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Good news for TV buyers, bad news for TV-makers' shareholders: The industry is bracing for a severe year end price war, with some analysts predicting price declines as steep as 25% going into the key holiday season. This year's strategy to "sell earlier and sell for less" will make life 'miserable' for manufacturers like Sony, Samsung, LG and Panasonic.

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Not good for buyers in the long run if manufacturers make big losses on TVs.
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Or if manufacturers cut costs so TVs don't last as long as they should! I'll still pay more for a better-made TV- you end up saving in the long run.
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My predictions.

The biggest price drops will be for the older non-1080 fluorescent backlit LCD displays, with the latest LED models seeing the smallest price drops. The goal will be to dump as many old technology models as possible.

Very few people will touch the 3D models, making them the biggest losers.
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this is good news it will dive the prices down and people will be able to afford new tvs
its hard trying to find an older non led light hdtv here
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this is good news it will dive the prices down and people will be able to afford new tvs
its hard trying to find an older non led light hdtv here

The cost of TVs going down is bad for people that like good image quality and well built products that last.

The last thing you should want is for TVs to become disposable like cell phones and other things have become.
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The cost of TVs going down is bad for people that like good image quality and well built products that last.

The last thing you should want is for TVs to become disposable like cell phones and other things have become.

Many are already disposable if you need to find parts for a 2 year old set.
Most people that have an extended warranty seem to get a new set rather than a repair because parts aren't available:
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The cost of TVs going down is bad for people that like good image quality and well built products that last.

Which would those be, I wonder?

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The last thing you should want is for TVs to become disposable like cell phones and other things have become.

You mean like the 37" Philips LCD TV we paid $1500 for a mere four years ago, that it looks like we're soon going to have to replace because it appears to be dying? And that was a clearance price, to boot! It's normal price was over $2000.

Meanwhile, the 27" (square) Hitachi CRT we bought 18 years ago, which only ever needed one relatively inexpensive repair, finally died last year on the people to whom we'd given it.

We're not likely to ever pay $1500 for a television set ever again. (Nor buy anything made by Philips ever again. The last Norelco electric razor I bought, one of the higher-end ones at the time, didn't last long, either.)

Maybe this should be another thread, but I wonder which TV manufacturers have a reputation for making quality products that actually last a while?

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Here's a tip for future TV shopping. Don't be cheap and buy extended warranty
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Here's a tip for future TV shopping: If your TV is pretty inexpensive, don't waste 20-40% of the purchase price on an extended warranty. In the event your TV fails, you'll get a new set for not much more than the entire extended warranty cost.

Some credit cards will give 2x the mfrs. warranty if you use them, as will Costco. Consider those outlets before shelling out $300 for a warranty on a $900 item that will be $500 in 3 years to replace.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Almost all stores except for Wal-mart sell warrantees at over a 100% markup and their sales staffs get a 100% commission for selliing them. Your option of course is to say no and self insure your purchase.
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Maybe this should be another thread, but I wonder which TV manufacturers have a reputation for making quality products that actually last a while?

Define "a while."

I would say Pioneer buil(t) a quality panel (right here in the ole' US of A), but we know what happened to their TV division...
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a "rush to the bottom" is hardly good for consumers in the long run...

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Define "a while."

For $1500: A heckuva log longer than four years, I'll tell ya that.

Before I go spending that kind of money, or even half that, on a TV every four years, we'll do without and just read books, newspapers and magazines.

Would probably be good for us, in fact.

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It would be good for everyone methinks. My TV spending craze has come to an end, and I guess it couldn't come at a more appropriate time with quality continuing to dive.
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Almost all stores except for Wal-mart sell warrantees at over a 100% markup and their sales staffs get a 100% commission for selliing them. Your option of course is to say no and self insure your purchase.

I think you might have a decimal point in the wrong spot. Or you don't know what 100% means or commission. No matter what you're 100% wrong.

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The markup on service plans is not as big as it used to be and most stores the sales staff is NOT on commision anyway.
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You mean like the 37" Philips LCD TV we paid $1500 for a mere four years ago, that it looks like we're soon going to have to replace because it appears to be dying? And that was a clearance price, to boot! It's normal price was over $2000.

