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Don't worry. The person who doesn't like those kind of jokes is currently offline, so fire away. biggrin.gif
This May price drop doesn't surprise since LG had it announced a few weeks ago at an italian press conference.
Anyways, good news, since I hope that this means a lower starting price for the 2014 sets.
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They lowered the price because they realized they don't have to produce 8,294,400 sub pixels anymore, but a maximum of only 8,294,399.

....lol, joke. Nobody freak out please.

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I hope this new price dropp hits Eu soon aswell tongue.gif
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Don't worry. The person who doesn't like those kind of jokes is currently offline, so fire away. .

Wish I could think of more....

So LG walks into a bar, bartender says "what'll it be?"

LG says, scotch on the rocks.

Bartender forgets rocks and charges 5 thousand dollars.

LG says what gives?

Bartender says "I bought one of your tv's. Now how do YOU like it?"
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I hope this new price dropp hits Eu soon aswell tongue.gif

Do they match the krone with the euro on stuff like this?

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The price on the 55EA9800 is down to $4k but the 55EA8800 gallery is still $5k? That seems pretty odd, I thought they were the exact same panel. Maybe there's more demand for the flat version because it can be wall mounted? Just seems odd for there to be such a huge price difference.

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Wish I could think of more....

So LG walks into a bar, bartender says "what'll it be?"

LG says, scotch on the rocks.

Bartender forgets rocks and charges 5 thousand dollars.

LG says what gives?

Bartender says "I bought one of your tv's. Now how do YOU like it?"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm you're griefing me !!!

Did that line from watching those movies ever away?
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was gonna say, tough crowd.

Nah it still looks the same as the last pic I took, but it only shows on gray so it isn't a problem.. I'm running slides and only full screen content for another hundred and fifty hours from when it happened so I can reach a total of 400 hours, one hundred more than vinnie just incase it makes any difference (since that happened after only two hours from about 250 of break in time), which is two more days from now. Then I'm going to do the deed and watch an anamorphic trilogy like he did.....I'm thinking dark knight trilogy as the blu rays are near reference quality (TDK itself has some of the inkiest blacks put to disc which aren't overbearingly crushed), its long and ive only seen it once. After that I'll take more grayscale pictures

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Vinnie, can you confirm if the lines only appear on gray or if you can see them on primary colors as well?

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The price on the 55EA9800 is down to $4k but the 55EA8800 gallery is still $5k? That seems pretty odd, I thought they were the exact same panel. Maybe there's more demand for the flat version because it can be wall mounted? Just seems odd for there to be such a huge price difference.

Tbh I just think they're paying more attention to the curved model as the gallery is not available in stores (in the US, at least)

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Gray only.

Yes, the flat panel has only just arrived in the NA market (first started showing up in limited quantity in Feb., I believe).
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Still sucks if watching one movie makes a mark even if its only on grey surely it will start to creep into normal content the more movies you watch, LG need to patch a scroll bar in when I had the f8500 when I was watching movies and needed to go to the toilet or whatever i just turned the scroll on.
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Well, the mark I have really is nothing as some tvs come with grayscales more marked up right out of the box, but yes I am definitely concerned about compounding it. If it only stays on gray , but compounds, it may just be something we have to live with every time content has near-blacks...along with marks where 1:85:1 was watched, and 4:3 for purists who never use stretch features like myself. which is no good but may, possibly, be bearable. Once it starts to spill over into real content though we have a huge problem. I'm hoping that never happens, truly, or I will use my extended warranty to get something, practically anything else. It's a definite concern but alas, nobody knows If it will really happen.

I can't help but think there's something so incredibly odd about every other tv manufacturer not touching oled. Samsung's article which CP posted clearly states that there are "inefficiency" concerns. Maybe LG is just in a desperate bid to overcome their middle-shelf reputation at any cost? Only speculation, but I can't believe it's as simple as they were genious enough to create and patent the only pixel structure which is viable to use in oled tv's . The whole thing doesn't sit well with me, and raises concerns as to just how long my tv is going to last.

There is still the issue of blue subpixels unevenly aging, too. In 3 years I think its possible for color accuracy to go down the toilet but, here's to hoping that white subpixel indeed circumvents that worry.

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Well, the mark I have really is nothing as some tvs come with grayscales more marked up right out of the box, but yes I am definitely concerned about compounding it. If it only stays on gray , but compounds, it may just be something we have to live with every time content has near-blacks...which is no good but may be bearable. Once it starts to spill over into real content though we have a huge problem. I'm hoping that never happens, truly, or I will use my extended warranty to get something, practically anything else. It's a definite concern but alas, nobody knows If it will really happen.

I can't help but think there's something so incredibly odd about every other tv manufacturer not touching oled. Samsung's article which CP posted clearly states that there are "inefficiency" concerns. Maybe LG is just in a desperate bid to overcome their middle-shelf reputation at any cost? Only speculation, but I can't believe it's as simple as they were genious enough to create and patent the only pixel structure which is viable to use in oled tv's . The whole thing doesn't sit well with me, and raises concerns as to just how long my tv is going to last.

