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Stole this from another forum, thought it was interesting. Potential problems identified by LG with oled
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Huh. LG published this, or has it hidden in a service manual?

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It's from the service manual.
I don't really understand the crosstalk examples though.
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Stole this from another forum, thought it was interesting. Potential problems identified by LG with oled
We can bet LG doesn't want this PUBLIC as the Copyright specifies in small print. The important point would be in knowing the universal pool and percentage of such failures as these go far beyond typical issues of LCD. I wouldn't be surprised if Moderators have to remove these pics so save to disk may create a nice reference point.

Would be interesting to hear from Chris at Cleveland on any significant frequency of his buyers of these events.

Also, wonder if OLED Dead Pixels if any owners attempted to massage them away with a microfiber cloth as they often can be on an LCD. I rarely had dead's on my thousands of LCD's on my network but when they did about 50% of the time the massage with a microfiber cloth would actually work but I have no idea of any success on an OLED. Any success w/massage on OLED's?

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It's from the service manual.
I don't really understand the crosstalk examples though.

I was looking at those myself---I don't know either. I don't think it's crosstalk as we know of it from 3D; I think they might be talking about parts of the panel layers actually electrically leaking over to other panel layers and causing large sharply defined sections to fire off incorrectly. If anyone knows what LG is referring to here, let us know right away----it seems interesting.

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We can bet LG doesn't want this PUBLIC as the Copyright specifies in small print. The important point would be in knowing the universal pool and percentage of such failures as these go far beyond typical issues of LCD. I wouldn't be surprised if Moderators have to remove these pics so save to disk may create a nice reference point.

Would be interesting to hear from Chris at Cleveland on any significant frequency of his buyers of these events.

Also, wonder if OLED Dead Pixels if any owners attempted to massage them away with a microfiber cloth as they often can be on an LCD. I rarely had dead's on my thousands of LCD's on my network but when they did about 50% of the time the massage with a microfiber cloth would actually work but I have no idea of any success on an OLED. Any success w/massage on OLED's?
I have pm'ed cleveland plamsa about OLED returns and he said no returns, one compliant about a dead pixel

Its funny you mention wiping away the dead pixels. I have found that tiny dust particles will make a pixel look dark or dead, and when wiped away, expose the bright pixel. I know its not the exact same thing as you state above, but its something I have seen while looking for dead pixels.
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I was looking at those myself---I don't know either. I don't think it's crosstalk as we know of it from 3D; I think they might be talking about parts of the panel layers actually electrically leaking over to other panel layers and causing large sharply defined sections to fire off incorrectly. If anyone knows what LG is referring to here, let us know right away----it seems interesting.

Assume that a functional panel would display a black square centered in a grey screen in the first image and a white square centered in a black screen in the second image...
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Assume that a functional panel would display a black square centered in a grey screen in the first image and a white square centered in a black screen in the second image...
Possibly.

I noticed the yellow off-axis hue images right away though. Apparently this is considered a "return immediately" thing by LG. A few folks here were reporting that.

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Possibly.

I noticed the yellow off-axis hue images right away though. Apparently this is considered a "return immediately" thing by LG. A few folks here were reporting that.
Would be an easy way for me to upgrade to a 2014 model but I bought it at the microcenter sale price

I noticed in that pic, that the pink hues were very strong and nothing like I experienced
I possibly could get a new one with the yellow tint, even though I'm willing to bet its on all sets

Either way, I'm happy with my set and have no desire to change it out
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Possibly.

I noticed the yellow off-axis hue images right away though. Apparently this is considered a "return immediately" thing by LG. A few folks here were reporting that.

Yeah, the 'Angle Hue Color Difference'


It would be good to get Chad's opinion on whether that picture is representative of the off-angle yellow push he experienced and reported on in his review or if that picture is far worse.


We still have not seen any theories to explain this off-angle hue shift and so I think we are all at a loss as to why it might vary from set to set (though LG apparently seems to believe that it can).
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Would be interesting to hear from Chris at Cleveland on any significant frequency of his buyers of these events.
Nothing to report, very few issues with these sets. Those could have been LG prototypes for all we know......
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Nothing to report, very few issues with these sets. Those could have been LG prototypes for all we know......

I think it would be enormously helpful to get a sense of how many satisfied Gen-1 WOLED owners there are out there.


