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I think it could also be at least partially related to us being more active as we look for problems. It seems several of the owners are the more passive types who are taking in the marvel versus looking for problems. wink.gif
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I think it could also be at least partially related to us being more active as we look for problems. It seems several of the owners are the more passive types who are taking in the marvel versus looking for problems. wink.gif

Yeah true, I mean if I didn't put slides up I wouldn't have seen it yet after those 1.5 movies. But after months I'm sure I would have. And Vegas oled said that he actively just checked all the slides looking for what were experiencing yesterday

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Good point. :[ So much for my theory in his case.
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I find that in case's like these the other people are just not looking but it is there when I had a Panasonic plasma last year they all said you wont see line bleed in real content only on text on green bla bla.. but as soon as I watched futurama I saw it multiply times in one episode and when I posted clips for others to test they said they didn't need to as they knew how they're sets performed, posting the same clip on a F8500 thread the owners were more then happy to test it because the f8500 is line bleed free.

I'll be keeping my human eyeballs on it tho and I will check, I'll even take before and after photos and send them to LG if i see wear after a movie quoting what they said before.
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I think it could also be at least partially related to us being more active as we look for problems. It seems several of the owners are the more passive types who are taking in the marvel versus looking for problems. wink.gif

I bet if the hundreds of millions of lcd panels went through the same fine tooth comb applied by you guys you'd be hard pressed to find even one panel not bad.

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I am very picky as most of us who purchase OLED sets are. I checked for all the defects I cannot live with and now just enjoy the set. The problem with OLED is if it does not make you happy there is no where to go from here. 4K OLED is not the cure for burn-in or dead pixels or image retention, these problems will never go away because no display is perfect.
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Yes but it's the alarming rate it's happening at that's the problem, not that it can happen.

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I am very picky as most of us who purchase OLED sets are. I checked for all the defects I cannot live with and now just enjoy the set. The problem with OLED is if it does not make you happy there is no where to go from here. 4K OLED is not the cure for burn-in or dead pixels or image retention, these problems will never go away because no display is perfect.
Actually, OLED is still a new tech in comparison to its predecessors, so there certainly is room for improvement, and LG is looking to do just that with Gen 2. The uneven wear I'm seeing should not be normal...if it is, OLED has a giant uphill battle.
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Don't recall if this was posted before, but the flat gallery version is not immune either. Here are some shots from a European owner. This burn-in was caused just from the TVs built-in menus displayed during calibration - you don't even need a letterbox marathon. You can read the whole story at avforums.

http://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-ea980-55ea980-curved-1080p-oled-tv-review.1859244/page-10



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Nope, hasn't been, but I don't think it's fair to call that scenario burn-in:
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After watching tv for about 4 hours it is almost dissappeared.:clap:
But the other problems are still remaining...
Anyway it should go back to the factory.
In the evening I'll take some photos to demonstrate what problems i was talking about.
It's definitely concerning, though, since it was on-screen for merely a matter of minutes apparently. Seems to correlate with the hours that it's taken me to get rid of the visibly uneven wear.

On another note, he returned his set to LG who hasn't contacted him in 2 months. eek.gif
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There is more than likely a period when burn-in or image retention is more likely in the beginning when the set is new. This is the information that we will have to find out. There is one poster who paused a video game for an hour just to try and get burn-in and did not get it an others who just set up their TV and more than likely is only getting some image retention. The dead pixels I believe to be more of a defective display issue, burn -in is more concerning. I cannot live with a set that has burn-in and that is the on issue that scare the Hell out of me. eek.gif
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Well LG say there is no run in time but as someone already pointed out if you asked Panasonic the same about plasma they'd say there was not need too.
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To put this in even more perspective, when the M2 Manufacturing Line is up to full capacity by the end of 2015, LG will be producing more than 4000 55" OLEDs daily.

So if LGs 2016 OLED sales need to exceed 1.5M 55" panels (or 0.75M 65" or 0.5M 77" or some mix of the above), they need to move from selling ~10 OLEDs per day in 2013 to at least 100 per day in 2014. And by the time of 'significant price reductions by the middle of 2015' they will have to get to a sales level of at least 1000 OLEDs per day.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1398670501

It will be interesting to see what pricing LG ends up announcing for the gen 2 4K OLEDS coming out late this year.

