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$2K seems like larceny (tax included), considering the PQ and abilities of the set, compared to the Sony 55" XBR850B, which I took home, and brought back to the store, the next day, and the comparable Samsung, which looks like mud off axis by more than 20 degrees.

Everything, of course, is relative.
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The company's third OLED TV to reach the market in 13 months breaks the $100-per-diagonal-inch price barrier.

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Now, if only LG would make more flat OLEDs with down-to-earth pricing for those of us who don't want a curved screen, I'd be all over that, wouldn't you?

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Yes, I would.

My ideal TV is an 8K, flat, glasses-free 3D OLED in my main home theater room. I'm hoping I'll actually be able to own one of those before they fling my ashes into the wind - and I'm no spring chicken. Until then, I'll settle for a 65" 4K OLED hanging on the wall of my bedroom, and costing no more than I paid for my first 64" Samsung 3D plasma in 2011. The latter seems like something that has a great chance of happening. Even given the possibility of an early bugle call from my maker, I'd make that bet.

Still, OLED looks so much better than plasma that I might just go for this smaller 55" set and simply extend the mount to bring it closer when I watch. I know, it's not the same, but I'm head over heals in love with the contrast of OLED sets. I may not be able to resist at this price.

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I questioned( and posted) where those came from as well

I agree with your "possible financial market" example

then there is the flipside
there are people that can easily afford it....but they dont see enough difference to spend 2x-3x more and just buy something like the new Vizio FALD
And again...I havent seen the new Vizio M personally
but if its as good as what I have heard ...at that price there will be a line forming
Well...for those that are going to be in the market for a TV this year anyway

I think the Tv industry has about run out of hat tricks and cost cutting measures
The market is so saturated that they want( and need) you back almost annually to buy a TV

any predictions on what company is exiting( for all practical purposes) the TV market next?

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Saw the original again tonight. The LG OLED is so visually stunning that such a flip side may be less of an issue.


(I do wonder if the increased contrast makes the pixel structure even more pronounced though at 1080P and 55" if one wants to sit closer...)
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55" Vizio E Series 1080p FALD LED/LCD is priced at $680 - a small step backwards in features and PQ from the M Series, it is considered by many to be the performance-for-price leader in the 1080p market this year and is priced at one third of the $2000 Micro Center deal on the 55EA9800.
Vizio a 1080p leader? Maybe in a LCD only world. Micro-Center also sells a 60" LG Plasma for $599 that most likely blows away any 1080p LCD you've listed. I'm kind of surprised LG is still in the plasma game given their pricing.
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Premium flat-screen TVs account for about 10% of the overall TV market, or about 20 Million units a year.
That implies 200 million TVs were sold last year. The whole US population is a little over 300 million and there are only 115 million households. So, this can't be a US number unless every US household bought more than 1 TV on average last year.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Is there a source that can be cited for your stats?

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You're right about the M-series. I purchased one about two weeks ago Took it back because the picture was not that good my five-year-old E series vizio look better. I purchase a 48 inch E series and I'm happy with it
This is not possible. Ever since CES fafrd has been infatuated with the 2014 Vizio models and proclaiming in every OLED thread that OLED has no chance against mighty Vizio and their 16 or 32 zone "FALD" sets.
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Saw the original again tonight. The LG OLED is so visually stunning that such a flip side may be less of an issue.


(I do wonder if the increased contrast makes the pixel structure even more pronounced though at 1080P and 55" if one wants to sit closer...)
agreed...at $1999 for the 1080P 55"...I am tempted

55" though is a little to big for the master bedroom armoire.....and too small to take the place of my main TV

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Vizio a 1080p leader? Maybe in a LCD only world. Micro-Center also sells a 60" LG Plasma for $599 that most likely blows away any 1080p LCD you've listed. I'm kind of surprised LG is still in the plasma game given their pricing.
are you talking sales volume or profit?
I think Vizio only sells TV's in North America

I would not doubt that the margins for both LG and Microcenter on that plasma Tv are smaller
Though I would bet both LG and Microcenter are still making a profit


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Yes, I would.