Meanwhile, the 27" (square) Hitachi CRT we bought 18 years ago, which only ever needed one relatively inexpensive repair, finally died last year on the people to whom we'd given it.

We're not likely to ever pay $1500 for a television set ever again. (Nor buy anything made by Philips ever again. The last Norelco electric razor I bought, one of the higher-end ones at the time, didn't last long, either.)

I spent $2200 on a Sony 34XBR800 7 1/2 years ago and it just died! That's $266 a year! The two 27" tubes that were given to me free a few years ago are still working for my bedroom and bedroom office.

I figured LCDs have gotten so cheap that I could replace my HD Sony tube with a larger and less bulky one for under $1000, but now LEDs seem to be the better technology, although at significantly more cost, so now I have to ponder whether it's worth spending near $2000 again.

As for razors, my original Braun 100 lasted over 10 years, but the micro-screen would break about every year and a replacement screen was some $30, which was like buying a new razor every 2 years. The battery or power supply finally gave up a few years ago, and fortunately the newer model screen has not broken yet.
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55" 2D 1080p LCD TVs are now around $1500 and 37" 1080p 2D LCDs can be found for between $500 and $1000.
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I've seen this discussion in a few areas, and I don't understand why some of you are saying stuff like "bad for consumers in the long run" and "results in poorly built products"?

Doesn't the holidays always bring about such price wars? Were you saying this last year about the TVs you bought this year? Aren't they only reducing prices on products already built and stocked in inventory?

If you look at TVs now vs. TVs last year, they've almost all been reduced 100% or more (and same can be said about last years vs. the year before). This is just consumer electronics -- prices continually drop at a rapid rate every year, and during the holidays, it's even more so -- every year.

Just trying to see if I'm missing something here.
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If you look at TVs now vs. TVs last year, they've almost all been reduced 100% or more ...

They have?!?! They're now free, or stores are even paying people to take them?

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They have?!?! They're now free, or stores are even paying people to take them?

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Sorry, should have read "50% or more".
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Doesn't the holidays always bring about such price wars? Were you saying this last year about the TVs you bought this year? Aren't they only reducing prices on products already built and stocked in inventory?

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The sales around the holidays are designed to bring people in and most of the time from what I have seen are for the lower end models or models getting cleared out.
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Sorry, should have read "50% or more".
I knew what you meant . Sorry, couldn't resist the opening

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I'll tell you guys a short story .. I was not in the market for a TV, after all, I can only watch one at a time .. however, at my last Internet provider change, I was given a $300.00 gift card for a one year sign up .. really had nothing to spend it on .. I'm old and have everything already ..

So, I drop a 42" LCD in my Amazon cart 3 months ago and wait, TV drops price about every week .. Two weeks ago, Amazon offers a $200.00 TIVO credit if you order a TIVO with a 40" or larger TV .. I snap up a TIVO under $200, I apply the Gift Card as payment, get the TIVO, which I did not want, sold it to my neighbor for $200 ..

Net cost of 42" TV .. zero ..

Sure, this post is off topic, but I just could not resist ..

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I'll tell you guys a short story .. I was not in the market for a TV, after all, I can only watch one at a time .. however, at my last Internet provider change, I was given a $300.00 gift card for a one year sign up .. really had nothing to spend it on .. I'm old and have everything already ..

So, I drop a 42" LCD in my Amazon cart 3 months ago and wait, TV drops price about every week .. Two weeks ago, Amazon offers a $200.00 TIVO credit if you order a TIVO with a 40" or larger TV .. I snap up a TIVO under $200, I apply the Gift Card as payment, get the TIVO, which I did not want, sold it to my neighbor for $200 ..

Net cost of 42" TV .. zero ..

Sure, this post is off topic, but I just could not resist ..

Well, good for you!!!!!
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Great trade. Your net cost is zero plus stuck with ISP for a year
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Zero is always good
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Great trade. Your net cost is zero plus stuck with ISP for a year

Since my new ISP tripled my old providers speed at $15 a month LESS, it's all good ..

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stuck with ISP for a year

Ya gotta have one anyway. May as well get one cheap.

Great thread, as our DLP Samsung with the shot Mother board may be taking it's final steps to the grave. The only input that has worked for the past year is the HDMI and now it's locking up periodically and needing to be powered off to recycle, so I'm starting to look around. This topic is well timed for me.

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