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NO PRICE TALKING! Only MSRP prices are listed for comparison purposes only.

This thread is to maintain current product matrix to compare all the LCD and Plasma sets 65 inches or bigger.

The intention is to help buyers see what their current options are, and see what 65 inch or bigger products are hitting the streets soon.

Please add info to the thread so I can keep it updated. Please add facts that can and should be added to the matrix. Please suggest sets that I did not list. Please add sets that are coming in next 90 days, so people in the market to buy can weigh their options.

Tell us your opinion on the best set to get in this size range!


Panasonic TH-65PF11UK
Plasma 65"
MSRP: $7,850
Status: Shipping
Notes: RS232 control

Panasonic TH-65PZ850U
Plasma 65"
MSRP: $5,999
Status: Shipping

Panasonic TC-P65S1
Plasma 65"
MSRP: $3,199
Status: Shipping

Panasonic TC-P65V10
Plasma 65"
MSRP: $3,999
Status: Shipping started August 2009
Notes: The V10 line from Panasonic is crowned "King of HDTVs" by respected hdguru.com. Has RS232.

Panasonic TH-103PF10UK
Plasma 103"
485.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $50,000
Notes: would love to have this one in my living room.

Panasonic TH-65PF12U
Status: Coming in 90 days??

Panasonic TH-65VX100
MSRP: $9999
Status: shipping since 2008
Notes: For custom installer market. Rs232. Hdguru.com "King of HDTVs" for 2008.

Panasonic TH-85PF12U
MSRP: $30,000
Status: Shipping September 2009

Panasonic TH-103PF12U
Plasma 103"
1,920 x 1,080
443.2 lbs.
MSRP: $50,000

Panasonic 4K x 2K
Plasma 152"
4,096 x 2,160
MSRP:??

Samsung LN65B650
LCD 65"
MSRP: $5,999
Status: Coming September 2009

Samsung 700DXN
LCD 70"
MSRP: $34,609
Status: Shipping

Samsung 820DXN
LCD 82"
MSRP:$76,000
Status: Shipping

Samsung 700TSN
LCD 70"
MSRP: $33,878
Notes: Touchscreen monitor

Sharp LC-65E77UM
LCD 65"
MSRP: $4,499
Status: coming Sept 2009

Sharp LC-65XS1US
LCD 65"

Sharp PN-G655RU
LCD 65"
145.5
1920x1080
MSRP: $12,295

Sharp PN-G655RUP
LCD 65"
155.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $15,725

Sharp PN-S655
LCD 65"
137.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $10,795

Sharp PN-S655P
LCD 65"
146.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $14,225

LG 71PY1M
TBD

Sony KDL-70XBR7
LCD 70"
1920x1080
MSRP: $19,999
Notes: has RS232 control

Sony KDL-65W5100
LCD 65"
1920x1080
MSRP: $4,999
Notes: has RS232 control

AKIRA ALM7001
LCD 70"
1920x1080


AKIRA ALM8201

LCD 82"
1920x1080

Honeywell MT-HWGWT8218AM
LCD 82"
Notes: This is not a typo, Honeywell is rebadging the 82 inch Samsung panel.

Mitsubishi LDT651P
LCD 65"
145.5
1920x1080
MSRP: $18,995

NEC MultiSync LCD6520L-BK-AV
LCD 65"
183.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $13,499

NEC MultiSync LCD6520P-BK-AV
LCD 65"
183.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $14,499 n/a

NEC MultiSync LCD8205
LCD 82"
227.1
1920x1080
MSRP: $54,999

NEC MultiSync LCD8205P
LCD 82"
227.1
1920x1080
MSRP: $69,999

NuVision Lucidium NVU65FX5
LCD 65"
143.0
1920x1080

Orion NeoDigm PK-8401
Plasma 84"
286.6
1706x960
MSRP: $44,900
Note:The 84" Orion combines four 42" plasma panels. It's not a single large 84" panel.

Runco CinemaWall XP-65
Plasma 65"
150.0
1920x1080

Runco CX-65HD
LCD 65"
189.5
1920x1080
MSRP: $14,995

Runco CX-70DHD
LCD 70"
158.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $34,995

Runco PlasmaWall XP-103DHD
Plasma 103"
485.0
1920x1080

Runco PlasmaWall XP-65DHDxa
Plasma 65"
163.1
1920x1080

Vidikron VP-6500VHD
Plasma 65"
181.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $19,995

Vidikron VP-6500VHDa
Plasma 65"
181.0
1920x1080
MSRP: $19,995

Summary Fun Facts
With a MSRP of $3199, the Panasonic TC-P65S1 is the most inexpensively priced set 65 inches or bigger.

