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Alright, so after a few weeks of agonizing research, I've narrowed my HDTV purchase down to either a Pioneer PDP-5020FD or a Panasonic TH-50PZ800U. The problem is, I have no idea which one to get. I wasn't able to view them side by side, and the Panasonic had a Blu-ray hooked up to it naturally looked better than the satellite the Pioneer was hooked up to. So price aside, I figured I'd come here to get some experienced opinions on which if "better". And a quick side note, how common is "burn-in"?
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dude the PQ of the pioneer blows the competition out of the water imo

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Both are great options. I considered both, but decided on going with the Elite 111. I had a limited amount of vertical space due to a center channel above my television forcing me to opt for the Elite (glad I did merely for the tweakability). That being said, I'd vote for the Pioneer. The Panny is a great set...especially the THX mode, but I was able to view both sets in my home and chose going the Pioneer route (I had a 5020 brought in to compare Pio against Panny). You won't be disappointed either way! Good luck with your purchase.

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OK then let me add one more quick question, if I'm able to get a Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010FD for a tad cheaper than the Panny, still in the box, how would that compare to the two sets? Would the 8G Pioneer be better than the current Panny?
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The Pannies are not that great IMO, The Pioneers are really good from my shopping from what I saw. I was going to get a 800u but then realized the Pannies are very mediocre and a Pioneer is well worth the extra cash.

I bought 2 Pannies 85u's for value but on the 3rd TV I found the 650 LCD to be overall superior to a 800 U for the same price.

I had many a dealer tell me my observations are correct and the Pioneers overall are consistantly the best and the next best thing is a Sammy 650 LCD one that works correctly.
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I looked at both sets and while the Panasonic provided a nice picture it never provided the wow factor that the 9th gen black levels provide. I bought the 5020 and every time I watch it I am impressed with how amazing the picture looks. I would pay the extra money and get the 5020.
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OK then let me add one more quick question, if I'm able to get a Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010FD for a tad cheaper than the Panny, still in the box, how would that compare to the two sets? Would the 8G Pioneer be better than the current Panny?

Well, I wasn't able to compare the Panny or Elite to the 5010. But, most of the reasons I felt the 5020 was better also extend to the 5010. While the 5020 is a large improvement over the 5010, I would wager a guess that the 5010 would also eclipse the Panny. I would highly recommend taking a look at both in home before making a decision though. In-store viewing does not do justice to any of these sets.

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Alright, so after a few weeks of agonizing research, I've narrowed my HDTV purchase down to either a Pioneer PDP-5020FD or a Panasonic TH-50PZ800U. The problem is, I have no idea which one to get. I wasn't able to view them side by side, and the Panasonic had a Blu-ray hooked up to it naturally looked better than the satellite the Pioneer was hooked up to. So price aside, I figured I'd come here to get some experienced opinions on which if "better". And a quick side note, how common is "burn-in"?

Either choice would be good and if the Pioneer fits in your budget then I would definitely recommend that one first but if looking to save some money then the Panasonic would be a very good choice. Really can't go wrong with either one.


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OK then let me add one more quick question, if I'm able to get a Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010FD for a tad cheaper than the Panny, still in the box, how would that compare to the two sets? Would the 8G Pioneer be better than the current Panny?

Another great choice. There is a slight improvement in the 5020 in over all picture but the 5010 has more tweakability if that's your game.
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If money is not an issue the 5020FD for sure. I've viewed a pz85u and 5020FD side by side in a dark but not completely dark room playing planet earth on blu-ray. The difference in contrast was huge. The pz800u should have the same contrast as the 85u. Color is less important than contrast to me as long as the TV is close enough.
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Pioneer, I went from an 85U which is 90% of the TV the 800U is and there is no comparing, the Panny's have a washed out look to them, the Pioneers POP. Even with the improved accuracy of the 800U I would not even consider them after trying out a 5020. IMHO the 5020's accuracy in movie mode will be good enough for 90% of people and the other 10% get elites. Of course if money is no object the elites are just incredible with all the options they have for adjustment, I didn't have the scratch for one of them though and the next best thing is the 5020

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OK then let me add one more quick question, if I'm able to get a Pioneer Kuro PDP-5010FD for a tad cheaper than the Panny, still in the box, how would that compare to the two sets? Would the 8G Pioneer be better than the current Panny?

Yes, especially the 5080, the 5010s are a bit dimmer though but if you need 1080p they're still an excellent TV

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Does the Kuro's 72Hz capability make much difference vs 60 Hz on the 800U? (as people say the Panasonic's 48Hz is unwatchable)
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FWIW, CNet rated the PZ800U (slightly) above the 5010. The 5010 had slightly better black level, but the Panasonic had better color accuracy.

The 5020 improves the black level even more, and seems to be otherwise similar to the 5010. Street pricing on the 5020 right now seems to be quite a bit higher than the PZ800U, though. You can find some significantly better deals on the Panasonics if you look around.

If you can get a new 5010 for the same price or less as the 50PZ800U... well, that's a pretty good deal. I recently bought a PZ800U, but I got it for substantially less than the best price I could find on even the 5010.
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In the age of Blu-ray why buy FLICKER TV?

