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Better yet someone should ebay the bluray 2d copy at the same time as the 3d one separately for a handful of titles and see what happens ( or the extra excuses afterwards even )
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Consumers have demanded both be included in pretty big numbers. They have a BluRay player, and then a DVD in the car or whatnot.
So a $4 premium.
You could eBay the first one?!?

* I see what you mean about the DVD copy included. It probably costs less to give the majority what they want.

* And I thought it was a pretty good deal getting the 3D wizard for $20. It is a very small premium to pay for the 3D version.

* And that's not a bad idea about the extra Star Trek Bluray package. I have to look and see what people are getting for it. I didn't even see the 3D version at the show so I'd really like to see it.
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The opening scene of Star Trek: Into Darkness was very cool in 3-D. One of the best bits of 3-D I saw all year.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I've got an awesome 3DTV, 4 sets of glasses, 78 3D Blu Rays, and several 3D compatable games.

It can go away now and I'll still be loving it for years.... biggrin.gif

I'm glad I got it while I had the chance. tongue.gif
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I'm not convinced that 3d will become the new defacto format, but I am convinced that it is here to stay as more than a gimmick.
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* I see what you mean about the DVD copy included. It probably costs less to give the majority what they want.

* And I thought it was a pretty good deal getting the 3D wizard for $20. It is a very small premium to pay for the 3D version.

* And that's not a bad idea about the extra Star Trek Bluray package. I have to look and see what people are getting for it. I didn't even see the 3D version at the show so I'd really like to see it.

I really wonder if they started to include the DVD because of too many returns? In other words, Joe Consumer picks up the movie at a store and has no clue s/he bought a BluRay, only to get home and find it will not play.

How much extra does it really cost them to include it? A dollar maybe?

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* I see what you mean about the DVD copy included. It probably costs less to give the majority what they want.

* And I thought it was a pretty good deal getting the 3D wizard for $20. It is a very small premium to pay for the 3D version.

* And that's not a bad idea about the extra Star Trek Bluray package. I have to look and see what people are getting for it. I didn't even see the 3D version at the show so I'd really like to see it.

I really wonder if they started to include the DVD because of too many returns? In other words, Joe Consumer picks up the movie at a store and has no clue s/he bought a BluRay, only to get home and find it will not play.

How much extra does it really cost them to include it? A dollar maybe?

Just a thought

 

No, I'm fairly certain that once they've started charging a premium they were then trying to make it look as "worth it" as possible.  This is easy to foist on most folks psychologically.  Even I end up feeling that the "4 disk version" is more valuable somehow than the single disk that would be the only one I would ever watch.


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I wonder if there should be a section under the classifieds subforum here dedicated to the selling of private sales of blu-rays.  I would love to post my Blu-Rays that I would never watch that came along for the ride for a discount *without* the hassle of ebay or selling through amazon.  It might become a frequented spot.  Dunno.


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I wonder if there should be a section under the classifieds subforum here dedicated to the selling of private sales of blu-rays.  I would love to post my Blu-Rays that I would never watch that came along for the ride for a discount *without* the hassle of ebay or selling through amazon.  It might become a frequented spot.  Dunno.
Good idea. Seconded.
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No, I'm fairly certain that once they've started charging a premium they were then trying to make it look as "worth it" as possible.  This is easy to foist on most folks psychologically.  Even I end up feeling that the "4 disk version" is more valuable somehow than the single disk that would be the only one I would ever watch.
I see what you mean.
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More bad news for 3D movement: Vizio dropped 3D for all 2014 sets. Only LG's 2014 Plasma Flagship is 3D capable.
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Only LG's 2014 Plasma Flagship is 3D capable.

 

Vizio is known, but I can't find that LG info anywhere.  Where did you hear it?


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Only LG's 2014 Plasma Flagship is 3D capable.

Vizio is known, but I can't find that LG info anywhere.  Where did you hear it?
just google LG 2014 Plasma CES smile.gif


CES 2014, LG product lines announcement
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/01/06/reviewed-lg-debuts-ces/4339427/
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Only LG's 2014 Plasma Flagship is 3D capable.

Vizio is known, but I can't find that LG info anywhere.  Where did you hear it?
just google LG 2014 Plasma CES smile.gif


CES 2014, LG product lines announcement
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/01/06/reviewed-lg-debuts-ces/4339427/

 

I did that.  Wait, I understand the disconnect.  You were saying that of all the LG plasma's, only one was 3D.

 

To be clear (as mentioned in your link): Their entire UHD line is 3D capable, as is one of their OLEDs.  (and one plasma model).
 

I'm guessing this is because they've downgraded the 1080p's to the budget "720p of last year" category.


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^thats great news for 3d indeed. Looks like only the budget brands and models will be without 3d.
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^thats great news for 3d indeed. Looks like only the budget brands and models will be without 3d.

How is it great news that the majority if LG sets sold will not have 3D? (Not the majority of models, the majority of sets.)

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^thats great news for 3d indeed. Looks like only the budget brands and models will be without 3d.

How is it great news that the majority if LG sets sold will not have 3D? (Not the majority of models, the majority of sets.)

 

It isn't.  But he's likely looking at it the way I am in that 1080 is the new budget "720" model of prior years, and that 3D is still offered for the technology that the company is moving toward.  If 3D is to be left out of something, I'm rather glad it's not left out of what the company considers to be the latest and greatest.

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It isn't.  But he's likely looking at it the way I am in that 1080 is the new budget "720" model of prior years, and that 3D is still offered for the technology that the company is moving toward.  If 3D is to be left out of something, I'm rather glad it's not left out of what the company considers to be the latest and greatest.

Good point. I hadn't even considered that thought.

