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View Poll Results: When is the LAST year that curved TVs for the home will be offered? Or will it always be with us?
Always offered. They are here to stay as long as a technology like OLED is around that can support it. 15 21.13%
2013 11 15.49%
2014 22 30.99%
2015 13 18.31%
2016 5 7.04%
(Some later year) 5 7.04%
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Just a silly little poll.  Do the recent curved TVs (OLED's) have staying power as a concept?

 

A good number of AVSers seem fairly convinced that the idea is founded in stupidity.

 

What's the last year they will be offered?


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I think it's founded in a strange kind of venality, compounded with man-parts measuring, compounded with stupidity.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I think it's founded in a strange kind of venality, compounded with man-parts measuring, compounded with stupidity.

You mean it sounds like it has staying power?

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I think the curved screens will likely stick around but move to larger sizes where they make more sense. I wouldn't mind someday replacing my front projection screen with that kind of setup. There is a reason curved screens have been used in theaters for decades.
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There is a reason curved screens have been used in theaters for decades.
And that's to compensate for lens' geometric (pincushion) distortions. And also to compensate for the brightness loss in corners on CRT projectors.
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You mean it sounds like it has staying power?

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I think the curved screens will likely stick around but move to larger sizes where they make more sense. I wouldn't mind someday replacing my front projection screen with that kind of setup. There is a reason curved screens have been used in theaters for decades.

It would be better in big sizes, but it gets much harder to manufacture in larger sizes, so I think it's even less likely in those. The box size gets larger very fast. The processing steps get a lot harder to handle. The one intriguing thing is that the closer to one-per-substrate, the less important it is that you can really mass produce these. The part where you try to make 8, 55" screens on an 8G sheet that are curved is inherently going to cost a fortune compared to making flat ones...

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I must have missed all the clamor of complaints from millions of HDTV owners about how much they hated that their TV panels were just too flat!

It reminds me of something out of Spinal Tap. "These go to eleven".

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The current distribution of this poll is interesting to me.  8/10 think this thing is a goner before 2017.  6/10 think that after next year it's dead.  2/10 think it's here to stay.


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The problem with this poll is that most people responding have never even seen a curved screen. They are jumping to conclusion based on prejudice. I've only seen them in a projection setup and find there are definite advantages. For TV usage, I'm unsure until I test one. If nothing else, a curved screen would let you fit a larger panel in the same width space while losing some depth. I will agree 100% that it's the wrong form factor to launch with.
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The problem with this poll is that most people responding have never even seen a curved screen.

 

That's not a "problem" with the poll at all.  The goal of a poll is to get a read on what people think (biased, prejudiced, learned, or whatever).  I'm really interested in posting another poll slightly later "For those who have seen one: will it die off, and when?"

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Interesting.  57% of the poll takers are convinced that curved TVs have their final days by 2014.

 

I always wonder what threads the manufacturers pay attention to (if any).  Not the silly polls like this one of course, but they might learn something from the conversations in AVS.


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When I first heard about curved, I thought it means drastically curved where you could sit near it and something be all around you. I don't see what in the world the point is to having some gentle curve to it. How could anything look realistic? (eh, I misworded that, but I still meant steeper curve is what I thought, although how that could have been useful I don't know either).
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When I first heard about curved, I thought it means drastically curved where you could sit near it and something be all around you. I don't see what in the world the point is to having some gentle curve to it. How could anything look realistic? (eh, I misworded that, but I still meant steeper curve is what I thought, although how that could have been useful I don't know either).

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If the market supported it, why not? Now it isn´t impossible to sell too big smartphones for jeans pockets? There was a time all people wanted the smallest and lightest mobile phone and now?
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Cant really vote since i have never sat in front of one.When I was a child my family used to go every year to the Cinerama theater in Boston and that was a huge curved screen and very effective.OLEd screens over 60 inches might benefit from this curve if viewed close in a small room.

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Speaking of smallness... I tried to sell someone my Sony hx929 when he was over here visiting and he said he was tempted to buy it because of how thin it is and I was like ummm you haven't looked at the picture on it. He apparently had no desire to see the picture, just the thinness. lol
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The current distribution of this poll is interesting to me.  8/10 think this thing is a goner before 2017.  6/10 think that after next year it's dead.  2/10 think it's here to stay.

Your numbers don't add up.

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The current distribution of this poll is interesting to me.  8/10 think this thing is a goner before 2017.  6/10 think that after next year it's dead.  2/10 think it's here to stay.

Your numbers don't add up.

 

You understand of course that the number of total posts INCREASES over time???????  My use of "Current" is of course glued to the point when my post was made (10 votes).  My numbers were spot on.  Unless of course you're not reading what I wrote in the first place: The ranges I was listing were clearing overlapping.


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Speaking of smallness... I tried to sell someone my Sony hx929 when he was over here visiting and he said he was tempted to buy it because of how thin it is and I was like ummm you haven't looked at the picture on it. He apparently had no desire to see the picture, just the thinness. lol

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And that's to compensate for lens' geometric (pincushion) distortions. And also to compensate for the brightness loss in corners on CRT projectors.
And improves the viewing angle for people in the far side and corner seats.

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something to consider:

my guess is these panels started out as flat and at some point the panel manufacturers decided it would be better curved: after all that is one thing you can do with relative ease with OLED panels: not so with LCD or plasma (and CRT's have a curve too)

So there has to be a reason they curved them: perhaps they will be more widely accepted: until they get into the marketplace and we have some feedback, who knows? there is no flat 55 OLED to compare them to... just saying it is something to consider...
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something to consider:

my guess is these panels started out as flat and at some point the panel manufacturers decided it would be better curved: after all that is one thing you can do with relative ease with OLED panels: not so with LCD or plasma (and CRT's have a curve too)

So there has to be a reason they curved them: perhaps they will be more widely accepted: until they get into the marketplace and we have some feedback, who knows? there is no flat 55 OLED to compare them to... just saying it is something to consider...

