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My parents have decided to get me a TV for my graduation present.I've been doing research on some televisions that have taken my interest with there features. I was looking into a vizio 3d television( e3d470vx ) from Walmart, and a couple of plasma televisions from LG. Plus, I'm also interested in Mitsubishi's dlp televisions and how good their 3d is.

so my concerns for asking for a tv is:

i want less costly set probably under 800$ (limit is 850$)

wattage of the TV

and is 720p worth it over a 1080p set <--- this goes with my concerns with
the lg's i was looking into.

is there 2d to 3d conversion on any of the mitsubishi televisions?

the list of TVs I've looked into
LG:
50pw350 converts 2d to 3d but not 1080p
50pv450 1080P

Mitsubishi:
wd-60c10
wd-60738
is there a dramatic difference between these tv's?

i hope i could be assigned to a guru

i'm looking into a 3d tv because i have a playstation 3 and some horror stuff for my sister's wii like, ju-on the grudge and i was planning on get Insidious on bluray to watch in 3d

now just before i made this post i've just seen a samsung 3d plasma and can anyone shine some light on those ones?

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My best advice: take the money, not a TV set. Then buy the one you like.

This approach is very liberating to both the giver and the recipient. As a beneficiary of your parents' generosity you would feel awkward to ask them for more money if your dream TV is $1000 or more. If you settle for an 850 set you are not crazy about you will immediately suffer from an acute case of upgraditis for which there is no cure other than buying a better set and paying for the depreciation of the one you don't like . Are you prepared to sell or dump at a loss a gift form your parents after a year?

Now as far as the set goes: don't even think about the power consumption. An extra 150W that separates an LCD from a plasma will run 2 cents per hour, at least in the US.

Go with 1080p. Skip 3D. Forget Mitsubishi DLP - it's a fossil. Add a couple of hundred bucks or wait till you save it and stay with Samsung or Panasonic.
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oh thank you! im going to wait for more posts and make an accurate decision. ^_^
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Yup, stay away from Vizio their low end sets are pretty much crap. I second also staying away from 3D, too many issues and there are few games worth it and even less movies. I also agree stick with Panny or Sammy, however at 50" I would not have an issue with 720p over 1080p, there are lots of nice plasmas in your price range and a few LCDs. Heck from time to time you can pick up a base LG 60" plasma for a bit under 1k around here.
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My best advice: take the money, not a TV set. Then buy the one you like.

This approach is very liberating to both the giver and the recipient. As a beneficiary of your parents' generosity you would feel awkward to ask them for more money if your dream TV is $1000 or more. If you settle for an 850 set you are not crazy about you will immediately suffer from an acute case of upgraditis for which there is no cure other than buying a better set and paying for the depreciation of the one you don't like . Are you prepared to sell or dump at a loss a gift form your parents after a year?

Now as far as the set goes: don't even think about the power consumption. An extra 150W that separates an LCD from a plasma will run 2 cents per hour, at least in the US.

Go with 1080p. Skip 3D. Forget Mitsubishi DLP - it's a fossil. Add a couple of hundred bucks or wait till you save it and stay with Samsung or Panasonic.

Now why would dlp be considered a fossil? Both plasma and lcd have been around for over a decade, are they fossils now too? Both samsung and panasonic, while making awesome sets are far from perfect.

generally speaking dlp does not have any of the negatives that plasma and lcd have? No buzzing, no motion blur, no real viewing angle issues (unless you get to extreme angles), no gaming lag. I am a plasma fan, but this time around I researched and got the best set I could for my price, one 65in mitsu shipped to my door for less then $800.

DLP does have its own quirks, but nuts down bang for the buck you get a very very good television. Who cares if I cant mount it to the wall....and do you know how many lights I would have to buy in order to reach the cost of a comparable 65in television....I dont either, but the set would likely be retired before I come close.

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now just before i made this post i've just seen a samsung 3d plasma and can anyone shine some light on those ones?

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Another advice: For user reviews go to Amazon as they, the reviewers and their reviews, are more objective than you will find here. Based on what I just read there, PN50C490B3D is a great set.

