplify streaming from the NAS to a mediabolic player-- and also a 'spensive dual band wireless router that allows you to use b/g for standard connectivity and reserve 802.11a for streaming media.
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Could be, I didn't catch that before. I didn't think they had H.264 before, but I'm new to this group of devices so obviously can be quite wrong

Buffalo did just update the page for the LinkTheater, perhaps someone who knows more about them could head over and look for changes?
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I'm looking forward to the new players and the h.264 support. There's so much available h.264 content to download on the newsgroups that it's driving me crazy I can't watch it on my BLT.

Strange that the new Buffalo device again doesn't have HDMI.
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Strange that the new Buffalo device again doesn't have HDMI.


Not at all. (Again, feel free to correct what follows).

My understanding is that HDMI has a lot of baggage with it, meaning that in order for it to be used you have to meet a crazy set of criteria. Some of the ones I know about are upscaling limitations (what studio or device maker wants SD DVD to look nearly as good as HD-DVD/Blue-Ray?), HDCP support (I believe this is linked to resolution...not sure how, never been able to find out what the cutoff is for HDCP) and other such nonsense. As long as the output will not be greater then 1080i, component can deal with it and have less of the afore mentioned baggage (which in the long run means cost to us, for the time to both build it to spec and then get it tested to be interoperable).

While it will become more common, if you have a 720p TV today, or are using a 1080i/720p device then HDMI is little more then "Nice".

Further, VGA has some major loopholes in it, that's why you saw it on most TVs rather then DVI at the start. For instance, on the T.V. side you can implement full scaling logic without issue (VGA was speced for computers)...that's why the Xbox 360 can upscale on the VGA and not the component connections. It is also why it can do 1080p without HDCP...1080p is just a resolution after all, and computers HAVE to have resolutions set on the video card. (This paragraph is the one I'm least confidant in. I've read it a few places, but will gladly take corrections.)
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At CES, the Dynatrex and Netgear look the best so far. Vista looks like it will provide a great solution for HTPCs for those that want to invest a little more. I was not impressed with the Buffalo or Dlink products. Of course, this is with very little hands on and very limited answers from the product folks here.
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At CES, the Dynatrex and Netgear look the best so far. ....

I did a brief search on Dynatrex but came up empty. Do you happen to have more info about it?
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I am sorry, it was Digitrex and it is the STB-100. No info on their web site yet
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My understanding is that HDMI has a lot of baggage with it, meaning that in order for it to be used you have to meet a crazy set of criteria. Some of the ones I know about are upscaling limitations . . . , HDCP support (I believe this is linked to resolution...not sure how, never been able to find out what the cutoff is for HDCP) and other such nonsense.

HDMI has had compatability problems.
HDMI does allow upscaling because it has HDCP, i.e., the stream is "secure." Component does not ("legally") allow upscaling.

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As long as the output will not be greater then 1080i, component can deal with it . . . .

There's more to it than just resolution. Component is analog, HDMI is digital. If your source and display are both digital, it behooves you to avoid unnecessary D/A/D conversions. Each conversion degrades the picture.

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While it will become more common, if you have a 720p TV today, or are using a 1080i/720p device then HDMI is little more then "Nice".

Well, that's the whole point, isn't it? It's not just a little, either. (I doubt many other displays even have HDMI ports. Some projectors use DVI, also digital.)

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Further, VGA has some major loopholes in it, that's why you saw it on most TVs rather then DVI at the start. For instance, on the T.V. side you can implement full scaling logic without issue (VGA was speced for computers)...that's why the Xbox 360 can upscale on the VGA and not the component connections. It is also why it can do 1080p without HDCP...1080p is just a resolution after all, and computers HAVE to have resolutions set on the video card. (This paragraph is the one I'm least confidant in. I've read it a few places, but will gladly take corrections.)

VGA is analog--again requiring unecessary and undesirable D/A/D conversion, if both source and display are digital. You will have a soft 1080p image. FWIW, my TV allows far more adjustment on its HDMI (and component and even s-video) inputs than on its VGA input; this probably varies by manufacturer. As for scaling, unless you have a CRT (which is what you may have in mind), your display will always scale any input at another resolution to its native resolution. So you will never actually see anything except 720p or 1080i/p. If you push the timings (on a computer) outside the sets limits, you will see nothing (if you're lucky).
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Ziova (formerly Zensonic) is showing their new Sigma based players (with and w/o HDD option) at CES.
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Wow, that's quite a device.