According to this video from LG, they set out to design a curved display to make a new stylish fashion statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f9C3nNmMig

Of course, since it is LG telling the tale, it probably is just more of their usual bovine manure.
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Never? I'm hoping Sony makes "retro" Trinitron EL displays eventually. Imagine a convex 4:3 OLED panel in a 90s CRT case! biggrin.giftongue.gif

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So there has to be a reason they curved them: perhaps they will be more widely accepted: until they get into the marketplace and we have some feedback, who knows? there is no flat 55 OLED to compare them to... just saying it is something to consider...

I think we're all sort of assuming the curve is there strictly for artistic reasons. You make a good point. Without seeing the flat version next to the curved one of the exact same model we can't be sure what was gained/lost by this decision. I think Robert from VE stated that they had the opportunity to do such a comparison and people preferred the curved one. I for one, need to see it in person before declaring it a total showstopper for a potential purchase.

They really should have left the decision to the customer by offering both - instead they are trying to create a curved market by force.
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So there has to be a reason they curved them: perhaps they will be more widely accepted: until they get into the marketplace and we have some feedback, who knows? there is no flat 55 OLED to compare them to... just saying it is something to consider...

I think we're all sort of assuming the curve is there strictly for artistic reasons. You make a good point. Without seeing the flat version next to the curved one of the exact same model we can't be sure what was gained/lost by this decision. I think Robert from VE stated that they had the opportunity to do such a comparison and people preferred the curved one. I for one, need to see it in person before declaring it a total showstopper for a potential purchase.

They really should have left the decision to the customer by offering both - instead they are trying to create a curved market by force.

 

They could make the bezel and chassis out of rubber....


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They could make the bezel and chassis out of rubber....

When people are focusing more on the curved panel innovation than on the merits of the supposedly revolutionary OLED display qualities, that is not really a very good distraction to be thrown at potential customers. They are violating the KISS principle.

It reminds me of the old joke about the guy who won an Olympic Gold Medal, and his mother was so delighted with his accomplishment, that she tried to draw more attention to it by having his Gold Medal Bronzed!
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I think we're all sort of assuming the curve is there strictly for artistic reasons. You make a good point. Without seeing the flat version next to the curved one of the exact same model we can't be sure what was gained/lost by this decision. I think Robert from VE stated that they had the opportunity to do such a comparison and people preferred the curved one. I for one, need to see it in person before declaring it a total showstopper for a potential purchase.

They really should have left the decision to the customer by offering both - instead they are trying to create a curved market by force.

LG is saying that they designed their curved set for Artistic Reasons. Watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f9C3nNmMig

The designer who said she came up with the concept, even says that she met with a lot of resistance at first from those who said it could not be done.
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something to consider:

my guess is these panels started out as flat and at some point the panel manufacturers decided it would be better curved: after all that is one thing you can do with relative ease with OLED panels: not so with LCD or plasma (and CRT's have a curve too)

So there has to be a reason they curved them: perhaps they will be more widely accepted: until they get into the marketplace and we have some feedback, who knows? there is no flat 55 OLED to compare them to... just saying it is something to consider...

The reason is to stand out in a store full of flat panels. It's not because they wanted TVs with smaller sweet spots. Or because they wanted TVs you can't wall mount. Or TVs that require a deeper credenza. It's because they planned on charging a fortune and they wanted them to stand out. I wish there was some grand plan, but there isn't.

And if one company hadn't done it, the other would not have done it.
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According to this video from LG, they set out to design a curved display to make a new stylish fashion statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f9C3nNmMig

Of course, since it is LG telling the tale, it probably is just more of their usual bovine manure.

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I think we're all sort of assuming the curve is there strictly for artistic reasons. You make a good point. Without seeing the flat version next to the curved one of the exact same model we can't be sure what was gained/lost by this decision. I think Robert from VE stated that they had the opportunity to do such a comparison and people preferred the curved one. I for one, need to see it in person before declaring it a total showstopper for a potential purchase.

They really should have left the decision to the customer by offering both - instead they are trying to create a curved market by force.

Making two early would've been even worse. Design is about making choices.
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When people are focusing more on the curved panel innovation than on the merits of the supposedly revolutionary OLED display qualities, that is not really a very good distraction to be thrown at potential customers. They are violating the KISS principle.

You're kind of on a roll lately with good observations.

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LG is saying that they designed their curved set for Artistic Reasons. Watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f9C3nNmMig

The designer who said she came up with the concept, even says that she met with a lot of resistance at first from those who said it could not be done.

 

Good grief.  Of COURSE a bored artist is going to want to design something different from everyone else.  All architects dream of building the structure that makes a bold statement.  This idea is so ridiculous that I'm now scared to death of seeing it and actually liking the thing.


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Good grief.  Of COURSE a bored artist is going to want to design something different from everyone else.  All architects dream of building the structure that makes a bold statement.  This idea is so ridiculous that I'm now scared to death of seeing it and actually liking the thing.



Louis Sullivan, the great Chicago Architect, laid down the principle that Form should follow Function, and not the other way around. Lately we have seen TV panel designers putting the cart before the horse. This LG design lady did just that. She drew up a curved housing design, and then required the tech engineers to come up with technology that would work in it. Never mind if it made practical marketing sense or not. Being Avant-Garde is all that mattered. Something that John Lennon once observed is French for BS.
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