My ideal TV is an 8K, flat, glasses-free 3D OLED in my main home theater room. I'm hoping I'll actually be able to own one of those before they fling my ashes into the wind - and I'm no spring chicken. Until then, I'll settle for a 65" 4K OLED hanging on the wall of my bedroom, and costing no more than I paid for my first 64" Samsung 3D plasma in 2011. The latter seems like something that has a great chance of happening. Even given the possibility of an early bugle call from my maker, I'd make that bet.

Still, OLED looks so much better than plasma that I might just go for this smaller 55" set and simply extend the mount to bring it closer when I watch. I know, it's not the same, but I'm head over heals in love with the contrast of OLED sets. I may not be able to resist at this price.
The contrast really is striking. I just cannot stomach spending so much on a 55" TV. If it was this price or even a little more, but 65" it would be a no brainer.
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I dont mind paying between 3000-4000 for a new monitor on an ongoing basis as new models and technologies emerge, but I want AT LEAST 65"+
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So you actually thought you were committing larceny? Of course, mens rea is not enough especially when the seller actually took advantage of you. Just kidding. Enjoy.
i feel lucky to be taken advantage of
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I'll wait for a 4K OLED Flat 65" at around $3.5k, let's how long it takes
My price-point is lower (<$2K) but I am patient. Perhaps it won't take long after all if there is a successor to OLED.

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You're right about the M-series. I purchased one about two weeks ago Took it back because the picture was not that good my five-year-old E series vizio look better. I purchase a 48 inch E series and I'm happy with it
Congratulations on a great tv! The E series is the way to go. I don't have any faith that their entry into top tier television is going to be any good now that I've read reports similar to yours on the M series. No need to wait for a P series when there's the fantastic E series already available.
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My price-point is lower (<$2K) but I am patient. Perhaps it won't take long after all if there is a successor to OLED.
LOL. Product just about to hit mainstream after almost a decade in development and you're already looking forward to it's replacement.
My guess on a 65" 4K OLED below $2k ? Maybe mid-2016, and only on clearance for earlier models.
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I presently have a Panasonic 65" plasma and I know my next purchase (down the line) wont be sadly, plasma. While I see this LG having some great things about it, can anyone tell me how well it would handle 24p as compared to say plasma and led/lcd. Other than not liking the curved screen, it seems to be a rather smart offering.
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Does anyone know if future non-curved OLED sets will have the option not to be wall mounted? The current "Gallery" non-cruved OLED from LG must be wall mounted. Thank you!
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This is not possible. Ever since CES fafrd has been infatuated with the 2014 Vizio models and proclaiming in every OLED thread that OLED has no chance against mighty Vizio and their 16 or 32 zone "FALD" sets.

This the second thread where I have discovered you putting words in my mouth - please stop it.


I have never said or posted anything to suggest I believed that any 2014 Vizio TV would outperform an OLED TV. I have said I would not be surprised to see the 2014 Vizio FALD TVs outperform edge-lit LED/LCDs including last years 'top' LED/LCD the Samsung F8000 and this years crop including the HU9000 and HU8550.


I have also said that LG is going to have to prove that their OLED TVs are as reliable and easy to care for as LED/LCDs or they will be at risk of discovering a much more limited market acceptance than they are hoping for - hopefully the gen-2 WOLEDs about to hit the channels will prove exactly that (in addition to delivering second-to-none picture quality).
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Does anyone know if future non-curved OLED sets will have the option not to be wall mounted? The current "Gallery" non-cruved OLED from LG must be wall mounted. Thank you!
I don't see why not, every flat panel comes with a stand and option to wall mount, with the exception of OLED curve. New 4K ones will have both options.

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Most astounding PQ on the market aside, what makes this debut so impressive is when you compare the price of it to what a 40" plasma cost at its debut.

As to the curve, I screamed and moaned at its outset from AVS reports, but once I saw it in person it became a non-issue and a benefit in the WAF department.
I don't get the curved screen thing. What's it supposed to do for you?
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and a 40" plasma price didnt fall 50% after it was on the market for less than a year either..


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At the time, most TV was still CRT. Plasma wasn't, at that point, just an enhanced flat screen.