Ziova CS505

Ziova CS510
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Wow, that's quite a device.

Ziova CS505

Ziova CS510


Here is a bit more info. From what I understand it is pretty much a Zensonic Z500 that has gotten a face lift.

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Any plans to whether DC will have this player for sale? If so by when?

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Wow, that's quite a device.

Ziova CS505

Ziova CS510

Oh, I just found out that there is even another one in the works: CS515. See here
This one is supposed to be released in April 07.

Further, this article says that the 505 and 510 are being launched in the US right now and even lists prices ("The ZIOVA Clearstream CS505 retails for US$299. The ZIOVA Clearstream CS510 retails for US$249."). However, the Ziova website does not even list a distributor for the US yet, only for Europe...

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I don't get it, from that link the 515 will do what the 510 does...but be less then $200 with the ability to have a hard drive?

I'm not seeing something, help me out here?
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I don't get it, from that link the 515 will do what the 510 does...but be less then $200 with the ability to have a hard drive?

I'm not seeing something, help me out here?

What is published in regards to the 515's specs is a bit thin thus far, so it is hard to say what the real differences between those players are. One thing I could come up with (WARNING - SPECULATION ONLY) is that since the 510 has been out for several months (not in the US though), and is based on an older/less cost effective design of the z500, the next gen model 515 can be offered for less. (Heck, (WARNING - OVERSIMPLIFIED) the only difference between such a media player and DVD player is that former have a network connection. One can get a pretty decent DVD player for way less than $100 these days - unimaginable only a few years ago. )
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Heh, if so...kinda mean to the people that pick up the 510 in the next 3 months .

I have a feeling your right however.
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looks interesting but according to the specs it only does 720p mpeg4 and not 1080i

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Hi Folks,

The CS515 indeed will be cheaper, however the CS515 does not have a VFD but only LED's and also there will be 2 options for the CS515. The one without Wireless will be listing for $199 and the Wireless version for $249.

All models do 720P and 1080i including the CS515.

The CS515 is slated for release in March.

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None of them will do h.264, is that correct?

So to get this right,

CS505: DVD player, VFD + Normal supported features, $299
CS510: VFD +Normal supported features $249
CS515A: LEDs, Wireless + Normal supported features $249
CS515B: LEDs + Normal supported features $199

If the CS515's can have a disk installed, I think the CS510 is a dead product
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Hi Folks,

The CS515 indeed will be cheaper, however the CS515 does not have a VFD but only LED's and also there will be 2 options for the CS515. The one without Wireless will be listing for $199 and the Wireless version for $249.

All models do 720P and 1080i including the CS515.

The CS515 is slated for release in March.

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chuna,
according to the specs posted on the website, its states only 720p and not 1080i for MPEG-4. Are you saying the website in incorrect?

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cut and paste from the specs on the website:

Video Formats Supported
MPEG-1
MPEG-2 MP@HL (720p and 1080i)
MPEG-4 ASP@L5 (720p), such as XviD, 3ivx, HDX4 etc.
WMV9 MP@ML (720p)
Nero Digital up to (Main) Cinema Profile
QuickTime .MP4 (MPEG-4 SP video with AAC audio)
DVB/ATSC Transport Stream Support
DVD ISO and IFO Parsing Support
SRT, SSA and SMT subtitles

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Any news on 480i over HDMI?
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cut and paste from the specs on the website:

Video Formats Supported
MPEG-1
MPEG-2 MP@HL (720p and 1080i)
MPEG-4 ASP@L5 (720p), such as XviD, 3ivx, HDX4 etc.
WMV9 MP@ML (720p)
Nero Digital up to (Main) Cinema Profile
QuickTime .MP4 (MPEG-4 SP video with AAC audio)
DVB/ATSC Transport Stream Support
DVD ISO and IFO Parsing Support
SRT, SSA and SMT subtitles

Yes the website needs to add the 1080i. It will be corrected.
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I think the CS510 is a dead product

Not really as it depends on whether you like or need the vfd to navigate your audio files without the TV on.

I saw these units at vegas and they look very nice.
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Yes the website needs to add the 1080i. It will be corrected.

thanks for correcting the specs on the website.

can you clarify any of these support h.264?

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thanks for correcting the specs on the website.

can you clarify any of these support h.264?

No none of these support H.264.
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No none of these support H.264.


Drat, so close to perfect. Was expecting that, but still....foo.
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