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Bad information there. They are mountable in their presently curved form.

Count me in the group that likes them the way they are, happy they are 4k, and happy the 3d is passive.
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One of the things that I'm not quite getting on the larger sets like the 77" is why they would be concerned over making it as thin as possible anyways. I get thin is cool and all that fun stuff but making it so thin as to make the strength questionable seems silly considering the sets expected use. At those sizes (and costs) people are not picking them up at Walmart and throwing them up on the dresser in the guest bedroom, it's likely going into a dedicated location where its mounting/stand has been factored into the room setup with the proverbial malice aforethought and the sets depth wont even be a factor in its appearance. Cant figure out if my own preferences are overwhelming some obvious factor that I'm just not getting here but I'm pretty certain that a few inches more thick in trade for a flat screen is a trade I make every day without even giving it a thought at the large sizes.
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I think this is correct. LG saw they could make oled sets very thin, giving them a visible, easy to sell advantage over LCDs. Problem arises when they move to larger sets. They're loathe to admit they need to make it thicker and/or heavier to keep it from FLEXING or falling over. Solution: bend it like Beckham. Luckily, Samsung have helped them out by curving their LCDs and spouting gobbledygook that curve improves both immersion AND viewing angle. A technical marvel. (in LCD case, the curve probably IS just a gimmick.)

This means we can expect larger sets to have more pronounced curves, if they're going to maintain the same the thinness. Of course they'll claim it's for optical reasons.

It's telling the LG reportedly has a motorized curved set that can be flattened out at push of a button. I'd be very surprised if that thing is pencil thin.

Could they make a set that can be hung like a picture frame?
Yet that doesn't seem to be the case with the 77"...at least from the pictures & videos we've seen. It might be thicker, but I don't think we know that yet.
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65" 4k flat oled wall mounted would look nice.
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Yet that doesn't seem to be the case with the 77"...at least from the pictures & videos we've seen. It might be thicker, but I don't think we know that yet.

Here is a link you can follow to download the user manual for both the 55EC9300 and the 77EC9800: http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-55EC9300#

It shows that the 55EC9300 has a depth of 1.7"

It also shows that the 77EC9800 has a depth of 1.3"

Unless this is an error, the 77EC9800 should not be any thicker than the 55EC9300 and could in fact be thinner.

A curve of about 1" regardless of screen width would mean that wider screens are effectively curved less...
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Here is a link you can follow to download the user manual for both the 55EC9300 and the 77EC9800: http://www.lg.com/us/support-product/lg-55EC9300#

It shows that the 55EC9300 has a depth of 1.7"

It also shows that the 77EC9800 has a depth of 1.3"

Unless this is an error, the 77EC9800 should not be any thicker than the 55EC9300 and could in fact be thinner.

A curve of about 1" regardless of screen width would mean that wider screens are effectively curved less...
Please 'splain'? Curved less than what? I'm tired and this is eluding me.
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Please 'splain'? Curved less than what? I'm tired and this is eluding me.

The 77EC9800 should have an even gentler curve (less of a curve) than the 55EC9300. Said another way, the 77EC9800 should be 'closer' to a flat screen than the 55EC9300.


Even if the 'depth' of these two TV was identical, because the 77EC9800 is wider, that would mean that it has less of a curve.


In fact, it appears that the 77EC9800 is less deep than the 55EC9300 (D=1.3" for the 77EC9800 versus D=1.7" for the 55EC9300), so it should be significantly less curved than the 55EC9300 (which is significantly less curved than the Samsung HU9000).
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I guess I'm trying to understand the correlation between the depth (thickness) of the display and the degree of curvature. Why couldn't we have a panel thickness of 1.3" for a 77" flat screen and the same thickness for a 77" curved screen.

Maybe I'm being dense on this.
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A 77 inch flexible display that adjust to both flat and curved modes (like the model shown in most pics we keep seeing) is likely to have different curves and thickness than a 77 inch panel dedicated to either form factor....
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Mo, I'm just talking about the fixed 77" display that fafrd was referencing.
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I guess I'm trying to understand the correlation between the depth (thickness) of the display and the degree of curvature. Why couldn't we have a panel thickness of 1.3" for a 77" flat screen and the same thickness for a 77" curved screen.