We have the 2013 sales figures, and based upon that we can speculate.

My speculation:
Its mai 2014 and LG probably has sold 2500 OLEDs this year. Eight months left. Lets be positive and say 10.000 LG OLEDs will be sold in 2014. 10.000 in 2014 would make them really happy smile.gif Beyond that i do not believe is realistic.

100 a day= 36.500, that ain't gonna happen. Its to late for that.


Next year prices need to come down -- cut in half that is, if they want to sell more than 50.000 in 2015.
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There is more than likely a period when burn-in or image retention is more likely in the beginning when the set is new. This is the information that we will have to find out. There is one poster who paused a video game for an hour just to try and get burn-in and did not get it an others who just set up their TV and more than likely is only getting some image retention. The dead pixels I believe to be more of a defective display issue, burn -in is more concerning. I cannot live with a set that has burn-in and that is the on issue that scare the Hell out of me. eek.gif

Well both vinnie and I broke in our sets for over 300 hours so they're not new panels. And I've posted many times my findings; and what I still find, that static images in games aren't causing anything for me even after six hours.

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There is more than likely a period when burn-in or image retention is more likely in the beginning when the set is new. This is the information that we will have to find out. There is one poster who paused a video game for an hour just to try and get burn-in and did not get it an others who just set up their TV and more than likely is only getting some image retention. The dead pixels I believe to be more of a defective display issue, burn -in is more concerning. I cannot live with a set that has burn-in and that is the on issue that scare the Hell out of me. eek.gif
How many hours of break in do you think it needs or is acceptable?
Vinnie had his panel replaced and on his second one he played slides and full screen content for about 300 hours before watching a bluray with letter box. He still said it's an issue after the breakin. I think 300 hours is plenty enough time in my opinion for a set.
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Check this out, the LG OLED manual. How can they expect people not to watch letter box movies that are more than one hour? this could be reason enough to trade in my set for a 4K LED. mad.gif

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Hehe, that is a joke. I wonder why they don't put that warning on the sticker in the store?

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Hehe, that is a joke. I wonder why they don't put that warning on the sticker in the store?

You are not kidding, I am seriously considering loading this set in the car and exchanging it. You should be able to watch a movie on any TV without worrying. What good it's the best blacks if you have some burn-in just behind the image? Scary. I could understand if you watched letterbox movies for several hours it being a problem, but one hour?
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Check this out, the LG OLED manual. How can they expect people not to watch letter box movies that are more than one hour? this could be reason enough to trade in my set for a 4K LED. mad.gif


This in the LG 55EA9800 55 manual????
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This in the LG 55EA9800 55 manual????

Absolutely
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Absolutely

How has no one mention this before ? Think i might email back to LG and ask them how they said it would take months.

1 hour is a Long periods of time ? do LG even know how long movies are ? TV shows are 25 mins so if you watch two TV show at 4:3 you're almost at an hour what a joke don't know if i should just cancel now.
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Looked at the US PDF manual and i can see this page but for the UK one its not there ?

All i could find was this in the User guide.

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You can find the manual in the download on the LG US site for the OLED. Very scary, I am not sure If I want to wait for someone or myself to screwup and wake up to a damaged TV.
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yeah i can see it in the U.S man but its no where in the UK manual that picture is from the user guide and talks about 3840 x2160 res so it must be a guide for multiply lg sets not just the OLED.

Have a look nothing in the UK manual also our manual looks no where near as good as yours frown.gif

http://www.lg.com/uk/support-product/lg-55EA980W#
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yeah i can see it in the U.S man but its no where in the UK manual that picture is from the user guide and talks about 3840 x2160 res so it must be a guide for multiply lg sets not just the OLED.

Have a look nothing in the UK manual also our manual looks no where near as good as yours frown.gif

http://www.lg.com/uk/support-product/lg-55EA980W#

Page 9 of the UK manual has the same warning.
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You can find the manual in the download on the LG US site for the OLED. Very scary, I am not sure If I want to wait for someone or myself to screwup and wake up to a damaged TV.

