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So we're about 20 days into Q3. Any mention of when these will be available? Or is this another OLED prediction that doesn't happen?
Skepticism is understandable, but keep in mind that LG has been ongoing with an OLED shock and awe campaign since ~July 2013 (when both LG and Samsung introduced the curved OLED malarkey into the marketplace). Before that, I thought they were bluffing. LG continues to soldier on with 55" sets as low as $2K, so they are clearly forging ahead. The dealers have already stated September is when these are likely to surface. I get the skepticism until they launch...it's healthy. I have more faith in them than I did a year ago, that's for certain.
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So we're about 20 days into Q3. Any mention of when these will be available? Or is this another OLED prediction that doesn't happen?

Actually, no - we're about 11 days away from the start of Q3.


Q4 begins October 1, so technically LG can release these TVs as late as the end of September without missing their target.


I believe most are expecting 'Q3 release' to mean late Q3 rather than early Q3.
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Found significant drops in street pricing of the Flagship LG and Samsung LED/LCDs pretty much across the board and have updated the lead post accordingly.


Current outlook, if LG sticks to their <150% of Flagship LED/LCD pricing, is that will translate into the following:


55" 4K < $3000 (which the current 55" 1080p already is)
65" 4K < $5000
77" 4K < $10,000

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A 65-inch model for $5000 doesn't seem entirely insane. I mean the market still is small-ish because that's a large size and a heady premium, but staying under the $5000 price (i.e. $4999) would make it feel palatable I think to a solid number of people -- myself included, if I were in the market for another 65-incher.

That 77 is really the grail, though.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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55" 4K < $3000 (which is already is)
The current 55" is a 1920x1080 set. It is as cheap as $2k though.
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The current 55" is a 1920x1080 set. It is as cheap as $2k though.

Good catch - I'll fix the earlier post.

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Q3 starts July 1...
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If these are supposed to launch within the next few months, shouldn't we have some pricing by now?

Cleveland plasma, please post prices in this thread as soon as you get them. I'm still crossing my fingers for 77" for under 10k, but realistically I'll most likely have to go with the 65", but you never know....
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I googled to find some info regarding pricing, but could it be that we only got first prices for the current Full HD OLED TVs as late as August 2013? If so, then it could be that we need to wait another 2 months for prices to appear.
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I don't know about your part of the world, but in the US, the current model became available for sale on July 22 at $14999:

http://www.lg.com/us/press-release/us-oled-launch

It launched at ~$13500 in Korea a few months earlier:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/28/lg-curved-oled-hdtv/

The fact we've heard nothing about the 2014 sets does not inspire confidence.

I guess we'll see if they show up at this year's HDTV shootout. If they are missing, I'm thinking we won't see them until 2015.
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Robert Zohn has said to expect a launch in September. Why should we conclude that date is impossible by the middle of July?
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Big drop in the street price of the LG 79UB9800 ($6200).


Flagship LED/LCD pricing from LG and Samsung now settling pretty firmly into this range:


55" <$2000 (1.5 X < $3000)


65" <$3200 (1.5X < $4800)


75-79" < $6200 (1.5X < $9300)
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^The pessimist in me says it's not happening. Intuitively it's hard for me to envision the new 77" coming in at or around $9,000. Relatively new tech, in the largest screen size...I don't know.

LG can always come back and say 'we didn't really mean 1.5x the price of comparably sized panels in more conventional tech. That must have been the result of a poorly translated thought'.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
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^The pessimist in me says it's not happening. Intuitively it's hard for me to envision the new 77" coming in at or around $9,000. Relatively new tech, in the largest screen size...I don't know.

LG can always come back and say 'we didn't really mean 1.5x the price of comparably sized panels in more conventional tech. That must have been the result of a poorly translated thought'.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
If they're serious about moving units without taking much of a loss these prices seem close. That would be a strike against them compared to LCD prices. Look at how fast prices have dropped. Knowing lg the prices are going to be somewhat reasonable. The new 1080p model 55ec9300 yet to be released is the Same msrp as the outgoing ea9800 that was 14,000 when released. I think his predictions are close they'll be just a little more than LCD for now.
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LG Curved ULTRA HD 4K OLED TV Launched In The UK
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65" £5,999 $10200
77" £19,999 $34000

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/06/lg-...-tv-uk-launch/
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LG Curved ULTRA HD 4K OLED TV Launched In The UK
Prices:
65" £5,999 $10200
77" £19,999 $34000

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/06/lg-...-tv-uk-launch/
Translating UK pricing directly to dollars never works. The cheapest that the 55EA9800 managed to get in the UK was around 3100 pounds (~$5250). The standard price from the major UK online retailers seems to be 3999 pounds (~$6600). The set is $4999 or under everywhere in the US.