So I have to correct myself. If it's 1080p and 2D or 720p and 3D, take 3D.

Also: Try not to buy from a store that does not have a 30-day unconditional return policy. If something goes wrong, a store without such a policy will send you on a mind-boggling trip to the manufacturer. Get it in writing.
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the samsungs have the 2d to 3d conversion and i read on amazon that it does it well.
On a best buy review for the PN51D490A1D has a small buzzing noise when it reaches a high contrasting image.
im upset because i cant find any info on those samsung plasmas' watt count.
the 1080p lg plasma only consumes 145 watts and it would help if i knew samsungs.
research i had done before says that 720p plasmas use lesser energy than a 1080p.
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the samsungs have the 2d to 3d conversion and i read on amazon that it does it well.
On a best buy review for the PN51D490A1D has a small buzzing noise when it reaches a high contrasting image.
im upset because i cant find any info on those samsung plasmas' watt count.
the 1080p lg plasma only consumes 145 watts and it would help if i knew samsungs.
research i had done before says that 720p plasmas use lesser energy than a 1080p.

I wouldn't worry about the wattage that much as typically a plasma may run $1.00 to $2.00 a month more than a comparable LCD. That's $24.00 or less per year and there are easier ways to save energy around the house if that's a concern. Here's some ratings from Crutchfield:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-krQlBDz.../TV-power.html
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thank you thats really helpful for me and my mom ^^
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maybe if i tweek the sharpness of the samsung plasma maybe it wouldnt look so 720p-ish. i wonder if that'll work?
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I'm really liking the PN51D490A1D because its a new model and I'm really liking price, plus, i'll be able to use the 20$ gift card that my aunt gave me for best buy.

the amount of pixels is 1366 x 768 and i think if i just de-sharpen the image it won't look so pixely. the size of my room is about 11.1/2 x 12ft. would i notice any pixels?
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increasing viewing distance helps more than anything else. Typically on a 50ish" set the difference between 720 and 1080 is hard to see from 10-12 feet or more--ymmv.

Turning sharpness down rather than up will produce a smoother image with less jaggedness due to lower pixel count. Going up will only make the picture more grainy and exaggerate the visibility of the coarser pixel structure.

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If you watch 1080i TV programs or Blue ray disks then halve of the detail has to be eliminated to display it on a 720p TV and you can't control if the detail that gets eliminated is not the more important detail. Therefore the video will be softer especially if the TV just merges the eliminated pixels with the uneliminated pixels. Certainly if you are watching 720p TV programs like ABC, FOX and ESPN then at 12 feet on a 50" 720P you are probably better off then if you have a 1080p set
And yes with digiital programing Sharpness should be set to 0.
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The difference between 1080p and 720p on a 40-50" panel is difficult to see at best. If you sit on top of the display you might notice a bit more detail, but not a substantial amount. I set my 42" 720p set next to my 50" 1080p set and had a very difficult time seeing the difference in detail, it's there but much less noticeable than you would think. If you are more than 5-6' away from the display I seriously doubt all but the most eagle eyed viewer would notice the difference. It's more psychological than visual..
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i played final fantasy XIII before my ps3 broke.

this is it 1080p (actual game output)
http://gamingdead.com/wp-content/upl..._Confirmed.jpg

and it in the amount of pixels the samsung television has
http://jootix.com/upload/DesktopWall...y-1366x768.jpg

there's an incy wincy, itsy bitsy difference in the switching of the both pictures when applying them as my desktop.

wow. you guys are probably right that 1080p is second to the recommendations you guys made.

but..... my monitor is only 1440 x 900 pixel maybe thats why the changes are subtle.
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i did the distance test look at the post in this thread that i had done with images from Final Fantasy XIII. A 1080p game and can you tell me what you think when set as your wall paper ?
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guys i went to best buy today to go see the television and wow i fell in love <333333! thank you so much you guys for the information. what i did as well was stand at a distance and seen no difference in between the 1080p model and my television, so i thought that was really cool. i cant wait to get it and! for a plasma its only uses 138 watts of energy. even better!

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