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post #31 of 49 Old 12-25-2010, 08:51 PM
 
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Just because there is no flashlighting now doesn't mean it won't appear later as the panel ages.

I bought my panel a couple of years ago and it had completely even back lighting. Now, it's starting to develop some flashlighting as it gets older. It's completely tolerable, but it is there.

How could you have 'bought your panel a couple of years ago' when LED panels didn't hit the market until the second quarter of 2009? That's odd isn't it?
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How could you have 'bought your panel a couple of years ago' when LED panels didn't hit the market until the second quarter of 2009? That's odd isn't it?

Oh, I should've mentioned mine is CCFL, not LED. But my point is that just because it doesn't have flashlights and/or clouds out of the box doesn't mean it won't develop them later. That has happened in my case. They are still quite minor at this point, but still visible enough now that I notice them regularly.

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How could you have 'bought your panel a couple of years ago' when LED panels didn't hit the market until the second quarter of 2009? That's odd isn't it?
Is that tidbit of information from PC World?

Samsung released the LN-T4081F backlit-LED in 2007.
Sony's XBR8 was out in Summer 2008, as was the Samsung 950-series, both backlit-LED sets.
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Places that do the best PQ testing are:

http://www.hometheater.com/

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/

http://www.cnet.com/

They hire the top ISF Certified calibrators to test the tv's like Kevin Miller and Jim Doolittle who are the founding members of ISF.
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Actually if you can remember, it was a 60" Samsung LED. UN60C6300 to be exact! I love it. Inky blacks, no ghosting or flashlighting with the new panel. The Samsung LED's received high lab testing ratings in the December issue of PC World. Nice & thin too.
Weird coincidence... My next door neighbor, who also happens to be a highschool friend of over 30 years bought the EXACT same set. I helped him unbox, setup, and 'calibrate' it on a Saturday, as it was his turn to host our monthly all day Sunday football 'party.' We're in no way experts on the matter as we spend most of our time with audio, but the TV seemed pretty darn good that Saturday when the 2 of us were messing with it. Come Sunday when the rest of the guys were there, anyone not in the 'sweet spot' couldn't see a darn thing. Maybe our middle-aged eyes are just getting old, dunno, but these LED/LCDs just don't agree with football and OUR eyes. My friend commented on how they were similar to Klipsch speakers, razor sharp and precise, but only if you're lucky enough to be in the 'sweet spot,' otherwise you're SOOL. Needless to say, I'm back at his place Monday to box the thing back up and return it. He ended up with the Samsung pn58c8000, now we can ALL enjoy football at his place again
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It looks like the OP hasn't checked back in since he opened the thread, but I'll chime in with my $0.02 since quite a few people have given their personal opinions about displays which the OP isn't considering.

At your price range, the plasma will probably give you a significantly better picture (blacks, uniformity, viewing angle, size) than the LCD. As someone already mentioned, Philips isn't considered a "top tier" manufacturer so you're not going to be getting the PQ (or overall product quality) that some others have been describing on their LCDs here. Plus, since you're primarily going to be watching Blu-ray, you'll lose a lot of the benefits of a 1080p source/display with a 32" screen vs a 46" screen. A 46" screen will not be too large, even in a small room, unless you're going to be viewing it from inside of about 2'-3'.

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The proof is in the pudding (the professional reviews, the pros, the shootouts, the video performance parameters). I know that must be painful to hear.
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Is there even any debate? Regardless of which tech one prefers, if you're looking for a TV, 46" trumps 32" everytime... especially since the OP plans to use it primarily for watching blu rays.
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I take the reviews of some sites as more of a joke. Blacks measured with a total black screen are only one parameter. Many of the Local Dimming LEDs have unreal blacks in this test. Put on a picture like a star field, and those blacks aren't so inky anymore. Home Theater Magazine at least tells you if those blacks hold up in real world viewing scenarios.

I am a huge fan of plasma as I feel they have the best overall PQ. You can spend far less on a plasma and get very good PQ. If you want to spend a small fortune on an LED, go for it. I would rather spend less and get PQ that compares well against those high end LEDs. LCD tech has come a long way the last few years. It still isn't that great with off angle viewing and motion. These are two things I think are very important in the buying decision.

The size difference between the models the OP listed is HUGE! For most people a 42" is the minimum size for usual seating distance. I don't think he listed his seating distance which would really help. Either way the OP goes I am sure he will be happy as tech has come a long way the past few years.

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Personally, i went LED based LCD because the price i got it for was right and the blacks are pretty damn good with very little energy usage. One of the biggest factors for me that nobody talks about is the heat. CCFL LCDs and Plasmas make too much heat when combined with an amp, receiver, ps3, powered sub, and cable modem/router. In a small room, it gets uncomfortable. Nice when it's 40 degrees outside, but in socal that is not usually the case.
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I take the reviews of some sites as more of a joke. Blacks measured with a total black screen are only one parameter. Many of the Local Dimming LEDs have unreal blacks in this test. Put on a picture like a star field, and those blacks aren't so inky anymore. Home Theater Magazine at least tells you if those blacks hold up in real world viewing scenarios.

It is best provide both ANSI and Dynamic Range with black and white level values. So we know how much the TVs dims the image.
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Personally, i went LED based LCD because the price i got it for was right and the blacks are pretty damn good with very little energy usage. One of the biggest factors for me that nobody talks about is the heat. CCFL LCDs and Plasmas make too much heat when combined with an amp, receiver, ps3, powered sub, and cable modem/router. In a small room, it gets uncomfortable. Nice when it's 40 degrees outside, but in socal that is not usually the case.

But they double as heater during winter
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But they double as heater during winter

Perhaps if i didn't live in southern california, that would be a plus.
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I went full array local dimming LED-LCD because to get a plasma >=55" that doesn't look grainy, or buzz, I would have to spend more than $2k. The XVT3D554SV, and others, kill the plasmas in its price and size category. Kill. Plasmas seem cheaper, until you realize the cheap ones are cheap because they suck.

LED-LCD - It's quiet as a mouse, sharp, and has really nice contrast. Oh yeah, and I don't have to alternate the freaking pixels on the screen to prevent burn-in.

Did I mention it doesn't buzz?

The best thing to do is check them out yourself, side-by-side. Everyone says not to look at them in a bright store, but they only say that because of contrast - and plasmas need a darker room. Fine. Find a store with a darker room.

edit: after reviewing the actual question in the 1st post (and not just the thread title), you may be able to do okay going cheap plasma. small screen college student budget may change things - greatly. Not sure how small screen prices are doing...
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The Samsung C8000 series have the best PQ in the market right now combined with the nicest design.

Don't buy a old Panasonic plasma, it's old tech.
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