If those are MSRP's, I would guess something like $8500 for the 65" set and $25,000 for the 77" model. The 77" model would be very expensive, but that price for the 65" set would put it right in the range of the Sony 65" 950B.
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So if the above 77" prices are correct, so much for LG's proclamation that their OLEDs will be no more than 150% of the similar size LEDs. If true, my short list just got shorter.

Looks like fafrd will have to go back to the pricing conjecture drawing boards.
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It was always a long shot, but I can (and have no choice but to) wait. The 55" debuted less than a year ago with an SRP of $15k.
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LG Curved ULTRA HD 4K OLED TV Launched In The UK
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65" £5,999 $10200
77" £19,999 $34000

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/06/lg-...-tv-uk-launch/
Probably more like $7.5k and $25k in the US.
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So if the above 77" prices are correct, so much for LG's proclamation that their OLEDs will be no more than 150% of the similar size LEDs. If true, my short list just got shorter.

Looks like fafrd will have to go back to the pricing conjecture drawing boards.
I'm surprised it was ever on your list. They said way back in January at CES that the 77" would be a $25K set. Anyone who though otherwise was living a fantasy.

The only real unknown was their pricing of the 55" and 65" UHD models. Based on the fact that they didn't lower the $5K MSRP of the 2014 1080p set, we shouldn't be too surprised if the 65" UHD ends up at $10K. That's still a good price when you consider the $15K starting price of their first OLED less than a year ago. If you're patient, you can probably snag the 65" for $3-4K in a few months after launch.

We may also see some price adjustments before these sets are released in October.
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If those are MSRP's, I would guess something like $8500 for the 65" set and $25,000 for the 77" model. The 77" model would be very expensive, but that price for the 65" set would put it right in the range of the Sony 65" 950B.
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I saw some leaked price on european market that points to 6999€ the 55" version. But suddently disappeared one day after, probably to set the final release prices.

The revealed prices:
UK£ 5999 = 7 494.77865 €

So maybe we can get the 55" under 6000€ euros. I guess it will probably be starting around 5999€. Anyway there's no signs about the 55" version as I told it disappeared from all e-shop I saw it (Polish, Netherlandish and spanish e-shops).

In Europe the average screen sizes are smaller than other markets and 55" is a common choice size so I don't know why didn't released this size yet.
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"We saw the TV for ourselves last night at LG's official launch event, and the 77in model was certainly impressive. The screen is surprisingly slim for such a huge display, although the slight curve makes the set much thicker at the back. We weren't able to play around with LG's smart features, but the 4K demo reels looked stunning. Colours were incredibly bright and vivid and the level of detail on show was astonishing. As lights flashed up and down a cityscape of Hong Kong, we were able to see each individual office building window in perfect clarity. "

"LG did in fact show a small clip from The Hobbit during its demo reel, but we had concerns over just how effective its upscaling technology will be in the final product. Bilbo's face had messy alternating patches of smooth skin and detailed stubble and we noticed lots of blocking and noise as he scrambled over mountains of coins in Smaug's cave. Still, we'll have to wait until we get our hands on a final review sample before we can deliver a final verdict."

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Probably more like $7.5k and $25k in the US.
And therein lies the problem for the 77". It's not worth it to me, it really isn't.

With that said, let's see what the actual prices are.
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I'm surprised it was ever on your list. They said way back in January at CES that the 77" would be a $25K set. Anyone who though otherwise was living a fantasy.
Well I guess I took LG at their word when they said pricing would not exceed 150% of the price of the typical LED for that size. Who knew they were lying?
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Goodbye sony
Sony will still have an excellent 65", FALD, competitive model and a 4K library that LG can't even begin to match let alone start.

To me that's a definite negative for LG in that they seriously lag Sony and, to a lesser degree, Samsung in terms of a viable 4K library.

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"LG did in fact show a small clip from The Hobbit during its demo reel, but we had concerns over just how effective its upscaling technology will be in the final product. Bilbo's face had messy alternating patches of smooth skin and detailed stubble and we noticed lots of blocking and noise as he scrambled over mountains of coins in Smaug's cave. Still, we'll have to wait until we get our hands on a final review sample before we can deliver a final verdict."
Hmm, that's a bit concerning. I wonder if this is the same upscaling used in their 4K LEDs?

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Sony will still have an excellent 65", FALD, competitive model and a 4K library that LG can't even begin to match let alone start.

To me that's a definite negative for LG in that they seriously lag Sony and, to a lesser degree, Samsung in terms of a viable 4K ?
The LG will have a picture the Sony cant even begin to match, something that's much more important,IMO, when spending $8k
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hdtvtest also mentioned it was a pre-production model made a while back, suggesting it was the same model from CES
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