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If you're a serious gamer, I would not bother waiting for 4K. The vast majority of 4K sets have huge input lag problems because of the additional processing and scaling required to display 720p or 1080p content.
In the marketing for the 4K Toshiba 65L9400U they claim to have a Turbo Game mode with only 10ms of lag. Which if true would make it the fastest large format 4K or 2K display you could buy.
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I hear these panels already look fantastic, though. I'm genuinely curious - will that make a big difference in picture quality? I don't know much about the 8-bit vs 10-bit debate
Not an expert here but I believe this will matter more with future 4K broadcast. The current set and Sony 900b have such great cold and are both 8 bit.
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1080p on a Oled looks good but the world shifting to 4k as almost all calls it. And at this time i wouldt go for another exspensive 1080p tv thats "outdated" in peoples minds in a few years .
Seems to me that 4k adoption is going even slower than anticipated.

Another thing, even 2k TVs will benefit from 4k content. Someone made the argument here that downscaling 4k content in 4:2:0 will get you the color resolution of 4:4:4 1080p.
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1080p on a Oled looks good but the world shifting to 4k as almost all calls it. And at this time i wouldt go for another exspensive 1080p tv thats "outdated" in peoples minds in a few years .
vak, im going to go out on a limb here and say your 55' was taken back in anticipation of getting the 65' 4k oled
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Another thing, even 2k TVs will benefit from 4k content. Someone made the argument here that downscaling 4k content in 4:2:0 will get you the color resolution of 4:4:4 1080p.
Chron and I have been saying that for a while now. He was first to say it I think.

And that's correct, if they do it properly, and if there is hardware to do it (God I hope so). 4:2:0 has half the chroma information in both directions (but all the luma). If you supply information at twice the linear resolution in each axis (4K), you end up with the 4K's 4:2:0 theoretically having enough chroma information for 2K 4:4:4. You will absolutely see an improvement on a 2K set assuming that the 4K isn't horrendously compressed for other reasons. So I'm looking forward to seeing just how much this will matter in real life.
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Chron and I have been saying that for a while now. He was first to say it I think.

And that's correct, if they do it properly, and if there is hardware to do it (God I hope so). 4:2:0 has half the chroma information in both directions (but all the luma). If you supply information at twice the linear resolution in each axis (4K), you end up with the 4K's 4:2:0 theoretically having enough chroma information for 2K 4:4:4. You will absolutely see an improvement on a 2K set assuming that the 4K isn't horrendously compressed for other reasons. So I'm looking forward to seeing just how much this will matter in real life.
Is it so complicated? Won't a "normal" downscale make use of this extra chroma information automatically?

Doesn't it only become complex if the downscaling attempts to use the color information to make an 8-bit 4k 4:2:0 signal into a 10-bit 1080p 4:4:4?
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Yes, I am fine with 2K, as I know it will take a super long time, if ever, for 4K content to start really being pushed.
Well 4k Is free this year on the 65EC9700, so might as well take it >>>> I paid $1600 more for the 55" 1080P OLED set last year .
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vak, im going to go out on a limb here and say your 55' was taken back in anticipation of getting the 65' 4k oled
No lol was planning to use it as a gaming tv when i got a 65" 4k one but that didnt turn out as planned sadly.
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Price in us on 65" 4k is really good. im envious of it. I dont know the Norwegian list price yet but im fearing x2 that price.
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Well 4k Is free this year on the 65EC9700, so might as well take it >>>> I paid $1600 more for the 55" 1080P OLED set last year .
I wouldn't exactly call it "free", at this point. It's still over $6,000, and my alternative is to pay half as much for the same 55" 1080p OLED set you're referring to. The 9700 is a huge delta $, and doesn't seem worth it at the moment. Once I get paid tomorrow, I'm pulling the trigger on the 9800
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I wouldn't exactly call it "free", at this point. It's still over $6,000, and my alternative is to pay half as much for the same 55" 1080p OLED set you're referring to. The 9700 is a huge delta $, and doesn't seem worth it at the moment. Once I get paid tomorrow, I'm pulling the trigger on the 9800
God no wait atleast to the ec9300 one is out
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God no wait atleast to the ec9300 one is out
Are you saying I should get that one, or are you saying there will be another price drop for the 9800? I'm a bit confused by your reply
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Are you saying I should get that one, or are you saying there will be another price drop for the 9800? I'm a bit confused by your reply
he thinks you should get the 2014 model, which will be priced higher
I dont think there is any risk getting the discounted 13, you get a year warranty on it from LG
if anything happens between now and aug 2015, Im sure they would replace it with a current model
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he thinks you should get the 2014 model, which will be priced higher
I dont think there is any risk getting the discounted 13, you get a year warranty on it from LG
if anything happens between now and aug 2015, Im sure they would replace it with a current model
I understand the benefits of waiting for the 2014 model, but won't be able to afford it for likely a year or so after its release.
If I get a 1-year warranty from LG no matter what (and if their customer service is as good as I've been hearing about in this thread), then it seems best to get the 9800 - at least, for me personally. I just hope I don't have the QC issues I keep hearing about
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You will. The newer set will be much more improved for a little more money. They claim to be 20%+ brighter. Hopefully they cured the yellow tint problem that occurs from premature aging of the blue elements. Best wait at least until it comes out. By then the EA9800 will be even cheaper. Then you'll be in a better position to make a smart decision. Best to avoid impulse purchases at this price point.
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I understand the benefits of waiting for the 2014 model, but won't be able to afford it for likely a year or so after its release.
If I get a 1-year warranty from LG no matter what (and if their customer service is as good as I've been hearing about in this thread), then it seems best to get the 9800 - at least, for me personally. I just hope I don't have the QC issues I keep hearing about
Cleveland Plasma sells these and they've indicated they've had no issues other than seen by the 1,2, or 3 owners who posted about their dead sub-pixels here. Dead pixels plague tons of sets across the brand and technology spectrum. Of course you could always go buy a CRT if you want to avoid those types of issues
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I understand the benefits of waiting for the 2014 model, but won't be able to afford it for likely a year or so after its release.
If I get a 1-year warranty from LG no matter what (and if their customer service is as good as I've been hearing about in this thread), then it seems best to get the 9800 - at least, for me personally. I just hope I don't have the QC issues I keep hearing about
you plan on picking one up tomorrow?

