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Im going to start things off with Ambilight which Philips heavily marketed before they exited the North American Market (for all intents and purposes).

Remember Ambilight

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curved screens commin' at ya...
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Im going to start things off with Ambilight which Philips heavily marketed before they exited the North American Market (for all intents and purposes).

Remember Ambilight

Is not that bad if you like to watch TV that way. You can also use Ambilight as bias lighting.



Philips Aurea is the worst Ambilight, and the most expensive.

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Philips Aurea = Yikes!

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PS - I like bias lighting. Not a fluctuating Disco Light Show, though.

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I discovered bias lighting entirely by accident. But I was informed that what I actually have is technically a kind of "behind the TV ambient light" because of how bright it is. It lights up the entire [yellow] wall behind my TV, but because there's no lamp to the side of my eyes (which drives me nuts), nor a reflection of a lamp on the screen (which drives me more nuts), and it somehow balances out the picture in a soothing way, I love it.

As I've said before, I don't care if it gives an ISF calibrator a stroke. Color temperature shmempurture....

User interface engineers: Always try to think in terms of putting in "un-do"s and not confirmation dialogs on every single question! Good grief! We're STILL doing this junior level newbie nonsense in 2015?????

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Do you guys think this is a gimmick as well?

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I like 21:9 screen sizes, so no it's not a gimmick.

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I like 21:9 screen sizes, so no it's not a gimmick.

 

The only problem with 21:9 screens is while the screen itself is 1080p, the movies come in at 1080p with the letterboxes drawn in.  There should have been a standard that allowed for 1080p movies of arbitrary width (space permitting) that would allow for 1:1 non-scaling because it would have no black bars at all.


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In the mid fifties, before color TV sets were affordable, my parents got a device for converting a black and white TV to show color. It was very economical. It was a transparent rectangle of plastic you attached to your TV screen, with the upper part tinted blue, the middle tinted green, and the lower part tinted red.
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Before big screens there was a company that made a fresnel lens for your TV, basically a magnifying glass for your TV.
It did work and results were as terrible as you would imagine.

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In the mid fifties, before color TV sets were affordable, my parents got a device for converting a black and white TV to show color. It was very economical. It was a transparent rectangle of plastic you attached to your TV screen, with the upper part tinted blue, the middle tinted green, and the lower part tinted red.
Most of the ones I saw pictures of had green on the bottom for grass. They kept the middle a skin tone.

Not that this would have been that much better....LOL....


User interface engineers: Always try to think in terms of putting in "un-do"s and not confirmation dialogs on every single question! Good grief! We're STILL doing this junior level newbie nonsense in 2015?????
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In the mid fifties, before color TV sets were affordable, my parents got a device for converting a black and white TV to show color. It was very economical. It was a transparent rectangle of plastic you attached to your TV screen, with the upper part tinted blue, the middle tinted green, and the lower part tinted red.
Thats awesome

My grandmother used to tell a story about my father growing up. He and his brothers would always watch Batman after school. Well one day, they decided to surprise the boys with a new color set. They put it in while they were at school and waited for them to come home.

They come home, turned on the set, and watched Batman. None of them even noticed!
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Thats awesome

My grandmother used to tell a story about my father growing up. He and his brothers would always watch Batman after school. Well one day, they decided to surprise the boys with a new color set. They put it in while they were at school and waited for them to come home.

They come home, turned on the set, and watched Batman. None of them even noticed!
One of our neighbors bought a color TV back in 1966. We used to go to their house just to watch Batman in color!
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Im going to nominate another one.

The Pentile Matrix (on Plasma)

Half the horizontal resolution! WTF!

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Growing up we had one console color tv in the living room. Later on I got a 12" B&W for my bedroom. There were three main channels and one independent UHF. One changed channels by getting up and turning the dial! By the 1980s cable tv became available.

Mechanical color back in the 1930s looks like a disaster.
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Remember the Cable Box Ver. 1.2.


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Im going to nominate another one.

The Pentile Matrix (on Plasma)

Half the horizontal resolution! WTF!

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Unfortunately I am away from my computer at the moment, so a long description is out of the question, but I completely disagree.

Pentile and other non rgb stripe variants are often a huge win visually. This is a huge conversation though and I've only recently become a convert myself. The fact that they spec out the resolution in what seems like cheesy ways is really a non issue so long as there are enough subpixels.
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Id be interested in that conversation when you have the time.

It only makes sense to me with regards to battery operated devices.

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Reduced chroma for anything other than the actual video codec stream itself.

(why should a wired digital video signal ever output anything other than 4:4:4 chroma?! The connection is uncompressed anyway; it doesn't reduce the bandwidth!)

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1.Samsung InfoLink. What a waste of a network jack!

2. Any vendor proprietary control jacks. I don't know of anyone that has ever used a single one of them yet vendors keep including them with their sets. Makes InfoLink look like a brilliant idea.
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Id be interested in that conversation when you have the time.

It only makes sense to me with regards to battery operated devices.
I'm back. But I'll have to yield to you on this one because I can't vouch for those plasma models....I'm not sure what they're basing things on, nor how they implemented it.

In general however, the thing that converted me on the the non-stripe arrangements is the way that they can defeat the natural aliasing that can occur more frequently with a standard stripe grid.

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Im going to start things off with Ambilight which Philips heavily marketed before they exited the North American Market (for all intents and purposes).Remember Ambilight
I love Ambilight and many people who got it love it too. It's not a gimmick because you can turn if off if you dislike it.

The fact that many people have bias/backlighting systems and kits not part of the TV shows that Ambilight is a winner.

What kills us is that the Aurea successor to Ambilight -- and it's much better from what I see -- is only available in Europe since Philips basically doesn't sell high-end sets anymore in the U.S.

I would kill to get an Aurea model that worked in the U.S.
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Philips Aurea is the worst Ambilight, and the most expensive.
We don't have these models in the U.S. and never had them.

They must be popular over in Europe to have lasted this many years, though.
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Keep in mind that the Philips TV division is sold a while back. Only the name remains.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...th-energy.html
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Does anyone use the hand waving stuff to control their TV? I guess I'll find out soon, but I don't see myself using that at all. I've watched very high end TVs at many people's houses but I have yet to see anyone make gestures at their TV set, and I'm sure at least some of them had that capability.

If I could expand this discussion to broadcasting gimmicks I'd have to throw the glow puck from NHL broadcasts in the 90s (FOX, I think) up towards the top.
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Curved screens need to be on this list; at anything under 100" they're pointless.
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honestly, I think that ambilight thing would be killer if it was programmed into the content, and not just extrapolated randomly. I mean, it's kind of annoying for most parts of a scene, but pretty cool when it lines up with an explosion, or some other flash of light.


the things I consider gimmicks on a tv
-curved screens
-'smart' features
-speakers
-any kind of 'dynamic' video mode
-frame interpolation
-'240hz' processing
-edgelighting
-voice commands/hand controls that think the audio coming from the tv is a command...


all I really want is a display with great picture quality and the input I need to hook it up to my receiver. I don't care how heavy it is, how much electricity it uses, how thick it is, or how pretty it looks with the room lights on and the tv off. if it's that ugly, i'll just build a false wall to hide it. what I can't hide is the image I'm trying to look at. if that is crap, then the tv is crap, period.

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