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The last I read somewhere, some were complaining OLED doesn't have the natural look of a Plasma. They were saying OLED is a glorified LCD because of the digital look.
Thx mode reminds me of a plasma, standard mode(out of the box) reminds me of an LCD
No matter the setting, blacks are black
It like the LCD and plasma had a baby
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The last I read somewhere, some were complaining OLED doesn't have the natural look of a Plasma. They were saying OLED is a glorified LCD because of the digital look.
This is from someone who watched a demo at BB more than likely. The OLED is much brighter than plasma but can be calibrated just like any set. Lots of arm chair quarterbacks who are not even at the game commenting on OLED's. Read what the professionals reviews say, these reviews are independent with no horse in the race.

The OLED is much more like a plasma than an LCD. Great black levels, contrast, self lighting pixels and viewing angle. The same naysayers that attack OLED have been attacking plasmas for years. My bet is that most Kuro owners will one day move too OLED over LCD.
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Oled has its faults so over praising it is wrong uneven back panels, white looks grey, motion blur if u dont use djudder in the settings, I hope gen 2 will adress those issues.
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OLED envy? Get over it. I swear there is about 5 of you that spend your entire day attacking OLED. Wonder if any of you are on Sonys's payroll.

OLED envy: A serous condition where every other post must be an attack on OLED.

AVS Parrot: a member who repost the negative post of other members, usually a symptom of OLED envy.

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Oled envy ? Update my Oled died after 1000hours so i think i know its ups n downs.
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Wonder if any of you are on Sonys's payroll
Says the guy with multiple LG avatars
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Oled envy ? Update my Oled died after 1000hours so i think i know its ups n downs.
Died? You panicked when you realized you wanted a 4k OLED and found 8 sub-pixels bad and returned it. Where is one picture or post prior to your return about this horrible OLED death? OLED died? Big overstatement.

If it died so dramatically like you claim you sure wouldn't be looking to buy another one.

I look forward to hearing your opinion on your 4k OLED. Of course you might give the 2014 55" OLED a try while your waiting. And by the way, smart move.

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Says the guy with multiple LG avatars
I wish I was, I am a BIG OLED fan. I sure am not on the plasma site 20 times a day attacking it like the Parrots on the OLED forum.

I give pros and cons of the sets I know. I have praised the 900B more than most of the owners of the set.
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Lets relive... 1 First i got a cracked oled out of the box ... 2 Letterbar ir after 90min of a movie after multiple 100s of hours later.,1000hours its showed stuck pixels and multiple dead blue ones.
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Died? You panicked when you realized you wanted a 4k OLED and found 8 sub-pixels bad and returned it. Where one picture or post prior to your return? OLED died? Big overstatement.

If it died so dramatically like you claim you sure wouldn't be looking to buy another one.
More wanting a tv that didnt slowly die infront of me . and yes quality improves so gen 2 might fix n improve the current gen 1 issues.
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Lets relive... 1 First i got a cracked oled out of the box ... 2 Letterbar ir after 90min of a movie after multiple 100s of hours later.,1000hours its showed stuck pixels and multiple dead blue ones.
Your OLED for life and you know it. I think I actually tried to convince myself I did not want an OLED when I was giving a 900B a try (nice 4k set). The though of living without OLED scared the hell out of me so I went running back. I might just return this set because it has 2 green sub pixels out and give the 4k OLED a try?

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Will get a new one with time yes still got fait in the tech and Lg.nordic mailed me a apology yesterday of my issues with it so that was a first from a tv maker.
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Will get a new one with time yes still got fait in the tech and Lg.nordic mailed me a apology yesterday of my issues with it so that was a first from a tv maker.
No display is perfect or ever will be and i would never claim OLED is. It's a matter of which imperfections do you want to live with.

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I love Robert, the shootout, and everyone's enthusiasm for it.

But, my Lord, this year's seems almost entirely pointless.

The Samsung OLED has not been manufactured in many months. It may not be "discontinued" in dealer parlance, but it's most certainly discontinued in the sense that it isn't being made. Worse, Samsung has no current plans to even make a successor. I'm not sure testing the soon-to-be-discontinued LG against a soon-to-be-discontinued plasma is all that interesting either.

On the 4K side, we have a few really, really big TVs being brought in. While I get that 4K shines when you go bigger, the entire global volume for all 4 of those TVs is probably under 100K units. For the year. No shootout has even tested so few models anyone will ever be buying anywhere and has drifted so far from mainstream products.

I'm not blaming anyone; I'm just not even slightly sure what the point is.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Actually, it's the soon-to-be released LG OLED that is making a shootout appearance (the discontinued model will thankfully not be there), which to me is the one bright spot of this particular shootout because it will help to clarify how much improvement they've made in the problem areas in a year's (or less) time. I also have a mild curiosity as to how it measures up to Samsung's one and only OLED.
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I love Robert, the shootout, and everyone's enthusiasm for it.

But, my Lord, this year's seems almost entirely pointless.

The Samsung OLED has not been manufactured in many months. It may not be "discontinued" in dealer parlance, but it's most certainly discontinued in the sense that it isn't being made. Worse, Samsung has no current plans to even make a successor. I'm not sure testing the soon-to-be-discontinued LG against a soon-to-be-discontinued plasma is all that interesting either.

On the 4K side, we have a few really, really big TVs being brought in. While I get that 4K shines when you go bigger, the entire global volume for all 4 of those TVs is probably under 100K units. For the year. No shootout has even tested so few models anyone will ever be buying anywhere and has drifted so far from mainstream products.