There are currently 3x more LCDs than Plasmas on the market with size 65 inch or bigger.

Panasonic has the most offerings, with nine sets.

Panasonic model lines have no standard naming convention. Good luck trying to sort them or make sense of which is which by model number.

Runco and Panasonic offer the biggest sets at 103 inches.
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It seems this thread might be better suited for the general flat-panel forum. It will also get a lot less traffic there however. It might be worth making two threads - one for LCD, one for plasma. Just a thought.

Its a nice list though. I did notice a couple things that seemed worth commenting on:

- First, where did you get the 65" V10 MSRP from? I haven't seen an official release from Panasonic, but have seen it listed at $3999 MSRP from a couple unofficial sources. It's hard to imagine that the display would be available at the current street pricing if the MSRP is really that high.

- Panasonic has an 85" plasma coming out soon. I don't know for sure if it fits within the 90 day window however if it appears with the rest of the PF12UK lineup, then it very likely will be here in that 90 day timeframe. For that matter you could add the 65" PF12UK to the list as well.

- I've seen mention of at least one other LCD using the 82" Samsung panel - I believe it was from Honeywell.

- The 84" Orion combines four 42" plasma panels. It's not a single large 84" panel. Just something worth noting, perhaps.
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Thanks mkoesel, I fixed the mistake on the v10 by updating the post. Do you have model numbers for the sets you mentioned?
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Sure. Let's see the Panasonic's would be TH-65PF12U and TH-85PF12U. I googled the Honeywell and found the model was called "MT-HWGWT8218AM" which is a mouthfull to say the least.

Also, I noticed Samsung has a second 70" LCD, the 700TSn.
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Cool, I updated the matrix. Who would have thought that Honeywell would get in the LCD market!? Very strange play for them.

The samsung is a 70 inch touch panel, how awesome is that?
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The samsung is a 70 inch touch panel, how awesome is that?

Yeah, its pretty cool stuff indeed. Panasonic also offers modular touch screen attachments for their commercial plasmas (in 42", 50" and 65" sizes). I'm not sure if they will be providing something similar for the 85" also, but there was a touchscreen demo of the 85" at Infocomm seen in the second slide here http://www.cepro.com/slideshow/image/4860/.

I also thought of another display missing from the list - the Panasonic TH-65VX100.
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Thought of one more: 65" Olevia 265T LCD. I'm not sure if this is still being produced, but I did notice that it is still on their website.
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I also thought of another display missing from the list - the Panasonic TH-65VX100.

Thanks, updated. Man, you have an encyclopedic knowledge of TVs in your head! Are you in this industry?? That 82 inch Panny is a monster, bigger than my first car.

I will add the Olevia now too. I forgot about that one as well. (edit, these babies are discontinued).

The Panasonics now have the lead in terms of offerings... with 8 models.

Which set would you get if you had $5k budget?
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it seems this thread might be better suited for the general flat-panel forum... Just a thought.

Its a nice list though.

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Thanks, updated. Man, you have an encyclopedic knowledge of TVs in your head! Are you in this industry??

Nope, just pay close attention to this area of flat panel TVs because I do plan to own one someday. Actually I paid about the same for my 50" 7UK years ago as a 65" 11UK costs today, and that makes me think, sometimes. But I am waiting for the right time to make that kind of investment again.

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Which set would you get if you had $5k budget?

Well, I'd probably look at a 65" 11UK, or more than likely just wait for a 65" 12U, which will probably street for a bit less. The 65" V10 would be a close second, but i prefer monitors. I'd definitely want to check out the 65" Sony or Samsung LCD's before I purchase though. Those have some real potential. Now, if you could steal a 65" VX100 for near 5k, that would probably be the way to go obviously. But I doubt that those can be had anywhere near that number.
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I have read that the UK is a commercial model that has the same exact *panel* as the consumer model, the only difference is that it is controllable vis rs232. I am not sure how accurate this is though, it looks from descriptions that it has a modular card structure. Food for thought though.

I too am in the market, I am replacing my first bigscreen TV, a 65 inch CRT RPTV ws65869. I paid $5000 for it in 2000. I kinda wish Mits had some more or these big screen TVs, it seems they are still stuck in in RPTV land. I think they are doing a lot of R and D though so they can come out with something brand new tech wise in a few years.
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Update: the TH-85PF12U 85 inch set is shipping now!
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The specs and pricing ($30K) are up on the panasonic website for the 85"er
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The specs and pricing ($30K) are up on the panasonic website for the 85"er

thx, i updated it
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Bumped for Christmas shoppers. Does anybody have any updates for the list?
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Added 2 sony sets.
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What does n/a indicate? I would suggest adding some type of legend or just simply telling us what the info you put represents (weight etc.). Also you can probably leave the resolution off for most all the sets as I think only one set has a non 1080p resolution.
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The replacement for the Panasonic TH-103PF10UK (the 12UK) has been released, bringing the newest generation Panny panel to this size. Info on the model is available on the business portion of the Panasonic website.
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How much more money would a 70-inch Panasonic plasma if made cost compared to the 65-inchers?