Also since VOD 1080p/24 will be available why buy FLICKER TV?
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Artwood, I assume I'm misinterpreting your post. 24fps is flicker personified. Ever watched 25fps Pal, 24fps film? There is a reason why film projectors flash every frame twice to get 48fps. My BR player converts it to 30fps 1080i. I dare you to see a difference, minus the flicker of course. Now if it takes 24fps and displays it at 120fps that's another matter.
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of course if you can get them for the same price, Pioneer is definetly the route to go, but people seem to be way too hard on the Panasonic. You guys doo realize it is pretty much 2nd only to the Pioneer right?

I would reccomend the OP read some good reviews (like hdtvtest) to get a better idea of how they compare, at least it seems much more impartial than some of the more emphasised opinions here.
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You guys doo realize it is pretty much 2nd only to the Pioneer right?

Actually I think the consensus around here is that award goes to Samsung, at least this year.

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Actually I think the consensus around here is that award goes to Samsung, at least this year.

I'm actually pretty sure the consensus is that Panasonic and the 800u has managed to best everything outside of the Pioneer.
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Is the flicker issue on the 800U a deal breaker for most people? And what content would be susceptible to the flicker, pretty much any Blu Ray movies viewed at 48 Hz?

This is the one issue that is giving me fits, as I am also trying to decide between these two sets. Why Panasonic would allow this to happen is beyond me.
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Is the flicker issue on the 800U a deal breaker for most people? And what content would be susceptible to the flicker, pretty much any Blu Ray movies viewed at 48 Hz?

This is the one issue that is giving me fits, as I am also trying to decide between these two sets. Why Panasonic would allow this to happen is beyond me.

most people seem to be saying quite the opposite, that the 60hz mode, while not judder free, is still pretty smooth so it doesnt seem to be the end of the world.

besides, i was at the theatre today and did indeed notice such flicker on whiter parts of the movie, so at least it's an authentic effect
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My comparison is the 58PZ800U and the Pio 6020.
No one has mentioned the fragile nature of the Pioneer exposed glass with the filter on the outside.
For me, with 2 crazy youngsters and the TV being placed in my family room, I think the Panny is a much safer route to travel. Plus, all the dead presidents I will save......If I bought the Pioneer, I know I would be psychotic about dont throw this, dont touch that.( I see myself putting post it notes on it for people to not touch or clean)....
Oh you also can't forget about the possibility of getting a dreaded bumble bee (buzzzzzzz) with the Pio. Too much money for not being happy with the product.
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I'm actually pretty sure the consensus is that Panasonic and the 800u has managed to best everything outside of the Pioneer.

The flat panel shootout says otherwise (came in third) and so do various ISF calibrators, but if you like the Panasonics that's fine too. I could have seen myself happy with the 800U considering it has a lot less flaws then the 85U. That 2.0 gamma really hurts them though, it's too bad they haven't figure out a way to tweak it.

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No one has mentioned the fragile nature of the Pioneer exposed glass with the filter on the outside.

Could you explain what this means & how it is different than any other set as far as the glass goes?
Afraid my search-fu is weak, can't find anything.
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The flat panel shootout says otherwise (came in third) and so do various ISF calibrators, but if you like the Panasonics that's fine too. I could have seen myself happy with the 800U considering it has a lot less flaws then the 85U. That 2.0 gamma really hurts them though, it's too bad they haven't figure out a way to tweak it.

I dont put alot of stock in that flat panel shootout thread, there seemed to be something very wrong with how they set it up with some of the comments being made about the set.

if you like the Sasmung, that's fine as well, but outside of that shootout thread "which alot of people raised some eyebrows toward", i think the consensus is still that the Panasonic is still 2nd to pioneer. and i dont think all of the sets are stuck on 2.0 gamma, at least when those that evaluate the 800u talk about it, it sounded like it got alot closer to 2.2 without adjustment.
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of course if you can get them for the same price, Pioneer is definetly the route to go, but people seem to be way too hard on the Panasonic. You guys doo realize it is pretty much 2nd only to the Pioneer right?

I would reccomend the OP read some good reviews (like hdtvtest) to get a better idea of how they compare, at least it seems much more impartial than some of the more emphasised opinions here.

How in the world can the panasonic be rated 2nd if there is a major flicker problem when watching movies?
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How in the world can the panasonic be rated 2nd if there is a major flicker problem when watching movies?

There is only a flicker problem if you choose to engage the 48 Hz processing mode.
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There is only a flicker problem if you choose to engage the 48 Hz processing mode.

I was told it was auto selected using input as criteria. Please excuse my ignorance. I take it that it is not and the 48Hz rate is completely useless. So the question remains why the 2008 models still have that processing mode?
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I was told it was auto selected using input as criteria. Please excuse my ignorance. I take it that it is not and the 48Hz rate is completely useless. So the question remains why the 2008 models still have that processing mode?

I'm fairly certain this mode can be turned off in the menus. Some people are not very sensitive to flicker, so this mode might be useful to some.

This feature is new to the Panasonic consumer line this year. The 2009 models will probably have this issue completely worked out.
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How in the world can the panasonic be rated 2nd if there is a major flicker problem when watching movies?

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I was told it was auto selected using input as criteria. Please excuse my ignorance. I take it that it is not and the 48Hz rate is completely useless. So the question remains why the 2008 models still have that processing mode?

the mode isnt useless, it's no worse than the flicker you get in a theatre and you dont have to use the mode, where things are pretty smooth anyway.
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