I'm not blaming anyone; I'm just not even slightly sure what the point is.

I am forced to agree Mark which is why I am not all that upset about not being able to attend this shootout after having been to nearly all of them. I would have liked to see him put more focus on TVs that are the size that more people can use in their homes, like 65" which is even stretching it for most people. Part of the problem is that LG won't make the new larger OLED available until some time in September, which would have delayed the event even longer. As I recall, it was originally set for June. Then you have the issues with Panasonic. The next 4K set that imagic has reviewed here on AVS is only available at Best Buy. Robert would have to buy one himself for the shootout. I am not even sure Panasonic wouldn't complain about that. How Panasonic has treated Robert considering how many Panny plasmas Robert has moved for them in the past is really quite shocking. Therefore, considering the focus on 4K and the ability or lack thereof of the CE Companies to provide sets for the shootout, Robert is probably doing the best that can be done. IN my mind, there will have to be another mini shootout with the winner pitted against that 65 or 77" OLED and the Vizio R series, if that set ever makes it to the market.
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Panasonic is probably not participating because they may have decided to stop making TVs completely.

I would not be surprised to see an announcement from them by the end of year, or sooner, that they have made such a decision.
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Panasonic is probably not participating because they may have decided to stop making TVs completely.

I would not be surprised to see an announcement from them by the end of year, or sooner, that they have made such a decision.
One thing has nothing to do with the other.

It's been stated over and over again that Panasonic has a distribution deal with Best Buy. Nevermind that Panasonic's plasmas were lauded by critics and where did that get them, year over year losses and a shrinking marketshare? Quality doesn't sell-- buzzwords and shiny marketing sell. The shootout is more of a distraction for the manufacturers involved.

Panasonic shuttering it's plasma division is a major scaling back of their TV business. That does not automatically mean they're getting out of the game. Streamlining product line and cutting manufacturing costs is the sign of a company re-focusing their efforts in order to stay viable.

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You have a nice plasma.
Limited VERTICAL viewing angle has no bearing on actual tv watching. Plasma still has best viewing angle.
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Are live video sources included in these shootouts?

I would like to see them wait for the NFL and/or college season to start - and use live football for a comparison. After all, live sports is a big selling tool and one of the most popular reasons for buying a new, fancy TV.

Of course they may already do this, and I’m being lazy by not looking it up - but I would think showing everyday, live viewing would be a truthful comparison of these TVs capabilities.
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Surely a Kuro has to be squeezed in somewhere. The shootout is not complete without D-nice describing the relative performance of a fully calibrated but partially tweaked Kuro monitor.
It has been announced that D-Nice will present a 2014 Models vs. Pioneer KRP-500M segment LOL
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On the 4K side, we have a few really, really big TVs being brought in. While I get that 4K shines when you go bigger, the entire global volume for all 4 of those TVs is probably under 100K units. For the year. No shootout has even tested so few models anyone will ever be buying anywhere and has drifted so far from mainstream products.

I'm not blaming anyone; I'm just not even slightly sure what the point is.
Hold on now, Mark. Yes, past global sales are fine, but they are not and never have been benchmarks for the type of products that either shootout attendees or AVS members will seriously consider.
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It has been announced that D-Nice will present a 2014 Models vs. Pioneer KRP-500M segment LOL
I suspect that D-Nice will present a Pioneer KRP-500M vs the 2020 models in the 2020 shootout.
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Let the kuro lump die god its like keeping a tv on life support.
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500M to shake things up ! Great news.

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Let the kuro lump die god its like keeping a tv on life support.
Heros never die !

Now how difficult is it to get an invite to the shootout if you are not an industry insider ? Would it help if I said I was an Australian willing to fly from London for a long weekend where I am temporarily working as an example of enthusiasm ?
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Now how difficult is it to get an invite to the shootout if you are not an industry insider ? Would it help if I said I was an Australian willing to fly from London for a long weekend where I am temporarily working as an example of enthusiasm ?

1st post of thread, contact Robert and he'll Ty to fit you in if there are seats available don't need to be an industry insider to attend.
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Gunhed, tell Robert that you can have my seat. I will be in Belgium before hitting London.
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I never seen Samsungs Oled in its flesh ,as it never went for sale in most of Eu so a vs from the pro calibrators on that vs Lg new oled im looking vs great intrest.
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This is from someone who watched a demo at BB more than likely. The OLED is much brighter than plasma but can be calibrated just like any set. Lots of arm chair quarterbacks who are not even at the game commenting on OLED's. Read what the professionals reviews say, these reviews are independent with no horse in the race.

The OLED is much more like a plasma than an LCD. Great black levels, contrast, self lighting pixels and viewing angle. The same naysayers that attack OLED have been attacking plasmas for years. My bet is that most Kuro owners will one day move too OLED over LCD.
No. I heard from someone who has an LG and compared it to a kuro side by side. And from another person on another forum. One even recommended if the plasma look is what you're after OLED isn't it. Don't mistake that for looking for something negative to find about OLED. We all like plasmas and just want the same natural organic image with the advantages that OLED brings. 0 blacks etc. Not everyone has an agenda. I for one was a little disappointed even hearing ONE person think that. Even the pictures posted looked a little too clean and LCD like. I'm looking forward to buying a 70" OLED, if that ever happens, but not if i have to deal with an extremely sharp digital looking picture.

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