There is still the issue of blue subpixels unevenly aging, too. In 3 years I think its possible for color accuracy to go down the toilet but, here's to hoping that white subpixel indeed circumvents that worry.

Don't think you have to worry about the blue subpixels doesn't LG just use nothing but white pixels and use filters to make them RGB?
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Don't think you have to worry about the blue subpixels doesn't LG just use nothing but white pixels and use filters to make them RGB?

It's my understanding that LG uses 4 sub pixels instead of three, and the inclusion of white is to avoid making the pixels output r,g and b all at once as they concluded that can be the root cause of oled pixel stress. But if someone understands it, or can explain it better Id like to be proven otherwise. TGM, maybe?

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It's my understanding that LG uses 4 sub pixels instead of three, and the inclusion of white is to avoid making the pixels output r,g and b all at once as they concluded that can be the root cause of oled pixel stress. But if someone understands it, or can explain it better Id like to be proven otherwise. TGM, maybe?

"A set of Red, Green and Blue sub-pixel filters, which LG calls a Color Refiner, recovers the desired Red, Green and Blue LG has also added a 4th clear sub-pixel to every pixel, which produces pure White. This increases the display’s power efficiency and also improves color accuracy and color management"

"In its OLED TVs, Samsung uses a traditional red, green and blue (RGB) pixel structure with no colour filters, just like you’d find on a plasma.

However, LG OLED TVs use WRGB 4-colour pixel technology, which adds a fourth white sub-pixel. White light is shone through a colour filter to create the red, green and blue sub-pixels. LG says this results in a brighter picture."
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So if they're only filters, why then do they call the white subpixel a fourth subpixel?
Now I'm more confused.

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So if they're only filters, why then do they call the white subpixel a fourth subpixel?
Now I'm more confused.
Because there are 4 sub pixels one white with no filter and the others are white but with the RGB filters making them RGB.
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So a dead subpixel is essentially just a pixel which lacks its respective filter?

....maybe they weren't dead sub pixels after all, but something entirely different.

I had no idea this tv didn't have rgb sub pixels at all...

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So a dead subpixel is essentially just a pixel which lacks its respective filter?

No the white pixel has died behind the filter if it had no filter it would always show white.
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Imagine a taillight on a car. A car can have a white lightbulb under the red cover so when the brakes are used it lights up red. biggrin.gif

4 white sub pixels 3 are covered with red green and blue.
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Wow.....never knew! I always assumed it was simply an added white subpixel. Thanks for informing me! Truly an ingenious idea then. I feel silly for being so out of the loop for so long.

Have any other displays ever tried such a thing?

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Do they match the krone with the euro on stuff like this?

Roughly the same price as Uk gets here at list prices
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Watched my first full-screen content since the LOTR trilogy (the last two-thirds of Valkyrie), and I must sadly say that any solid backgrounds that resemble earth tones or grays reveal the uneven wear letterbox borders, even from 10 to 12 feet out. Back to the slides for me, but let this be a fair warning to every current owner to keep your content mixed or be prepared to use the slides (Plague could've seen this one coming!).
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Damn!!!
Why did i watch that Blu Ray movie last night??
just look what happend!

now i need to run slidies for 4 weeks in a ROW to fix it!!!



Sorry Vegas OLED i couldnt resist haha
Had to quote this because it's a gross exaggeration (only the thin lines denoting the letterbox borders show slight discoloration) but still holds a kernel of truth. wink.gif Well played!

This is the second display where I've seen such uneven wear (first was a Kuro, but that took at least 2000 hours). I think it's a divine message to get a Sony FALD before they exit the market.
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Watched my first full-screen content since the LOTR trilogy (the last two-thirds of Valkyrie), and I must sadly say that any solid backgrounds that resemble earth tones or grays reveal the uneven wear letterbox borders, even from 10 to 12 feet out. Back to the slides for me, but let this be a fair warning to every current owner to keep your content mixed or be prepared to use the slides (Plague could've seen this one coming!).

 

At what room and screen brightness were you watching?

 

Are you going to run slides that counter the letterbox, i.e. black inside the letterbox and colors+white in top and bottom?


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It seems there are many things LG could do to alleviate uneven wear. Photographic calibration could tell the TV which pixels are dimmer than others and bring them in line. Or more simply by logging activity history of each pixel, and adjusting accordingly. LG must have a pretty good idea of how much dimmer a pixel that has been turned on for 10,000 hours is compared to one which has been turned on for 5,000 hours is, and tell either pixel to light up or down to match each other.


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At what room and screen brightness were you watching?

Are you going to run slides that counter the letterbox, i.e. black inside the letterbox and colors+white in top and bottom?
No because the evidence of unevenness is really only visible at the margin where the letterbox meets the 2.35:1 content (I would surmise about 1 inch in height), so regular slides should serve to clear it up as they did at least 90% on my first panel after a similar experiment (I failed to break in this pre-replacement panel and just began with a similar 2.35:1 marathon).

Lights are off. My brightness is set to somewhere around 53-55, I believe.

The early evidence seems to suggest that break-in does nothing to alleviate the problem, which is a "burning" question Plague, TDM, myself, and others had been wondering about since the initial signs of uneven wear were reported last month.
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