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Independent electronics retailer Value Electronics pits top TVs against each other in its tenth annual shootout. The lineup includes LCD, plasma, and OLED panels.

2014 is a year of seismic shifts in the TV industry. It is the year that both Samsung and Panasonic stopped making plasma, and it is the year of the curved screen. It is the year of unexpectedly robust UHD/4K TV sales, and the year that the list price of a major-brand 84-inch UHDTV dropped below $10,000. It's fitting, therefore, that this is also the year that Value Electronics will hold its tenth annual flat-panel shootout.


The 105-inch UN105S9W 21:9 LED-FALD LCD costs $120,000 and (might) make an appearance at this year's shootout.

Although Value Electronics is an independent electronics retailer, its founder—Robert Zohn—expends considerable effort to make sure it is a fair competition. The goal is to bring properly calibrated TVs together for comparison under controlled conditions and to have an audience full of AV enthusiasts vote on what they see.

This year's shootout consists of two all-day events scheduled for August 16 and 17. The event takes place in the Value Electronics showroom, located in Scarsdale, NY. If you are interested in attending, you should contact Robert Zohn and request an application.

Here is the (almost) final list of the TVs that are scheduled to be included in the shootout:

UHD/4K Models

LG 79UB9800 or 84UB9800 LED-edgelit LCD

Samsung UN78HU9000 LED-edgelit LCD

Samsung UN85S9 16:9 or UN105S9W 21:9 LED-FALD LCD

Sony XBR-85X950B LED-FALD LCD

1080p Models:

LG 55EC9300 OLED

Samsung PN64F8500 plasma

Samsung KN55S9C OLED

Possible:

Vizio M652i-B2 1080p LED-FALD LCD

The somewhat Samsung-centric lineup of TVs is not the only star of the show.The event will include presentations from video guru Joe Kane and Dr. Larry Weber, the plasma-TV pioneer. A panel of notable video experts consisting of Kevin Miller, DeWayne Davis, and David Mackenzie calibrate the TVs and otherwise run the show. In addition, a senior engineer or executive from each manufacturer will give a presentation about their company's TVs.


Samsung's PN64F8500 plasma won last year's shootout.

I attended last year's event, and I can attest to the value of comparing calibrated TVs under controlled lighting. I wound up buying the TV that won last year's popular vote—the Samsung PN64F8500. This year, the F8500 makes a return appearance as the only plasma in the lineup, but goes up against an all-new slate of challengers. From full-array backlit LCD to OLED, the latest TVs represent a significant challenge to plasma displays, which have won the majority of previous Value Electronics shootouts. Among the TVs currently on the list, which one do you think will win the popular and expert vote?

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no 65' 4k oled yet they include a discontinued samsung oled???
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id like them to include the VT/ZT series panny and the F8500 simply to see how they are holding up
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id like them to include the VT/ZT series panny and the F8500 simply to see how they are holding up
The F8500 is there.
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no 65' 4k oled yet they include a discontinued samsung oled???
Robert says the Samsung OLED is not discontinued per se, and will be available through Q2 2015.
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What a great line up list
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no 65' 4k oled yet they include a discontinued samsung oled???
The 65x950b vs the 65ec9700 would have been an interesting match up, it's too bad that the shootout is about a month too early, but its already been delayed as it is.
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Independent electronics retailer Value Electronics pits top TVs against each other in its tenth annual shootout. The lineup includes LCD, plasma, and OLED panels.

2014 is a year of seismic shifts in the TV industry. It is the year that both Samsung and Panasonic stopped making plasma, and it is the year of the curved screen. It is the year of unexpectedly robust UHD/4K TV sales, and the year that the list price of a major-brand 84-inch UHDTV dropped below $10,000. It's fitting, therefore, that this is also the year that Value Electronics will hold its tenth annual flat-panel

Although Value Electronics is an independent electronics retailer, its founder—Robert Zohn—expends considerable effort to make sure it is a fair competition. The goal is to bring properly calibrated TVs together for comparison under controlled conditions and to have an audience full of AV enthusiasts vote on what they see.

This year's shootout consists of two all-day events scheduled for August 16 and 17. The event takes place in the Value Electronics showroom, located in Scarsdale, NY. If you are interested in attending, you should contact Robert Zohn and request an application.