If any of your customers are members here on AVS, try to get them to vote in the new 55EA9800 owners poll I just posted :-)

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1.whether they cost the same to make ..or not
its a moot point since you can't buy a 1080P midlevel( or lower) Tv for hundreds less than a UHD TV

BTW...I assume you are employed by one of the TV manufacturers to know that it doesn't cost more to manufacture a UHD Tv than a 1080P?

if so..your statement is still hard to believe. I cant imagine they have been able to recover their costs in R&D and new manufacturing of UHD over HD TV yet..or the savings from the economies of scale of producing a significant amount more of HD than UHD units

but do tell?

and remember...science could readily prove superiority oh HD over SD with 20/20 vision
This cant be done with any where near close to the parameters of HD vs UHD

2. Your point is somewhat invalid
as there was a significant market of projection TV's for several years that filled a price point void while the direct view TV's came down in price
SD OTA was also around for many years

3. You point of UHD looking "better" is not shared by all
read quotes from David Katzmier etc
There is an increased cost until the 3rd tier manufacturers start to crank out 4K TV's
When Walmart starts stocking the shelves with 4K Tv's that is when I think the mass market will have accepted this as something they actually want

The market for 4K Tv's right now..I would assume...is extremely small...until I see mass market acceptance

So...based on some of your comments you work for one of the TV manufacturers

will we see 4K at Walmart now?

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By the way, just for sh*ts and giggles, I searched for 4K TVs on Walmart and lo and behold, they are already selling 7 different models (4 from Samsug and 3 from Seiki): http://www.walmart.com/browse/3944_1...rt=best_seller

Availability in-store varies buy in my area (Bay Area), one of 3 stores has them in stock, one of 3 is sold out, and one of 3 does not carry 4K TVs.

So it seems like the 4K cat is well and truly out of the bag...

p.s. and Costco is apparently already carrying 7 4K TVs (4 from Samsung, 1 from LG and 2 from Hisense): http://www.costco.com/4k-tvs.html
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By the way, just for sh*ts and giggles, I searched for 4K TVs on Walmart and lo and behold, they are already selling 7 different models (4 from Samsug and 3 from Seiki): http://www.walmart.com/browse/3944_1...rt=best_seller
..........................................well sh*t. (And giggle).

Is that the original $700 50" Seiki that is now down to $450? Huh. And I wish these guys would publish whether or not their TVs can handle 4:4:4 or not. It's really getting tiring to look all this stuff up elsewhere model by model every time.

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By the way, just for sh*ts and giggles, I searched for 4K TVs on Walmart and lo and behold, they are already selling 7 different models (4 from Samsug and 3 from Seiki): http://www.walmart.com/browse/3944_1...rt=best_seller

Availability in-store varies buy in my area (Bay Area), one of 3 stores has them in stock, one of 3 is sold out, and one of 3 does not carry 4K TVs.

So it seems like the 4K cat is well and truly out of the bag...

p.s. and Costco is apparently already carrying 7 4K TVs (4 from Samsung, 1 from LG and 2 from Hisense): http://www.costco.com/4k-tvs.html
Interesting...as they are not in Walmart the stores near me
I am in the Midwest

I wouldn't bank on much until they to the price of the 1080P TV's...at Walmart

Costco is a completely different place....far less outlets, traffic....exponentially less of both as a matter of fact, and a far more affluent customer base than Walmart

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Interesting...as they are not in Walmart the stores near me
I am in the Midwest

I wouldn't bank on much until they to the price of the 1080P TV's...at Walmart

Costco is a completely different place....far less outlets, traffic....exponentially less of both as a matter of fact, and a far more affluent customer base than Walmart

remember 3D....


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Really intrigued by the idea these sets could approach plasma levels without being monolithic, mini-space heaters in the process. I absolutely love the aesthetics of the EA8800, but it doesn't seem to be subject to some of the same flash deals (re: Microcenter) of the 9800. I just can't justify spending nearly $4,000 on a set I know will see a huge markdown within the year, either due to the newer models or some kind of promotional deal. Has anyone seen the 9800 for a more realistic ($2500-ish) price point?
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Really intrigued by the idea these sets could approach plasma levels without being monolithic, mini-space heaters in the process.
Plasmas haven't been "monolithic, mini-space heaters" for quite some time.

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Today, the few are profitable in their Tv business
To make money in the Tv business I assume you have to get the masses on board
No, you need to have new features which are able to command a premium in the high-end segment. The masses simply help fill the fabs. As of right now, 4K is helping the LCD vendors make some profits. When 4K becomes available for $500 at Wal-mart, the margins will disappear.
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It's even a bit more ridiculous than that.

The most expensive TV you can find at Walmart right now is the Samsung 75" H7150 1080p for $3800.

There are two 80" Vizio M's (2014 and 2014) selling for $3000 as well as the Samsung UN75H6350AFXZA 75" for $2700, all 3 1080p TVs.