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Cleveland Plasma sells these and they've indicated they've had no issues other than seen by the 1,2, or 3 owners who posted about their dead sub-pixels here. Dead pixels plague tons of sets across the brand and technology spectrum. Of course you could always go buy a CRT if you want to avoid those types of issues
yeah and if you want to see the dead sub pixels, make sure you have some slides up and are a couple inches from the screen
im honestly wondering what QC issues this set has. Maybe Im not pickey enough, idk
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Is it so complicated? Won't a "normal" downscale make use of this extra chroma information automatically?

Doesn't it only become complex if the downscaling attempts to use the color information to make an 8-bit 4k 4:2:0 signal into a 10-bit 1080p 4:4:4?
I think so, sure. Well, mostly. The luma information is still at 4K resolution. This is information that you need to be careful with because simply throwing away information can theoretically cause odd artifacts. If your TVs approach is to simply do this anyway, then sure, the result would be 4:4:4 naturally, assuming that its implementation of 4:2:0 subsampling was entirely discrete in the first place (and not waveform based).

As far as the color depth upconvert goes, I've seen it approached as a kind of dithering in the lower bit panel. (For example, consider an 8 bit to 9 bit upconvert.....an every other checkerboard of neighboring values would approximate the middle gray level that would be impossible to discern.) But this wouldn't be in the 4K source already, it'd be done in the display device, so there would be a plucking out of every other value in a 4K->2K downscale anyway.

Sony had this diagram that I posted before that I can't seem to find at the moment of their complicated conversion path where they mix bit depth and chroma subsampling all over the place. I can't imagine what their approach would be in this case, but I've seen their results on otherwise lower depth panels and they end up with no contouring at all, so perhaps their 4K->2K down scaling would be including chroma subsampling and bit depth adjustments and be equally complicated. Dunno.

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you plan on picking one up tomorrow?
Yeah... I've been wanting to upgrade, and I've doing the research for a while. I finally feel ready to make the decision - if I keep waiting for the "next one", which will undoubtedly be better, I'll likely be waiting forever.

And from what I've seen, the threads on this forums are always full of people who have issues with their TVs - they're generally the most vocal (myself included)! So I'll hold my breath, and if I have issues, I'll just have LG come fix it for me. Or do you think there'll be another big price drop in the very near future?
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The thing is that the "next one" is only a few weeks away.
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Yeah... I've been wanting to upgrade, and I've doing the research for a while. I finally feel ready to make the decision - if I keep waiting for the "next one", which will undoubtedly be better, I'll likely be waiting forever.

And from what I've seen, the threads on this forums are always full of people who have issues with their TVs - they're generally the most vocal (myself included)! So I'll hold my breath, and if I have issues, I'll just have LG come fix it for me. Or do you think there'll be another big price drop in the very near future?

Yes (depending on what you mean by 'very near future').

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Yes (depending on what you men by 'very near future').
I mean within the next month. And I'll be entirely honest, I only got up to about page 40 or so, and there only seemed to be issues for a few select people. I'm sorry to ask, but can somebody please summarize where this display stands and why it's likely to disappoint? Everyone seems kinda negative these past few pages, whereas earlier, people were a lot happier with their displays (minus a couple people, of course)
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I mean within the next month. And I'll be entirely honest, I only got up to about page 40 or so, and there only seemed to be issues for a few select people. I'm sorry to ask, but can somebody please summarize where this display stands and why it's likely to disappoint? Everyone seems kinda negative these past few pages, whereas earlier, people were a lot happier with their displays (minus a couple people, of course)
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Hopefully they cured the yellow tint problem that occurs from premature aging of the blue elements.
One of my major peeves is people blithely posting supposition as fact.

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Just curious, how many here are jumping to the Gen 2 Oleds after they come out in the next few weeks/months.
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Yeah... I've been wanting to upgrade, and I've doing the research for a while. I finally feel ready to make the decision - if I keep waiting for the "next one", which will undoubtedly be better, I'll likely be waiting forever.

And from what I've seen, the threads on this forums are always full of people who have issues with their TVs - they're generally the most vocal (myself included)! So I'll hold my breath, and if I have issues, I'll just have LG come fix it for me. Or do you think there'll be another big price drop in the very near future?

What ever you go with, good luck and what you like best is best for you. If you go with LG OLED expect a few subpixels out, if you do not run slides you will never see them. I had a floor model I watched for 2 weeks with 12 blue sub-pixels out and never even knew it. LG does stand behind their products so I recommend an extended warranty, especially with OLED as it is still very new technology. Honestly if I never joined this forum I would never even no what a bad sub-pixels was, this is good and bad.
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One of my major peeves is people blithely posting supposition as fact.

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So true, I wish they would band people from forums where they continue to make up false speculative post which slander companies. There are plenty of real world factual issues and problems we can debate.
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