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post #1 of 68 Old 03-20-2010, 06:37 PM - Thread Starter
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Hello,

my question is:

how does a 2010 Plasma , compared to a CRT, handle motion.
Is there still a diffrents or is it not worth mentioning ?

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My opinion is that CRT will do better as far as deep dark consistent black levels. As far as color pop, they are both excellent!
As far as perfect geometry, convergence and uniformity plasma wins there.
A good plasma display can hold its own when compared to a CRT. Just don't expect those deep dark crazy black levels with a plasma.

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Are there such things as HD CRTS?
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CRT still handles motion the best.
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Are there such things as HD CRTS?

Yes there were. They're just not widely available anymore.
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Motion CRT wins but of the flat technologies the plasma is the closest.
They have HD CRT's but they max out at about 1080i, weights a ton and about 32 inch max.

Color and contrast crt win.

geometry and uniformity the plasma will beat it since there is no curve on edges.
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motion is definitely better with a CRT, but it's not bad with Plasma.

I can tell that is has a slight motion blur, but you know what, it doesn't matter with me and I like to play games where FPS can bring out the motion blur.
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I have a 34" sony wega HDTV and it kicks ass, but I am replacing it with(hopefully) an LG 50PK550 or PK750 very shortly. I will bookmark this thread and reply when I have a comparison to make.
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I use a 34" Toshiba 34HFX84 here and it also kicks ass at HD programing of any sort.
I'll probably upgrade to a plasma sometime soon if finances permit for the bigger screen and power and weight savings as mine weighs 160 pounds and that's light compared to some of the Sony CRT HD sets out there.
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I had a Samsung 32" HDCRT that weighed 220lbs(to put it into perspective, my 65" plasma weighs 180lbs)!!! Picture quality was nice but geometry issues just kept it behind the 37" LCD I had to replace it with when it just stopped working one day. Between my 1080p LCD, and my 65" 1080p plasma, I just don't really notice that much of difference when it comes to motion resolution. In short, I don't miss my Samsung.
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If you can still get a Pioneer through Magnolia, you won't notice any differences. Blacks are possibly even blacker than on one of the two 34xbr960s I own, motion is at least as good, and movies look even better, since the Elites support 24fps, causing less jitter to show up.
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If you can still get a Pioneer through Magnolia, you won't notice any differences. Blacks are possibly even blacker than on one of the two 34xbr960s I own, motion is at least as good, and movies look even better, since the Elites support 24fps, causing less jitter to show up.

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While there were HD CRTs developed the problem was not creating CRTs with higher resolution. The problem was creating large screen 16 x 9 CRT televisions. Once the industry adopted the widescreen TV as the standard, Plasma and LCD became a better option. Too bad. CRT is fantastic IMO.

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I have both and enjoy watching both. As mentioned already they both have pro's and con's.

You can also get a rp-crt just as sharp as a plasma but it does take some work to get them there. Plasma dont require this. My wife is happy about that.

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Motion CRT wins but of the flat technologies the plasma is the closest.
They have HD CRT's but they max out at about 1080i, weights a ton and about 32 inch max.

A few years back,Hitachi had a 51,57, and 65 inch HD RPCRT. I had the 57" it was big, had a good picture-but you had to constantly adjust settings. I sold it to a co-worker and bought a plasma.I love the plasma,turn it on and forget it.
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I had a Samsung 32" HDCRT that weighed 220lbs(to put it into perspective, my 65" plasma weighs 180lbs)!!! Picture quality was nice but geometry issues just kept it behind the 37" LCD I had to replace it with when it just stopped working one day. Between my 1080p LCD, and my 65" 1080p plasma, I just don't really notice that much of difference when it comes to motion resolution. In short, I don't miss my Samsung.

Well many had issues with that but luckily my Toshiba is pretty much dead on. The only thing that needed adjusting was the picture tilt and there's a adjustment in the user controls for that so it was easy to fix.
Mine was the last non Funai USA built set they made and was their top line model so maybe they spent a bit more time tweaking them or I just got lucky but I'll take it
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So CRTs had the best black levels right?
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So CRTs had the best black levels right?

It depends on the tv sets, maybe..
I gave my 34xbr800 away for free when I received a kuro. The Sony never produced satisfing blacks.
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So CRTs had the best black levels right?

my CRT RPTV always had stunning black levels, so YES they did

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CRT sets of all sizes, makes & models are readily available via Craigslist for near give-away prices.
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crt is still king...

color-crt is still the reference
black level - again- crt
resolution - on spec, a plasma...on viewing actual content - crt. there is no digitizing the pic!
motion - crt
geometry - plasma
convergence - plasma
size - plasma

I've owned Kuro's and the last panny G10 plasma...I now have a 34" fine pitch sony...it's better. It's really just that simple. But, it's not crazily better...but I got it for 200 from craigslist.

I am still hoping for a really high end 40" set...I don't care what the technology is, as long as it's amazing!
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^^ Interesting. I found a big screen, even with the worst blacks like a first generation sony lcd wega, still has a better experience than watching a small tube.
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I also have a crt projector....8 ft wide pic is definitely nice!

But as a videophile...I still prefer to watch tv on a tv...sports on a tv is good too.
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So CRTs had the best black levels right?

Correct. The Kuro's are king now.
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It's amusing that modern tv technology is still trying to play catch up to CRT technology that's been used in colour tv's for over 50 years.
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It's amusing that modern tv technology is still trying to play catch up to CRT technology that's been used in colour tv's for over 50 years.

I remember about 5 years ago when CRT's just started to be phased out in favor of LCD sets. I was amazed at how truly crappy most LCD tv's were at that time, and even more amazed that people were getting rid of perfectly good tube sets with great picture quality, for displays that cost a small fortune with feeble picture quality. Here in Canada, the best LCD tv 5 years ago was the Sony XBR1 and that cost a pile of money.
Now, the tvs are much improved but only the Elite Kuro truly matches a top quality CRT tube set.
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For the consumer market today, nobody makes a top quality CRT. Plasma and to a lesser extent LCD are much improved. IMHO, Plasma is the best (king) and Pioneer Kuros, which are plasma, are not made anymore. I own a Panasonic plasma, my opinion is biased. To the original OP, motion blur is visible, but it does not bother me. I could see motion blur on CRT's. Buy a new or slightly used Plasma, you will not be disappointed.
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. I could see motion blur on CRT's.

From what i remember of my 65crt, i could not see no blurr or pixelization, like when i diver jumps in the air and does their tricks and all you see is pixelization.
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But as a videophile...I still prefer to watch tv on a tv...sports on a tv is good too.


You don't consider plasma and flat panel lcd's a tv?
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From what i remember of my 65crt, i could not see no blurr or pixelization, like when i diver jumps in the air and does their tricks and all you see is pixelization.

sounds like compression in the channel your watching, TV's do not create pixelation compression in the source does.

LCD's with motion enhancers turned on can cause all kinds of artifacting and stuff if they are crappy or set too high but otherwise thats it.

CRT based TV's were often too blurry or low resolution and did a great job hiding compression side effects, even then if you view a CRT RPTV or Projector that is setup, tuned and produces the sharpest picture possible and even brand new ones never did out of the box, this takes an experienced tech a few days of cleaning and adjusting all sorts of stuff to make that happen with a low quality source you will end up seeing the same thing on them because at that point they have been adjusted to match the sharpness of many digital flat panel displays.

If you're a gamer or interested in using an LCD TV as a primary monitor take a look at my thread on Input Lag
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