There is a 70" Vizio M for $2100 and a 70" Sony KDL70W850B for $2000 - $2500 (didn't want to load cart :-) again, both 1080p.

and these are in the store readily available for any Walmart shopper in their thousands of stores across the country

or special order items?

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No, you need to have new features which are able to command a premium in the high-end segment. The masses simply help fill the fabs. As of right now, 4K is helping the LCD vendors make some profits. When 4K becomes available for $500 at Wal-mart, the margins will disappear.
part of that doesnt make sense

The high end Tv's seem to be dropping each and every year

all the while there is more variety on the low end

4K TV's were out last year.....based on their latest financials the TV companies didnt do any better

when and if you see 4K TV's at Walmart for $500....thats when the volume of 4K TV's sold will pick up tremendously

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part of that doesnt make sense
The high end Tv's seem to be dropping each and every year

all the while there is more variety on the low end

4K TV's were out last year.....based on their latest financials the TV companies didnt do any better
Most of the major television vendors did do better this year than last. Sony was profitable and expects the television business to show a profit this year for the first time in 10 years. Sharp, LG, and Samsung all said that they did well in the television business due to the high-end. I'm too lazy to look through the Taiwanese companies but AUO and Innolux both had good quarters as well.

The issue is that the differentiation provided by 4K wont last and neither will the profits. The Chinese are already offering 4K televisions and the quality will only improve.
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I just did a store radius check for all the Walmart stores in metro Indianapolis...7-8 stores

I checked the boxes for IN STORE TV's only...and the highest end( most expensive) TV I came up with was this one...for $1248.00

VIZIO E650i-A2 65" 1080p 120Hz Class LED (3.23" ultra-slim) Smart HDTV



I could go further out ...but it gets more rural and I suspect it would even be lower end than this one in the stores


In the midwest..I would suspect the Chicago market might have a some higher end ones


But..I think my store example is a very good example of any of the metro midwest stores





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Most of the major television vendors did do better this year than last. Sony was profitable and expects the television business to show a profit this year for the first time in 10 years. Sharp, LG, and Samsung all said that they did well in the television business due to the high-end.

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where are you seeing this information?...as I have seen something quite different
with Sony, Panasonic and Sharp performing poorly

The LG and Samsung information sounds realistic...however I have seen nothing that states that it was due to their high end products

edit.....
I just looked at the Sharp annual report
The TV's are in the same division as their mobile phones
It said that mobile phones were on the decline..but that LCD's Tv sales were up
Sales for the division, as a whole, were flat

But that this group returned to profitability due to cost cutting and other restructuring efforts


Good deal...I am seeing that they mean a leaner, meaner organization that wont contend with products that are not profitable

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where are you seeing this information?...as I have seen something quite different
with Sony, Panasonic and Sharp performing poorly

The LG and Samsung information sounds realistic...however I have seen nothing that states that it was due to their high end products

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I follow the markets for a living. There are a bunch of moving parts (such as the World Cup countered by a decline in sales in Japan due to an increase in the VAT), but overall most television vendors had good quarters. You have to dig through analyst reports and the conference calls to get the real details but here are some links. As I said before though, this wont last. The industry as a whole is terrible. Too many players and too much capacity. When companies/nations stop looking at television production as a strategic priority, that will be when companies will be able to make consistent profits.

Innolux.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../29/2003596139

Samsung

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=39258

LG

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-sales-g3.html

Sharp

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28600782
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I follow the markets for a living. There are a bunch of moving parts (such as the World Cup countered by a decline in sales in Japan due to an increase in the VAT), but overall most television vendors had good quarters. You have to dig through analyst reports and the conference calls to get the real details but here are some links. As I said before though, this wont last. The industry as a whole is terrible. Too many players and too much capacity. When companies/nations stop looking at television production as a strategic priority, that will be when companies will be able to make consistent profits.

Innolux.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/.../29/2003596139

Samsung

http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=39258

LG

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-sales-g3.html

Sharp

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28600782
good information there

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Plasmas haven't been "monolithic, mini-space heaters" for quite some time.
i disagree, my 55st50 put off enough heat that it made my room always warm(which required me to keep the fan always going) and the change to OLED offered a significant decrease in the heat of the room
i gave my parents the 55st50 and the first day my mom commented on the heat it gave off, works for her though, she loves it warm
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when and if you see 4K TV's at Walmart for $500....thats when the volume of 4K TV's sold will pick up tremendously

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And when you get your wish, that's when you'll see the last remaining TV manufacturers exit the TV business. If you think you can turn a profit making decently sized $500 UHD TVs...well, good luck with that. Can't have it both ways.
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Bickering and anything looking like bickering removed.

Stick to the topic and not each other.

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was going to ban people, but it's been awhile, so nothing this time. THIS time ;D
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