Here is the (almost) final list of the TVs that are scheduled to be included in the shootout:

UHD/4K Models

LG 79UB9800 or 84UB9800 LED-edgelit LCD

Samsung UN78HU9000 LED-edgelit LCD

Samsung UN85S9 16:9 or UN105S9W 21:9 LED-FALD LCD

Sony XBR-85X950B LED-FALD LCD

1080p Models:

LG 55EC9300 OLED

Samsung PN64F8500 plasma

Samsung KN55S9C OLED

Possible:

Vizio M652i-B2 1080p LED-FALD LCD

The somewhat Samsung-centric lineup of TVs is not the only star of the show.The event will include presentations from video guru Joe Kane and Dr. Larry Weber, the plasma-TV pioneer. A panel of notable video experts consisting of Kevin Miller, DeWayne Davis, and David Mackenzie calibrate the TVs and otherwise run the show. In addition, a senior engineer or executive from each manufacturer will give a presentation about their company's TVs.
Samsung's PN64F8500 plasma won last year's shootout.

I attended last year's event, and I can attest to the value of comparing calibrated TVs under controlled lighting. I wound up buying the TV that won last year's popular vote—the Samsung PN64F8500. This year, the F8500 makes a return appearance as the only plasma in the lineup, but goes up against an all-new slate of challengers. From full-array backlit LCD to OLED, the latest TVs represent a significant challenge to plasma displays, which have won the majority of previous Value Electronics shootouts. Among the TVs currently on the list, which one do you think will win the popular and expert vote?

Disappointed to see that the Toshiba 65L9400U will not be there - do you know what happened?


Also looks like the Panasonic AX800 will not be competing - do you know if that was because Panasonic decided not to participate this year or because preliminary testing indicated it did not perform well enough to be a participant?


And lastly, when will a decision on the Vizio M652i-B2 be made? Is it a question of whether Vizio wants to participate or not or only whether preliminary testing by VE confirms that performance is sufficient to participate?
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Without the inclusion of a 4K OLED, this is a largely pointless exercise.

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Cant include whats not even out simple logic
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Disappointed to see that the Toshiba 65L9400U will not be there - do you know what happened?

Also looks like the Panasonic AX800 will not be competing - do you know if that was because Panasonic decided not to participate this year or because preliminary testing indicated it did not perform well enough to be a participant?

And lastly, when will a decision on the Vizio M652i-B2 be made? Is it a question of whether Vizio wants to participate or not or only whether preliminary testing by VE confirms that performance is sufficient to participate?
Toshiba - not released/ready in time

Panasonic - declined to participate

Vizio - It's not clear what the issue is. Last I heard they were evaluating it's performance/suitability
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Curious to see how the new LG EA9300 Full HD OLED will hold up against last year's Samsung KN55S9C OLED.
AFAIK picture quality wise the Samsung OLED is considered the slightly better OLED TV when compared to last year's EA9800 due to its RGB subpixel structure, better greyscale uniformity and the possibility to use BFI.
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Oleds are for me the most intresting aspect of this shootout when is this years event date?
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Oleds are for me the most intresting aspect of this shootout when is this years event date?
"This year's shootout consists of two all-day events scheduled for August 16 and 17. "
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Toshiba - not released/ready in time

Panasonic - declined to participate

Vizio - It's not clear what the issue is. Last I heard they were evaluating it's performance/suitability

Great - thanks. And I see that the Sharp UQ is not going to be there either - is that because Sharp declined or because testing revealed that the UQ was not suitable?


Pity about Toshiba.
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Panasonic - declined to participate
really?

after all the hype last year they decline to participate this year.....

somewhat suspicious move.....especially considering the relative performance of their last LED in the shootout


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So about livestreaming...
btw are Leo Bodnar Input Lag testers on board? Need to know the lag of the EC9300.
Would also be interesting to know how many dimming zones the big Sony FALD actually brings to the table.

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really?

after all the hype last year they decline to participate this year.....

somewhat suspicious move.....especially considering the relative performance of their last LED in the shootout
As far as I read they seem to have signed an exclusive deal with a certain big electronics chain...
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I hope the tweaked 500M makes an appearance this year. Will be very interesting to see how the OLED and 4K sets compare to it.
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Input lag tests would been nice loads of us game and curious on this part of tvs.
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Oleds are for me the most intresting aspect of this shootout when is this years event date?
Mid August which is too early in the year to include the sets that matter since the sets most people are waiting for are going to be released in fall or winter. Too bad the manufacturers cant get these tv's to ve for the shoot out.
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The F8500 is there.
Would love to see a ZT calibrated with high panel brightness included in this.
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Out of curiosity, what tv do you own?
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no 65' 4k oled yet they include a discontinued samsung oled???
I'm not sure but I don't think they are making any 65 foot OLED screens yet. 4K or otherwise.
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Curious to see how the new LG EA9300 Full HD OLED will hold up against last year's Samsung KN55S9C OLED.
AFAIK picture quality wise the Samsung OLED is considered the slightly better OLED TV when compared to last year's EA9800 due to its RGB subpixel structure, better greyscale uniformity and the possibility to use BFI.
Sadly, by reading CNET's preview of the Samsung OLED, the curve of this tv distorts the picture, unlike the LG OLED that don't distort it. No mention of distortion due to curve in LG OLED tv reviews.