Maybe I'm being dense on this.
Ken,

Pretend the lines below are from above the OLED.

| Flat OLED

( Curved OLED

From above, the curved OLED is wider which is measured as depth on a tv.
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I guess I'm trying to understand the correlation between the depth (thickness) of the display and the degree of curvature. Why couldn't we have a panel thickness of 1.3" for a 77" flat screen and the same thickness for a 77" curved screen.

Maybe I'm being dense on this.

Maybe a little :-)


The depth D is the total distance from the front of the front left and right corners to the center of the back surface of the screen (behind where the circuit boards are).


draw a line from the front left corner to the front right corner and measure from the center of that line to the back surface of the TV. The only way to reduce that dimension from 1.7" (55EC9300) to 1.3" (77EC9800) is to reduce the curve.


It is not the thickness of the display as in the thickness of the sheet being curved - it is the thickness of the box needed to contain the curved display.

Hope that helps.
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Fafrd. Channeling Donald Duck are we?
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Fafrd. Channeling Donald Duck are we?

Been a while since I've watched Looney Toones - not sure I understand what you mean...
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sorry fafrd, not looney toons - it was a reference to a very old Disney short on mathematics starring Donald Duck back in the 60s. They described things very well for the laymen. Your description on drawing lines from one side to the other in your response above was very well done and reminiscent to me of that show. It was a pretty famous show, but maybe not as famous as I thought.
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sorry fafrd, not looney toons - it was a reference to a very old Disney short on mathematics starring Donald Duck back in the 60s. They described things very well for the laymen. Your description on drawing lines from one side to the other in your response above was very well done and reminiscent to me of that show. It was a pretty famous show, but maybe not as famous as I thought.

Gotcha. My teenager has been spending a lot of time on 'Kahn Academy' so maybe some of their pragmatic approach to teaching is rubbing off on me :-)
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Maybe a little :-)


The depth D is the total distance from the front of the front left and right corners to the center of the back surface of the screen (behind where the circuit boards are).


draw a line from the front left corner to the front right corner and measure from the center of that line to the back surface of the TV. The only way to reduce that dimension from 1.7" (55EC9300) to 1.3" (77EC9800) is to reduce the curve.


It is not the thickness of the display as in the thickness of the sheet being curved - it is the thickness of the box needed to contain the curved display.

Hope that helps.
OK, got it! OH BOY!!!! VERY DENSE AM I!!!! Excuse me while I retreat, very red-faced.
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OK, got it! OH BOY!!!! VERY DENSE AM I!!!! Excuse me while I retreat, very red-faced.

Well, after all of that, we now learn that the 77EC9800 will never come to market - it is being replaced by the 77EG9700 for which we don't yet have any dimensions - hopefully is will be similar to the spec of the 77EC9800 but we'll just have to hold tight for a few weeks to find out...
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Yeah, I saw that. A bit mysterious.
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Hello folks, so I've finally gotten my new flat LG Gallery OLED (55EA8800) and spent some quality time with it and wanted to give you my impressions so far! Maybe this makes more sense to post in the LG 55EA9800 Owner's thread since there are alarmingly few 55EA8800 people on here, which is crazy, but there is basically a little chronicling of my thought process on this thread leading up to deciding on this one, so I figure this is a good place.


I have been waiting for so long for an OLED to be here and finally be mine, and I wasn't disappointed! In short, I am extremely happy with this TV! I've been effusive with over-the-top hyperbole, and am regularly giddy to spend time with it. With this, I feel that my entertainment setup is finally perfect, and I am thrilled! Such sweet satisfaction! I just watched The Matrix and The Dark Knight Rises blu-rays on it, and they are easily the most visually thrilling experiences I have ever had. The effect of the contrast and the richness of the picture are so deeply satisfying and addictive. It truly is a very special screen. I've been so certain that the experience of perfect black and solved contrast ratio would be huge for me, and I was right! So I'll just start listing out some observations I've had:


