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Hey all,

This is my first post here at AVS, although I've been browsing through the forums for quite some time.

I'm looking to buy a new TV for my game room upstairs, and I've come across 5 televisions I'm interested in. After reading each one's respective thread here at AVS, I still have no idea how to select from this list.

All of these televisions are around the same price range, so that's a non-issue. I don't mind if it's 37" or 42". LCD or Plasma is fine. The brands are all name brands, so that doesn't matter to me either. Here is what does matter to me.

I'm going to be using this television primarily for gaming (PS3) and watching movies (DVD, Bluray). I'll be sitting 10 feet away from the screen. My game room is a midsized room with two blinded windows that I do open during the day. I will not be purchasing a home theater system to complement this television, at least not for a while, so the sound on the TV is relatively important.

Also, I've read the 720p vs 1080p debate, and I know that there won't be that big of a difference at a viewing range of 10 feet, and with a television size of 37" or 42". However, for some reason I can't get past the fact that 1080p is the latest technology, and that the PS3 utilizes this technology. Please put me in my place by telling me it doesn't matter! Or if it does, please do tell me it does matter!

My question is, which of these TVs would best fulfill the needs listed above? Here's the list:

Panasonic TH42PX80U
TOSHIBA 37AV500U
Panasonic TC37LZ85
TOSHIBA REGZA 42RV535U
Sony Bravia KDL-40V4150


Thanks in advance for all of your help. I really appreciate it!
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Oh, and throw in the Panasonic TH42PZ80U
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Oh, and throw in the Panasonic TH42PZ80U

I would toss in the Samsung LN40A550 into that list and choose either it or the Pany PZ80.
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Oh, and throw in the Panasonic TH42PZ80U

I second that motion, or even the 42PZ85U. Both of these are overall better than the PX80U. They have better black levels, better processing, the handy HD Size 1/Size 2 setting, and an overall smoother and more natural image. The speaker orientation is different between the PZ80U and PZ85U (i think it's the PZ85U with the downward-firing speakers) so you if you consider one of these you should get more feedback on the audio quality differences between these two.

For LCD, i like the 42" Toshiba 535U.

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Get one of the 42"ers.
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Hey all,

This is my first post here at AVS, although I've been browsing through the forums for quite some time.

I'm looking to buy a new TV for my game room upstairs, and I've come across 5 televisions I'm interested in. After reading each one's respective thread here at AVS, I still have no idea how to select from this list.

All of these televisions are around the same price range, so that's a non-issue. I don't mind if it's 37" or 42". LCD or Plasma is fine. The brands are all name brands, so that doesn't matter to me either. Here is what does matter to me.

I'm going to be using this television primarily for gaming (PS3) and watching movies (DVD, Bluray). I'll be sitting 10 feet away from the screen. My game room is a midsized room with two blinded windows that I do open during the day. I will not be purchasing a home theater system to complement this television, at least not for a while, so the sound on the TV is relatively important.

Also, I've read the 720p vs 1080p debate, and I know that there won't be that big of a difference at a viewing range of 10 feet, and with a television size of 37" or 42". However, for some reason I can't get past the fact that 1080p is the latest technology, and that the PS3 utilizes this technology. Please put me in my place by telling me it doesn't matter! Or if it does, please do tell me it does matter!

My question is, which of these TVs would best fulfill the needs listed above? Here's the list:

Panasonic TH42PX80U
TOSHIBA 37AV500U
Panasonic TC37LZ85
TOSHIBA REGZA 42RV535U
Sony Bravia KDL-40V4150


Thanks in advance for all of your help. I really appreciate it!

Will this be your first flat-panel HDTV? If yes, and if you're sitting at 10', then I gotta say - do yourself a big favor and get a 50" set.

Sorry but I can't help with picking from one of these 5 because I'm not familiar with most of these sets. Good luck.
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Thanks for all of the advice guys, it's really helpful.

With regards to a 50" television set, unfortunately that will be too big for me right now because the TV will have to be mounted between two desks, and the width of that space is 44" max.

I've narrowed down my selection to one of the 42" Panasonic Plasmas. I'm going to go with either the PZ85u or the PZ80u. Randy, thanks for that info on speakers. From what I've read, the only differences are the contrast ratio, and the speaker orientation. Are there any other differences I should be aware of?

I checked out the Samsung A550, and supposedly it has terrible built-in speakers, so I'm going to have to pass on that one. Thanks for the suggestion though!
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The Sami 46" 630 is 44" wide.

