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View Poll Results: When can I buy an 84" 4K OLED set for $5000?
2015 1 3.13%
2016 1 3.13%
2017 10 31.25%
2018 4 12.50%
2019 13 40.63%
Never 3 9.38%
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post #1 of 12 Old 09-06-2013, 09:34 AM - Thread Starter
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The 84" LG 4K led-LCD can now be had for under $10k. I figure in 2015 it (or more accurately its successor) will be $5k. Possible sooner, say thanksgiving 2014.

So what say you for timing of same except OLED rather than led-LCD ?

I think 2017.

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I vote 2019, but I think the real good quality OLED with 4K models will come later than that. Innovation has slowed in recent years.

I expect some decent durable quality OLEDs with "worth it" pricing by 2016 to 2017. I just don't think there will be enough 4K content that can fill at least 33% of my viewing time until 2020 or later. For me, OLED is far more important until then. But there is a reason OLEDs are already late and a reason why the first models were made with quirky designs that will prevent a lot of people from buying them. A lot more innovation needs to be done before large OLEDs with meet the quality and reliability bar at a price that will allow it to take a large chunk of the market share.
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2017 sounds very optimistic. I hope you're right, however and it's possible that once the technology actually enters mass production (as opposed to whatever you want to call the current state of affairs, but please don't call it mass production) that things will begin to happen more quickly. The fact that the LCDs in question are still twice your goal and OLEDs are 4x good LCDs with 1/4 the resolution gives me caution on saying 4 years is doable.

But that said, I'll buy one happily that soon.

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Yeah I'm an optimistic guy smile.gif

And I certainly haven't kept up with the tribulations of OLED production (except to know that it's taken a long time!)

Rogo when do you think the 84" 4K led-lcds will street for $5k? Already under $10k. I could see thanksgiving sales in 2014 possibly dipping that low.

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Yeah I'm an optimistic guy smile.gif

And I certainly haven't kept up with the tribulations of OLED production (except to know that it's taken a long time!)

Rogo when do you think the 84" 4K led-lcds will street for $5k? Already under $10k. I could see thanksgiving sales in 2014 possibly dipping that low.

Black Friday-ish 2014 is believable. I guess I'd be pleasantly surprised if it's that soon, but not at all shocked. Normally, on advanced category products, we're lucky to get 30% price declines over a year. That would imply 2 more years before the 84" is $5K. Also, it's a niche product.

The flip side is that the 80" Sharp is only ~$4000 at mass market pricing. So the idea of a ~$5000 84" is not far fetched. And I've long believed that the incremental price of 4K resolution will fall to zero.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Black Friday-ish 2014 is believable. I guess I'd be pleasantly surprised if it's that soon, but not at all shocked. Normally, on advanced category products, we're lucky to get 30% price declines over a year. That would imply 2 more years before the 84" is $5K. Also, it's a niche product.

The flip side is that the 80" Sharp is only ~$4000 at mass market pricing. So the idea of a ~$5000 84" is not far fetched. And I've long believed that the incremental price of 4K resolution will fall to zero.

Say it ain't so Rogo. They got you believing they can even mass produce an 84" 4K OLED by late 2014, and for $5000 no less. Someone drank the grape Kool-Aid.
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I think you misunderstood....he was referring to LCD-LED.
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I think you misunderstood....he was referring to LCD-LED.

Correct.

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I think you misunderstood....he was referring to LCD-LED.

Ahh, that makes more sense, but still a little off. LG Displays is one of the few companies actually making an 84" 4K panel. They are used in the 84" 4K LG, Sony, JVC, Toshiba, Phillips and even the Indian brand VU. Samsung has the FALD 85" 4K for $30,000, but who else is even making reasonably priced 84" 4K panels? I say by Black Friday 2014 the best you will find would be $6-7K
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Sytech the LG already streets under $10k and we aren't even at Black Friday 2013 yet. These are sets that all started at $15k and $20k only severał months ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see $7k at Black Friday this year as they try to clear channels for the replacement/2014/hdmi 2.0 equipped sets.

Mark - totally agreed about the incremental cost of 4K going to zero. Just like 1080 replaced 720, it'll just become the norm at all price points.

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Sytech the LG already streets under $10k and we aren't even at Black Friday 2013 yet. These are sets that all started at $15k and $20k only severał months ago. I wouldn't be surprised to see $7k at Black Friday this year as they try to clear channels for the replacement/2014/hdmi 2.0 equipped sets.

Mark - totally agreed about the incremental cost of 4K going to zero. Just like 1080 replaced 720, it'll just become the norm at all price points.

I realize that 4K does not actually add a lot in cost and has more to do with low volume than anything else, but LG Displays is pretty much the only company making these 84" 4K panels, and there is just not a huge demand yet for 80" plus displays. I am sure demand will pick up as prices fall, but I would be willing to wager we will NOT see $7000 84" 4K by this year's Black Friday.
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