1 hour is a joke and shouldn't be allowed you cant say watching a movie is misuse or reckless a TV has to be able to do these things.

Edit: I checked the user guide is for all newish LG sets so no where in the UK manual does it warn you about burn in
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Indeed that's in the US manual at least, and Plague and I are probably already witnessing the effects of it. We are able to erase it temporarily but any further letterbox content makes yet another imprint. I would love for LG to define "long period of time." From what I can gather, no amount of breaking in will render said physical reality moot.

Since it *does* vanish with corrective measures, I have a hard time calling it burn-in and think we should technically be covered by the warranty.
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I would love for LG to define "long period of time." Well it says it right there 1 hour or more for OLED what a joke.
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This was made for plasma sets but should probably be followed closely for OLED owners. I really love this TV and would hate to go back to LED.

How Do I Prevent Burn-In?

It is rather simple to prevent the burn-in effect from occurring to your plasma.

Calibrate your display. It is difficult to overestimate the importance of this step. Most TVs come from the store with their brightness and contrast set way too high in order to show good in the display room. Get yourself AVIA or DVE (Digital Video Essentials) DVD, and you'll have a nicely calibrated set in less than 15 minutes.
Do not watch any 4:3 or 2.35:1 content during the first 100 hours of use. Most damage is done to the brand-new plasmas by inexperienced users. Plasmas are most susceptible to burn-in during the first 100 hours, and much more burn-in resistant after 1000 hours of use.
Restrict non-full-screen programming to 20% until 1000 hours. Plasma manufacturers also recommend limiting viewing of 4:3 or 2.35:1 programming to about 20% of overall viewing time after the first 100 hours and until 1000 hours. After that, your plasma is much less likely to take burn-in. Try watching 4:3 content in "stretched" or "fair" ("just") mode that fills the entire screen.
While your plasma is new, turn down the contrast (sometimes called "picture", which refers to white level, or the brightness of light areas of the picture). A new plasma TV is much more likely to take damage from displaying static elements such as logos or teletext. Reducing overall contrast (this controls white levels, and is called "picture" on some displays) helps reducing the possibility of those static elements to burn in.
Switch channels to avoid logo burn-in. Avoid extended viewing of broadcasts with non-transparent logos or where the screen is divided into fixed parts (such as teletext or weather reports) all the time. These logos or teletext lines may imprint into your plasma, causing burn-in.
Use grey bars instead of black. Some plasma displays allow using color bars instead of black for 4:3 programming. This may greatly reduce the burn-in effect.
Enable pixel shifting. Many plasmas offer pixel shifting, otherwise referred as "wobulation" technique, in order to reduce the effect of burn-in. Enabling this feature may decrease the effect of burn-in by "smoothing" the borders between bright and dark parts of the image. This feature alone will not prevent your display from burning in, however, because larger dark and bright parts of the screen will mostly remain where they are, thus causing an after-image with slightly blurred borders.
If your DVD player has a screen saver and auto-shutdown feature, turn it on. This helps a great deal saving you from burn-in resulting from paused movies (screen saver) or disk menus (auto-off).
If seeing early signs of image retention, run a screen saver on your plasma. New plasmas are likely to display non-permanent image retention after displaying a still image or a still element, such as a logo. Chances are great that this effect will disappear by itself after you watch a different channel (remember using full-screen "stretch" mode) for some time, or if you engage a special burn-in reduction screen saver, if your plasma has it. Please refer to your plasma documentation to find if your TV has a screen saver. Many plasmas don't have it.
Seems complicated? It is not! Here's the list once again:

While your plasma is new:

Reduce contrast
Avoid content that does not fill entire screen (leaves black bars) for the first 1000 hours
Switch channels from time to time
If seeing any signs of image retention, run a screen saver on your plasma
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Use grey bars instead of black
On your plasma, keep pixel shifting enabled
On your DVD player, keep screen saver and auto-shutdown enabled
Calibrate your display to avoid unnecessary high brightness and contrast levels
What If I Already Have Burn-In? Is There Any Way To Remove It?
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Only 1 hour or it might cause burn-in!? That is absolutely terrible. I'm a big fan of an OLED but this is just getting ridiculous. What's the point having the ultimate PQ but can't watch more than an hour?
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