I doubt that anyone would shell out the money for an 80-inch plasma.

I believe some would shell out a little more cash for a 70-inch plasma--there will always be people who want something just a little bit larger than what most everyone else has.
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Prices aren't linear. There isn't anyway to say what 5 extra inches gets you. Going from 65-85 (20 inches) increases the price to $30k from ~$3-$4k, yet going from 85 to 103 (17 inches) the price increases $20k from $30k to $50k.

Last year the 103 incher was substantially more.

There is a market for these plasmas. Some people get a small plasma and a projector setup. Some of those people may opt for a single larger plasma and avoid the need of lighting control, drop down screens and dual display setups.
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How much more money would a 70-inch Panasonic plasma if made cost compared to the 65-inchers?

I doubt that anyone would shell out the money for an 80-inch plasma.

I believe some would shell out a little more cash for a 70-inch plasma--there will always be people who want something just a little bit larger than what most everyone else has.

I will be happy to buy the 85" Panny when the price drops to what I paid for my 65" 600U. In other words, about $10k. On the other hand, I will keep the 65" for a long time unless there is something that I want that is at least 75" in size.
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LG used to make a 70-inch plasma. The picture wasn't great.

I bet that come Olypics year 2012 that Panasonic will make a 70-inch plasma.
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The replacement for the Panasonic TH-103PF10UK (the 12UK) has been released, bringing the newest generation Panny panel to this size. Info on the model is available on the business portion of the Panasonic website.

Thanks for the update. Could you let me know the text I should paste into the matrix? Model number, MSRP, resolution, ship date, etc. Thanks.
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LG used to make a 70-inch plasma. The picture wasn't great.

I bet that come Olypics year 2012 that Panasonic will make a 70-inch plasma.

I'm hoping for 75"s. Seems logical to me for them to have 65, 75 and 85". The 75" fills the blank space, is larger than "competing" LCDs and likely cheaper to produce!
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Thanks for the update. Could you let me know the text I should paste into the matrix? Model number, MSRP, resolution, ship date, etc. Thanks.

TH-103PF12U
Screen Size (Diagonal) 102.5-inch (2,603 mm)
Aspect Ratio 16:9
Effective Display Area (W x H) 89.3˝ x 50.2˝ (2,269 x 1,276 mm)
Number Of Pixels (H x V) 1,920 x 1,080 pixels (1 pixel = 3cells for R, G and B)
Pixel Pitch (H x V) 0.046˝ x 0.046˝ (1.182 x 1.182 mm)
Moving Picture Resolution 1,080 lines *Based on APDC measurement method.
Contrast Ratio 40,000:1
Dynamic Contrast Ratio 2,000,000:1
Gradation 6,144 steps (equivalent)

Power Requirements 220 - 240 V AC, 50 Hz/60 Hz
Power Consumption 1400 W
Power Off Condition 0.4 W
Stand-by condition Save OFF: 1.2 W, Save ON: 0.7 W
Dimensions (W x H x D) 95.0˝ x 55.9˝ x 5.1˝ (2,412 x 1,419 x 129 mm) (5.6˝ (141 mm) when including the protruding portion of slot)
Weight approx. 443.2 lbs. (approx. 201 kg)
Cabinet Color Black

Should be shipping now
Price isn't listed, but prior gen was $50k
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thanks, I updated it.
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8. Larger plasma TVs

Plasma TV makers have long been able to produce big displays, even measuring 100 inches and up. But it's only now that consumer demand is pushing mass production to sizes of 50 inches and more, according to iSuppli's Patel.

In the 40-inch range, plasma no longer has a price performance advantage over LCD TVs. But that advantage still exists in the 50-inch and larger sizes. Panel makers are expanding the availability of panels in this range, Patel says.

However, the market is limited to homes which have a dedicated home theatre or larger living area.

Samsung's HPR6372 plasma HDTV, currently street-priced at around $3500, measures 63 inches. But earlier this year, Samsung announced a 70-inch panel. A 76-inch plasma panel from LG is also on its way to HDTVs of the future.

From this article:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1452...tml?lsrc=top_1
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Added the new 152 inch Plasma from Panasonic.

Panasonic 4K x 2K
Plasma 152"
4,096 x 2,160
MSRP:??
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Sorry for awakening an old thread but....

LG LZ9700
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ETA: Early 2011
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