Possibly other slim bezel 46's would fit???
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Thanks for all of the advice guys, it's really helpful.

With regards to a 50" television set, unfortunately that will be too big for me right now because the TV will have to be mounted between two desks, and the width of that space is 44" max.

I've narrowed down my selection to one of the 42" Panasonic Plasmas. I'm going to go with either the PZ85u or the PZ80u. Randy, thanks for that info on speakers. From what I've read, the only differences are the contrast ratio, and the speaker orientation. Are there any other differences I should be aware of?

I checked out the Samsung A550, and supposedly it has terrible built-in speakers, so I'm going to have to pass on that one. Thanks for the suggestion though!

I have the solution. Get a dremel tool, carve out 3" off the side of each of those 2 desks. Now you got room for that 50" bad boy. They're practically giving away the 50" Z85U's so you should be golden.

That's the great thing about this forum - you get to tell other people what to do
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The Sami 46" 630 is 44" wide.

Possibly other slim bezel 46's would fit???

I would second checking this option out. Alternatively, try and move your seat closer to the screen.
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I'm going to stick with a 42" just because I feel like getting a 44" wide TV would be cutting it way too close. The space is EXACTLY 44", so I think the TV would be crammed in there.

jblevin - haha, thanks for the creative suggestion but I'm going to have to pass. Both of the desks are my father's, and I don't think he'd be too happy if I started carving into them!

I've decided on the TH-42PZ85U. I'm going to get it through NewEgg for $1,099+FS. Sounds like a pretty great deal to me!

Thanks for all of the help!
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I'm going to stick with a 42" just because I feel like getting a 44" wide TV would be cutting it way too close. The space is EXACTLY 44", so I think the TV would be crammed in there



You DO realize that the TV spec is a DIAGONAL measurement and you sound like you are measuring WIDTH!!??

Have you actually measured or checked the spec width of the TVs you are considering?!

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haha, yes I have. The width of the 42" panny is 41.9" according to NewEgg. Or so i think?!
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You DO realize that the TV spec is a DIAGONAL measurement and you sound like you are measuring WIDTH!!??

Have you actually measured or checked the spec width of the TVs you are considering?!

The width is actually pretty close to the diagonal considering the extra 2" of frame on each side most bezels add. I know my wife and I were looking for a stand for my 50" px80 with no overhang on the ends and the horizontal width was around 48-49"
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haha, yes I have. The width of the 42" panny is 41.9" according to NewEgg. Or so i think?!

The owners manual for the 42PZ85U also shows it as 41.9" wide. And the 42PZ80U is 41.3" wide FWIW.

I think the PZ85U series gives the best bang for the buck right now. I recently set one up for my new neighbor and it looks great!

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I say wait for the G10
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i think a 46" pz80 can be had for about $1k too, but that may be too wide for you.
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The owners manual for the 42PZ85U also shows it as 41.9" wide. And the 42PZ80U is 41.3" wide FWIW.

I think the PZ85U series gives the best bang for the buck right now. I recently set one up for my new neighbor and it looks great!

This is awesome to know, I'm really excited about the TV! Thanks Randy.

What is the G10?!
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i think a 46" pz80 can be had for about $1k too, but that may be too wide for you.

The 46PZ80U is 45.6" wide so that's a no-go

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Okay, so the TH-42PZ85U has been out of stock at NewEgg for the past week, so I've had some time to look into a few other sets also. I've stumbled across the Toshiba 42XV545U (LCD) selling at a great price on Crutchfield ($979.99 w/ free shipping).

So now, between these two television sets, which would you say is the better choice? Since I'm going to be using the TV primarily for gaming and watching movies, would it be safe to say the plasma would be best for these two things? I'm aware that plasma has no motion blur, and much better color rendition overall. But this Toshiba set has 120hz technology to reduce motion blur, along with superior color rendition supposedly.

Anyone have any info for me that will make this decision easier? I'm still leaning toward the panny, but after reading up on the 42XV545U a bit, I'm not sure anymore!
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between these two television sets, which would you say is the better choice?

The Panasonic. Hands down!

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I've stumbled across the Toshiba 42XV545U (LCD)

So now, between these two television sets, which would you say is the better choice? Since I'm going to be using the TV primarily for gaming and watching movies, would it be safe to say the plasma would be best for these two things? I'm aware that plasma has no motion blur, and much better color rendition overall. But this Toshiba set has 120hz technology to reduce motion blur, along with superior color rendition supposedly.