The experience of having such a perfect contrast and perfect black is so addictive and endearing that I've even found that it's a temptation to get "greedy" in the settings by exaggerating the blacks. You can start to see that some blu-rays, or perhaps lesser blu-rays, have their own way of dishing out blacks, and while the richness is always clearly there even when it doesn't plunge to the bottom of the black, it's taken discipline to not fuss with the settings to sort of smash down those instances when a blu-ray deliberately isn't doing 100% black in a scene that could. Doing this would've punished you on other screens, but even when things are blacker than they should be there is a lot of poppiness to be had.


With a screen like this, and being addicted to the contrast ratio and perfect black, so far I often hop up out of my seat to peer into the difference between the "black" black and adjacent pixels that might have some details on it with near-black to really get a sense of what's going on and to test the limits of the black and whether there is any light emitting from those pixels. When there is a scene with a significant amount of "black" black and some very bright areas in the same movie scene, it gets to the point where it's become clear that the only thing that that could be perceived as not black in the "black" black pixels is literally the subtle little reflections off of objects and my skin from the bright area of the picture. Those pixels are truly not producing light when they are fully black, even when something bright is happening somewhere else in the picture. Early on, I would have the instant reaction of "Wha- did my screen just turn off... Oh yeah!" during all of my tinkering and nothing would be on the screen briefly to produce any light.


Games just look perfect on it, though I have been so taken away with blu-rays on it, I haven't played some of the games most important to me quite yet, which are game often in dark settings, so I'm super excited to dig into that! One of the games I tried playing on my OLED was a game in standard definition, which I had really low expectations for, but I was VERY pleasantly surprised. This game looked like hell on my LCD HDTV, and actually looks good on this one. So score one for LG's upconversion in this case. Here's hoping that continues for the people taking the plunge soon on the LG 4K OLED coming soon!


It's a crowd pleaser too! It really looks special mounted up in the "picture frame" even though I will never ever actually use that speaker. The picture frame is completely and totally optional by the way if you don't want to use it for sound, so I was divided about using it, but that TV is so incredibly thin that I guess it kind of makes me feel more secure with that mounted behind it. It looks so cool with that on there too, though one could easily make a case for mounting it without that.


I'm very impressed with the 3D! While I do feel like I can perceive the lowered resolution with passive 3D a bit, in a way contradictory to that that's hard to explain, the 3D makes it look almost super-high resolution at the same time. I showed the TV off to some relatives and made the mistake of going with a 3D blu-ray. I say "mistake," because, while of course they were super-enthusiastic about the picture ("it's sooo real!" etc.), they attributed the impressiveness to the 3D, and now think they definitely need a 3D TV, but that's what happens when you show stuff to oblivious people. But it was a lot of enthusiasm for the picture in general as well from what I'll call "normal" viewers, so of course its strengths as an OLED were surely striking for them as well, but 3D kind of steals the show for people who haven't seen proper 3D in this setting. I showed it to my sister in 2D, and, surprisingly, she said "it looks 3D!" There were some people on the AVS forum using that line as hyperbole for OLED, and, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised that they were right; my sister, who isn't all that invested in picture quality, unprovoked to do so said that it looked 3D during a 2D movie, so there you go!


So I'm sure some would like me to try to have like a "cons" section of this, so I'll give some critical statements, though they are pretty trifling:
First I want to point out that I haven't had a lot of the little quirks pointed out by many on here. I haven't spotted any dead pixels, and off-axis viewing seems perfectly fine. I was walking back and forth and it seemed like there was some very-subtle thing happening with the color, but it could have just as well been my imagination. It makes me wonder if this is even better for me because mine is flat. Probably not, but who knows... I also don't detect any uniformity issues so far or the yellowing that's worried some, but I haven't done slides or anything like that outside of running a simple calibration program. It looks immaculate to me!