Still, if it is a matter of a bit of circuitry that has now already become part of the assembly routine, and the expensive end of the "retooling" has been done I wish it could have remained in the whole line, and considered another part of what each television can do.

It didn't need to become even more of a niche item; and not available to the major portion of the buying public.
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,..and considered another part of what each television can do.
Yes, one would think that. But no, 3D not in budget brands and cheap TVs. The same will probably happen to UHD..
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FWIW, I've started a thread (and maintaining a list in the top post) of the 2014 TV models and what their resolution is, and if they're passive-3D, active-3D, or no-3D.

 

2014 ---3D TVs List--- ...Passive / Active / and no-3D

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^thats great news for 3d indeed. Looks like only the budget brands and models will be without 3d.


How is it great news that the majority if LG sets sold will not have 3D? (Not the majority of models, the majority of sets.)

It isn't.  But he's likely looking at it the way I am in that 1080 is the new budget "720" model of prior years, and that 3D is still offered for the technology that the company is moving toward.  If 3D is to be left out of something, I'm rather glad it's not left out of what the company considers to be the latest and greatest.

you said it right. I like that they aren't wasting time with 1080 3d research or investment. I like that 3d is a discriminator now. I also like that people have the choice. If someone doesn't want 3d and 4k, they can buy the bargain bin set.

IMO 4k promises a slight improvement to 2d displays, but represents a huge improvement for 3d presentations, especially passive ones, and projector based setups.
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Many of those posts above were excellent and so I upvoted a lot of them. Good, sober, intelligent thoughts on the state of 3D, guys.

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flatpanelshd comments on Sony's 2014 line-up.

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When you glance over Sony's 2014 TV line-up, you will notice that Sony is putting very, very little emphasis on 3D. Not because it is left out, simply because it is no longer a selling point any longer. As far as the TV industry is concerned 3D is as good as dead. It did not catch on with consumers so TV makers have moved on to 4K and ''Smart TV''. Still, all of Sony's 2014 TVs from the 8 series and up are 3D capable - some active, some passive.
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When you glance over Sony's 2014 TV line-up, you will notice that Sony is putting very, very little emphasis on 3D. Not because it is left out, simply because it is no longer a selling point any longer. As far as the TV industry is concerned 3D is as good as dead. It did not catch on with consumers so TV makers have moved on to 4K and ''Smart TV''. Still, all of Sony's 2014 TVs from the 8 series and up are 3D capable - some active, some passive.

 

"low emphasis on 3D" <--- sure.

"low emphasis on 3D" = "3D is as good as dead" <---completely baseless and mindnumbingly broken logic.

 

Again, such decreasing emphasis is completely true of any technology that has been placed on the back burner because of other marketing nuts to crack.  You don't see them emphasizing LED lighting any longer the way they used to....it's a done deal now.  Must be the case that LED is as good as dead.  Regarding 3D: They have much newer concepts to sell the public on right now.  Companies have only so much focus and energy to go around.  Seriously, people are attempting conclusions as if the above marketing emphasis datum makes its own argument.  It does not.


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"low emphasis on 3D" <--- sure.
"low emphasis on 3D" = "3D is as good as dead" <---completely baseless and mindnumbingly broken logic.

Again, such decreasing emphasis is completely true of any technology that has been placed on the back burner because of other marketing nuts to crack.  You don't see them emphasizing LED lighting any longer the way they used to....it's a done deal now.  Must be the case that LED is as good as dead.  Regarding 3D: They have much newer concepts to sell the public on right now.  Companies have only so much focus and energy to go around.  Seriously, people are attempting conclusions as if the above marketing emphasis datum makes its own argument.  It does not.

''low emphasis on 3D'' is a Sony related remark. ''3D is as good as death'' is a TV industry related remark.

flatpanelhd's comment indicates that the TV buyer is no longer specifically asking for a 3D capable TV.
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3D and the movies

2014 will have 28 films in 3D, down from 34 last year and a peak of 39 in 2011. An analist predicts 3D showings to account for just 39% of the total box office for films released in 3D in 2014, the lowest ratio in seven years and down from 42% in 2013 and 53% in 2012.

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2014 will have 28 films in 3D, down from 34 last year and a peak of 39 in 2011. An analist predicts 3D showings to account for just 39% of the total box office for films released in 3D in 2014, the lowest ratio in seven years and down from 42% in 2013 and 53% in 2012.

 

......and not all 3D films are created equal.  I still contend that what we're seeing is a weeding out of the schlock 3D films.  People aren't interested in shlock 3D.

 

Those films, the ones that were 3D for 3D sake, the gimmicky ones, were doomed for a short lifespan because the public is over being wowed by 3D for 3D sake.  They've seen stuff in front of them now.  They're over that part.  What they're not over, nor will ever be over if the content quality like Avatar and Gravity continue, is 3D done properly that seemlessly and quietly pulls you into the storyline.  Not pulls the rocks, leaves, and teeth gratuitously into the theater.

 

Quite frankly, the dropping of the sily 3D is fine by me.  Bring on the 3D from the guys that know better.  I don't care if it's one every two years.

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I agree on less junk 3-D. But I bet you the 3-D attach rare (portion of tix sold in 3-D for movies available in 3-D), which has been dropping every year, will set a record low again this year.

The portion of TVs with 3-D capability will fall this year for the first time since 3-D came out, as well, thanks to Vizio dropping the feature.

It's hard to make any claims that this is a technology that (a) failed to catch fire (b) has more or less already peaked.

That doesn't mean it's disappearing over night. But further marginalization seems very likely. And home viewing -- which is already infinitesimal -- is not going to pick up noticeably at any point this decade.

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