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Full screen whites are worse than plasma due to aggressive ABL, IMO. The TV itself can display brighter whites in portions of the screen than plasma but not just whole screen whites which is more like a mid-level gray.
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^ Do other owners agree with this?
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Aggressive ABL is mentioned @ page 1 IIRC.
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Dull muddy looking whole screen whites is what has turned me off to plasma. I prefer whiter whites to blacker blacks for general viewing.

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It'll be interesting to see if the Gen 2 sets DO deliver less aggressive ABL and higher maximum luminance, as appears might be the case.

Also, as regards IR, it's worth noting the hypothesis that this may be an issue common to ALL LG sets, including LCDs, due to weaker backplane technology, and that it's not necessarily linked to the OLED cells. I remember this time last year reading an initial review for the Samsung OLED sets in which it was put through a stress test with a prolonged static image, and that it showed no sign of retention. Meanwhile, a recent review of an LG LCD reported IR.

As it is, reports from people buying more recent LG OLED sets with a March manufacturing date suggest it may be less of a problem for them, or now no problem at all.

Once again, bring on the testing of the Gen 2 sets.

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As it is, reports from people buying more recent LG OLED sets with a March manufacturing date suggest it may be less of a problem for them, or now no problem at all.
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I think it is a coincidence, as everyone really started buying these units with the huge price drops at that point in time. Especially in the last 60 days.......
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I'd like to see one of these on display. Don't seem to be any dealers with these in stock here locally in the Grand Rapids, Mi. area. All we have is Best Buy and Paul's TV neither of which carries OLED locally.
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FWIW, they had 'em in their stores on the other side of the state (at least as of a few weeks ago).
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I think it is a coincidence, as everyone really started buying these units with the huge price drops at that point in time. Especially in the last 60 days.......
It's possible, but it's been interesting to see a general consensus form on the AVForums after steady sales that there HAS been an improvement in the quality of the sets, with better or now even nigh-on perfect screen uniformity, the disappearance of that central rectangular greyscale shape which seemingly resulted from the backplane and few or zero sub-pixel problems.

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Full screen whites are worse than plasma due to aggressive ABL, IMO. The TV itself can display brighter whites in portions of the screen than plasma but not just whole screen whites which is more like a mid-level gray.
If this is the case, I would not want one. But of course to be fair I'd have to view one of these side by side with a HU9000 or similar.
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I think it is a coincidence, as everyone really started buying these units with the huge price drops at that point in time. Especially in the last 60 days.......
Agree with this, jan build date here

This set is not without faults, but the fact that I have to go look for them on slides and am not seeing them on content is somewhat comforting

Both my panny plasmas had ir the second you booted them on(viera logo), both have burn in, all are visible during content

My lcds have all the typical issues associated with them(dse, off angle pq drop, etc)

This set has been fantastic, best pq I have seen, hope it holds up over time
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FWIW, they had 'em in their stores on the other side of the state (at least as of a few weeks ago).
Apparently G.R. is considered a smaller market. And not sold here. But I imagine they'll become more prolific by this time next year or Christmas.
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It's possible, but it's been interesting to see a general consensus form on the AVForums after steady sales that there HAS been an improvement in the quality of the sets, with better or now even nigh-on perfect screen uniformity, the disappearance of that central rectangular greyscale shape which seemingly resulted from the backplane and few or zero sub-pixel problems.

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The central rectangular greyscale shape is still there. You just have to know how to spot them (dark room with dark grey slide). I don't believe LG made much of change in production.
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The central rectangular greyscale shape is still there. You just have to know how to spot them (dark room with dark grey slide). I don't believe LG made much of change in production.

I'd direct you to the owners on AVForums who have run greyscales at a range of percentages on their March and April build sets and found no evidence of the rectangular shape - one even posting pictures to prove this.

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I can't see it as first until I view it at night with no lights.
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I can't see it as first until I view it at night with no lights.
my gray slides dont pick it up, but the gray screen on the youtube loading screen does
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my gray slides dont pick it up, but the gray screen on the youtube loading screen does

seems pretty subtle/inconsequential in any case.


Are you guys watching letterbox content without a care? Several letterbox movies in a row without the smallest signs of IR? Or do you see it but it disappears on it's own by the next day?
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As mentioned before, I simply turn off the TV and any faint IR if any will go away.
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As mentioned before, I simply turn off the TV and any faint IR if any will go away.

Thanks. And are you ever 'being careful' with what you watch? No multiple letterbox movies in a row, full screen content following letterbox content, etc...
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I have owned my 9800 for about six weeks now. Since I first posted about the TV, I have simply watched content. No test patterns, no special burn - in procedures, no looking for flaws, no restrictions on what I watch on it.


I have to say, if anything, I am more impressed now after six weeks of watching. I have seen no issues in anything I have watched on it that was not in the source material. White whites, blackest blacks, great color, depth and dimensionality. Simply an awesome picture. From a sit down and simply use it viewpoint, there is none better I have seen.