One thing I will say is that there doesn't seem to be a point in using anything but "Game" mode. I had a bit of what seemed to be lip syncing trouble during 3D movies that just went away completely by switching to Game mode. Also, after some overly-obsessive testing, I was able to perceive of a bit of latency while playing games which easily improved in Game mode. So with those two things in mind, after finding that you can make Game mode look basically identical to other settings like ISF expert after tinkering with settings there, I see no reason to ever use anything except for Game mode, even while watching movies.


So the only thing that could be a con really is that I actually did manage to catch a bit of motion blur in a scene, but for whatever reason, it doesn't seem consistent. I went back to the scene in the movie where I first managed to notice it, and wasn't even able to reproduce it on the scale that caused me to be aware of it in the first place. I've spent time playing some games on it, and never sensed anything that could have been the blur I thought I saw. So by and large, I'm happy with the motion, but I guess that gives me something to look forward to if that's going to be a strength of an updated 4K standard in the future. This screen is better than my last in every way, and its strengths are so thrilling, that any con I could come up with would seem negligible.


Anyways, the moral of the story is that this screen is so worth it, and I couldn't be happier. Now it's time to go make the impossible decision of what blu-ray to watch or what game to play on it next. I'm also coordinating a Star Wars Saga blu-ray marathon to have on this soon! There is so much I want to see on this! Watching and re-watching movies on this is so addictive...
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Very nice review, I completely understand what you are saying
I have had multiple comments on 3d perception of 2d content
The infinite contrast ratio is truly mesmerizing
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Congrats on your new toy!


Please keep us fence sitters and wishful thinkers in mind as you continue to gain experience with your new OLED and give us an update on your experience from time to time...
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Thank you for posting the info. You should definitely start a new Official Owners thread for your FLAT LG Gallery OLED (55EA8800) and paste your review there.

YOU OWE IT to the FLAT TVs lovers, please
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What a splendid idea. Yes, please do start the first flat OLED owners thread with that post!
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Great review Hinsoog. I'd like some of the skeptics to read it.
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I really appreciate your guys' responses and compliments! The deed is done! I posted an official owner's thread for this screen: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...l#post26933409


Also, I updated my impressions in a separate post in the same thread. I also added some other pictures of my setup that I thought were excessive when I posted my impressions here, because, well, vanity, sweet sweet vanity. Heheh.


Thank you guys!
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I really appreciate your guys' responses and compliments! The deed is done! I posted an official owner's thread for this screen: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...l#post26933409


Also, I updated my impressions in a separate post in the same thread. I also added some other pictures of my setup that I thought were excessive when I posted my impressions here, because, well, vanity, sweet sweet vanity. Heheh.


Thank you guys!

I was just about to post but you beat me to it. An official owner's thread for the 55EA8800 already exists here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...l#post26916809

And since it only has 8 posts so far, it is not too late.

Suggest you have the moderator combine these two threads to avoid confusion (perhaps by adding the word 'flat' to the title of the older thread).
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I was just about to post but you beat me to it. An official owner's thread for the 55EA8800 already exists here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...l#post26916809

And since it only has 8 posts so far, it is not too late.

Suggest you have the moderator combine these two threads to avoid confusion (perhaps by adding the word 'flat' to the title of the older thread).

Oh wow, I'm not sure how that snuck by me! Whoops!


Combining sounds like a good idea, though if the moderator doesn't see my plea I suppose I could just post my content into that thread.
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Bad information there. They are mountable in their presently curved form.

Count me in the group that likes them the way they are, happy they are 4k, and happy the 3d is passive.
I'm on Cleveland Plasma's pre-order list for the 65" 4K. Chris told me they ordered 500 of them, so hopefully it won't be too long. After seeing the 9300 at a Best Buy, I'm fairly certain the curve isn't going to be an issue for me, either. Actually, I left the BB store kinda likin' the curve. The $3,000 price tag of the 9300 was extremely tempting, but I knew I wouldn't have been happy stepping down 9" from my 64" Samsung plasma. And after seeing some 3D clips from my USB thumb drive, I knew the loss of resolution for passive 3D would get to me, too. The 65" 4K set addresses both those concerns.

I'm pumped!
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65" oled is the one i want aswell if the price isnt way off here
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