Anyone have any info for me that will make this decision easier? I'm still leaning toward the panny, but after reading up on the 42XV545U a bit, I'm not sure anymore!

120Hz is pretty much a marketing gimmick and still doesn't eliminate motion blur. The black levels on the Toshiba LCD will not be as good as on the Plasma, and LCDs have this one-dimensional look to the image when watching DVD movies that to me looks unnatural. I'd stick with one of the 1080p Panasonics myself.

Oh, and the G10 is a new Panasonic model that will become available sometime in March (there's big thread about the new 2009 models in the Plasma forum).

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Thanks for the responses guys! Randy, thanks for that additional info. I'm gonna stick with the panny.

Do you think I should wait for the G10 to release before purchasing my PZ85U? Do you think there will be a significant decrease in price of the PZ85U when the G10 is released in March?
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Thanks for the responses guys! Randy, thanks for that additional info. I'm gonna stick with the panny.

Do you think I should wait for the G10 to release before purchasing my PZ85U? Do you think there will be a significant decrease in price of the PZ85U when the G10 is released in March?

I'd wait go get a look at some NeoPDP's. I would think, you can expect the 85U to drop a bit more when the Neo's come out. How much more, I don't know. But you should at least check out the new breed...
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I'd wait go get a look at some NeoPDP's. I would think, you can expect the 85U to drop a bit more when the Neo's come out. How much more, I don't know. But you should at least check out the new breed...

Do you think the new NeoPDPs will be ridiculously expensive? I'd like to spend no more than $1200 on this TV.

On another note, I've stumbled across something called "phosphor lag" that seems to be an issue with plasmas. Is this akin to the motion blur on LCD screens, and if so, how bad is it in comparison? Do any of you notice it with your Panasonic plasmas?
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Thanks for the responses guys! Randy, thanks for that additional info. I'm gonna stick with the panny.

Do you think I should wait for the G10 to release before purchasing my PZ85U? Do you think there will be a significant decrease in price of the PZ85U when the G10 is released in March?

I didnt really consider plasma because of my viewing environment and concerns about reflections but if i wanted plasma then i would definitely take a close look at the pz85u.

I would go with the 545u if I wanted lcd. That is a fantastic price on toshibas top of the line set. You can check out the 545u thread and the thread on srt. There are 14 owner reviews on amazon, 13 gave it 5 stars, 1 gave it 4 stars. It has been mentioned in at least one review i've read that is gives a plasma like picture and I would agree. The colors are very rich.I dont know if I would say the black levels are as good as the panny, i havent compared them side by side, but that is one of the strong points of the 545. Most owner reviews also say it is an excellent gaming set. It also has a very natural look when viewing movies and the srt feature definitely improves 480/720/dvd signals. Standard dvds look amazing.
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I didnt really consider plasma because of my viewing environment and concerns about reflections but if i wanted plasma then i would definitely take a close look at the pz85u.

I would go with the 545u if I wanted lcd. That is a fantastic price on toshibas top of the line set. You can check out the 545u thread and the thread on srt. There are 14 owner reviews on amazon, 13 gave it 5 stars, 1 gave it 4 stars. It has been mentioned in at least one review i've read that is gives a plasma like picture and I would agree. The colors are very rich.I dont know if I would say the black levels are as good as the panny, i havent compared them side by side, but that is one of the strong points of the 545. Most owner reviews also say it is an excellent gaming set. It also has a very natural look when viewing movies and the srt feature definitely improves 480/720/dvd signals. Standard dvds look amazing.

I appreciate the information you've written out here woodyjoe!

I actually went to Best Buy today to take a look at some of the TVs, and I noticed that the 120Hz TVs did have that soap opera look to them that everyone talks about. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of this look, so I don't think I'm going to buy the 545. It is a great price, however.

I've decided I'm going to be patient and wait for the new line of Panasonic G10s and S1s to release. I don't see why I would invest $1100 into an old line when a brand new line is about to come out in March. Hopefully they won't be too expensive!
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I appreciate the information you've written out here woodyjoe!

I actually went to Best Buy today to take a look at some of the TVs, and I noticed that the 120Hz TVs did have that soap opera look to them that everyone talks about. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of this look, so I don't think I'm going to buy the 545. It is a great price, however.

I've decided I'm going to be patient and wait for the new line of Panasonic G10s and S1s to release. I don't see why I would invest $1100 into an old line when a brand new line is about to come out in March. Hopefully they won't be too expensive!


The 545 doesnt give you a soap opera effect.
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