The curve? Wife loves it. I feel it is marketing. I do have to say it has had one advantage. Our viewing room has lots of light at various times in the day. My Pioneer Elite Plasma would have significant reflection of light off the screen at different times. The curve has broken up those reflections to a surprising degree. Enough so that it would be hard to give up the lack of reflections.


I did find the sound weak so I bought a sound bar for it, I hate the magic remote, but I got the codes into my programmable remote so everything works fine there. Otherwise, nothing.


I bless the day Microcenter sold me this for $2k.
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It's hard to believe that a burning logo like on the History Channel wouldn't show some IR.

But if not, great.
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I have owned my 9800 for about six weeks now. Since I first posted about the TV, I have simply watched content. No test patterns, no special burn - in procedures, no looking for flaws, no restrictions on what I watch on it.


I have to say, if anything, I am more impressed now after six weeks of watching. I have seen no issues in anything I have watched on it that was not in the source material. White whites, blackest blacks, great color, depth and dimensionality. Simply an awesome picture. From a sit down and simply use it viewpoint, there is none better I have seen.


The curve? Wife loves it. I feel it is marketing. I do have to say it has had one advantage. Our viewing room has lots of light at various times in the day. My Pioneer Elite Plasma would have significant reflection of light off the screen at different times. The curve has broken up those reflections to a surprising degree. Enough so that it would be hard to give up the lack of reflections.


I did find the sound weak so I bought a sound bar for it, I hate the magic remote, but I got the codes into my programmable remote so everything works fine there. Otherwise, nothing.


I bless the day Microcenter sold me this for $2k.

User reviews like this are very encouraging. Any other happy owners' with a 'care-free' experience please chime in - it's always so much easier for those experiencing issues or having concerns to put energy into these boards, but especially for cutting-edge technologies like these WOLEDs, any effort put into letting us lurkers know about trouble-free user experience is equally valuable.


Thanks for putting in the effort and taking the time.
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seems pretty subtle/inconsequential in any case.


Are you guys watching letterbox content without a care? Several letterbox movies in a row without the smallest signs of IR? Or do you see it but it disappears on it's own by the next day?
i dont think its true ir or its very faint ir, but its very inconsistent.
i dont worry about LB movies, I have watched several in a row without concern.

i do need to correct an earlier statement i made, I can see the outline of the back panel on darker gray slides. I can also see some uneveness on the right hand side of the screen, the gray appears darker, like the outline of the back panel. I did not see any LB IR on any of the slides
i think its safe to say i have a little white and gray uniformity issues, but nothing too concerning as I have seen none of these issues with content
i think IF they become more pronounced, then it will probably effect content and will be an issue, but we dont even know if these thing do progressively get worse with the set age(one member claimed his screen started to yellow in content)
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Thanks. And are you ever 'being careful' with what you watch? No multiple letterbox movies in a row, full screen content following letterbox content, etc...
No, I simply enjoy it the way it is. I watch LB movies, play games and watch cable TVs with scroll bars or stationary logos all the time.
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It's hard to believe that a burning logo like on the History Channel wouldn't show some IR.

But if not, great.
I watch History channels all the time. No IR. If LG's numbers of 30,000 hours is true, I don't need worry too much about it.
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LG now states its models coming out are same as plasma, 50-100k hrs
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With only White OLEDs used in these panels, that kind of life span isn't too surprising. With Samsung's panel of true RGB pixels, god know s how long those blue pixels last. 8,000? 14,000 hours? We knew they are short lived but not sure how short.
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No, I simply enjoy it the way it is. I watch LB movies, play games and watch cable TVs with scroll bars or stationary logos all the time.

Good to know - thanks.
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With only White OLEDs used in these panels, that kind of life span isn't too surprising. With Samsung's panel of true RGB pixels, god know s how long those blue pixels last. 8,000? 14,000 hours? We knew they are short lived but not sure how short.

The devil is in the details. With the Samsung 'true' OLED structure (separate blue OLED and green OLED and red OLED), degradation of the Blue light output versus red or green was going to be impossible to hide.


With the LG 'white' OLED composed of a yellow OLED layer and a blue OLED layer stacked on top of each other, they have more wiggle room to define lifespan in the manner they see fit. If light intensity remains at spec but there has been a color shift to yellow over time (less blue component in the white light), does that constitute an end of the 'lifetime' or has it continued?


But that being said, I'd be surprised if LG was making all of this investment in manufacturing capacity if they did not have a product that would meet average consumer expectation in terms of lifetime.
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With only White OLEDs used in these panels, that kind of life span isn't too surprising. With Samsung's panel of true RGB pixels, god know s how long those blue pixels last. 8,000? 14,000 hours? We knew they are short lived but not sure how short.
There's a good reason why Samsung made the blue subpixel larger than the red and green subpixels. It doesn't have to be driven as hard to get the necessary luminance which means it has a longer lifespan, presumably equivalent to the red and green.
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