CNET: http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-kn55s9c/ "For a videophile with money to burn who doesn't mind a relatively small 55-inch size, the curved screen is a major fly in the ointment. It was definitely noticeable from the sweet spot at my seating distance of about 7 feet. The corners seemed wider than the middle, creating a subtle trapezoid effect that I found distracting compared to the flatter shape of the traditional screen. The horizontal edges bowed wider toward the edges too, creating a subtle "U" along the top edge and an inverted one along the bottom.


Another strange effect was that the roundness of the curve changed as I sat higher or lower relative to the screen. From my standard seating position, in an office chair watching the TV set atop a 2.5-foot stand, the bottom of the screen bent more noticeably than the top. From off-angle the distortions became even less equal.


The TV also angles back on its stand by default. Samsung's rep told me part of the reason was to comply with standards designed to prevent it from falling over. The visual effect, however, is of even more distortion; from my seat the vertical edges of the screen narrow toward the top. Combined with any distortions in the film -- "I Am Legend" uses a lot of fish-eye lens shots, for example -- the total started to seem Escheresque"


Also, 65ms input lag in Game Mode.
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Interested in hearing about that Sony FALD LCD, although, wish there was more OLED.
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Less curve on Lg oled tvs vs Samsung tvs
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I'm definitely interested to see how the OLED perform. I'm very glad the f8500 will be there as a measuring stick as well.


the one thing I thought was interesting is that there's basically no 1080p lcd's this year. has UHD really become that dominant?


will there be crossover comparisons? I mean, ultimately I'm curious in what the best tv is, and if a 1080p oled happens to have better image quality than a UHD lcd, then so be it. I'd like to know that though.
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Out of curiosity, what tv do you own?
64" F8500, though I don't see how that's relevant to my near total lack of interest in a shootout between those models. Every confirmed entrant except one is from one of two Korean CE makers. There's not a lot of variety in the entrants or any interesting panels from other players. If the Vizio is included that's about the most interesting twist on the whole thing. Ultimately, it's not hard to predict the outcome with reasonable certainty.

  • The F8500 will ace the motion portion
  • The F8500 followed by the OLED will take viewing angle
  • Plasma will lose the daytime viewing portion
  • OLED will have the best dark room viewing
  • The F8500 and the FALD sets will swap blows behind the OLED for dark room viewing with the FALD LCDs likely offering slightly darker blacks, but at the cost of blooming
  • The edge lit LCD panels will struggle at pretty much everything but daytime viewing
  • There won't be any significant differences between any of them in Rec.709 color
  • The UHD sets will offer additional resolution on UHD content provided the content is not fast moving and the viewing distance is close enough
  • The UHD sets will not offer any noteworthy benefit on HD content

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In my opinion:

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64" F8500, though I don't see how that's relevant to my near total lack of interest in a shootout between those models. Every confirmed entrant except one is from one of two Korean CE makers. There's not a lot of variety in the entrants or any interesting panels from other players. If the Vizio is included that's about the most interesting twist on the whole thing. Ultimately, it's not hard to predict the outcome with reasonable certainty.

  • The F8500 will ace the motion portion I guess
  • The F8500 followed by the OLED will take viewing angle http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1375254254#10 "Samsung F8500 has very limited vertical viewing angles; not only from the top but also from the bottom" The OLED will win in Viewing Angles.
  • Plasma will lose the daytime viewing portion Yes
  • OLED will have the best dark room viewing Yes
  • The F8500 and the FALD sets will swap blows behind the OLED for dark room viewing with the FALD LCDs likely offering slightly darker blacks, but at the cost of blooming Oled perfect blacks, and FALD weaker blacks and blooming.
  • The edge lit LCD panels will struggle at pretty much everything but daytime viewing Yes
  • There won't be any significant differences between any of them in Rec.709 color Yes
  • The UHD sets will offer additional resolution on UHD content provided the content is not fast moving and the viewing distance is close enough I don't know much about 4K tvs.
  • The UHD sets will not offer any noteworthy benefit on HD content I don't know much about 4K tvs.
You have a nice plasma.
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