I got one of the last Panasonic 65VT60s in January and it's not going anywhere any time soon. It will take a few years at least for the newer variants of screen technology to shake out, and it remains to be seen whether picture quality will even be an issue.
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I don't get the curved screen thing. What's it supposed to do for you?
It adds really nothing but is not really bad either.
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It adds really nothing but is not really bad either.
I still don't get it. It can't be cheaper to make so why have it? Marketing hype?

Just give me a high quality image. The reason I snatched one of the last Panasonic 6VT60s was because movies look like movies on good plasma, rather than like a movie on TV.

Does OLED has the appearance of depth of plasma? All the LCD variants I look at seem flat.
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I still don't get it. It can't be cheaper to make so why have it? Marketing hype?

Just give me a high quality image. The reason I snatched one of the last Panasonic 6VT60s was because movies look like movies on good plasma, rather than like a movie on TV.

Does OLED has the appearance of depth of plasma? All the LCD variants I look at seem flat.
OLED at its best has infinite contrast, so screen "depth" (if by that you mean seeing everything from the brightest brights to the darkest darks) is far better than plasma, which has never been able to achieve infinite contrast. We could quibble that our instruments aren't sophisticated enough to measure true black (the total absence of light), but for all practical purposes OLED beats plasma hands down in contrast. LCD isn't even in the discussion.
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I don't see why not, every flat panel comes with a stand and option to wall mount, with the exception of OLED curve. New 4K ones will have both options.
According to Amazon, the LG Electronics 55EA8800 55-Inch 1080p 3D Smart OLED TV (no curve) is wall-mountable only.


See http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics.../dp/B00ITITH40


Note: I put link to Amazon, and it appears as Crutchfield? What's up with that?


So wondering if future non-curve OLED will also be wall-mountable only.


Anybody know? Is there something inherent in the design that makes it wall-mountable only? Thanks!

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According to Amazon, the LG Electronics 55EA8800 55-Inch 1080p 3D Smart OLED TV (no curve) is wall-mountable only.


See http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics.../dp/B00ITITH40


So wondering if future non-curve OLED will also be wall-mountable only.


Anybody know? Is there something inherent in the design that makes it wall-mountable only? Thanks!

I already tolled you they will have both options as for the 55EA8800, check this link.


http://www.trustedreviews.com/lg-55ea8800_TV_review

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I already tolled you they will have both options as for the 55EA8800, check this link.


http://www.trustedreviews.com/lg-55ea8800_TV_review
Thanks. Wonder how Amazon (among others) could get it so wrong.
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It adds really nothing but is not really bad either.
I saw the LG 55EA9700 today and what stroke me the most was not the picture quality but the overall look of the curve tv. (Weird visual effect) It was 55" but it looked way smaller than my 55" plasma. They were displaying a 1080i baseball game & I didn't find it any better, it actually looked worse. The picture where the scoreboards was had bluriness and overall picture didn't look very clear. it must of been the feed, because I'm sure these tv's can look phenomenal giving the proper feed. I hope the look of the new ones don't look so cheaply made either, didn't like the clear plastic bottom stand.

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I saw the LG 55EA9700 today and what stroke me the most was not the picture quality but the overall look of the curve tv. (Weird visual effect) It was 55" but it looked way smaller than my 55" plasma. They were displaying a 1080i baseball game & I didn't find it any better, it actually looked worse. The picture where the scoreboards was had bluriness and overall picture didn't look very clear. it must of been the feed, because I'm sure these tv's can look phenomenal giving the proper feed. I hope the look of the new ones don't look so cheaply made either, didn't like the clear plastic bottom stand.
It hasn't occurred to me until just now but maybe the point of a curved set was in part to get people to buy larger displays.

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you give them too much credit. I doubt very much any manufacturer is planning 2 or 3 moves ahead at this point...


it's different for the sake of different. if you can't fix blacks, or uniformity, or motion, or viewing angle... and you can't afford to reduce pricing... but you're already in debt so you need to sell more units...


basically they NEED something to make new TV's 'better' than the old ones. the only thing they were capable of was doing the curve thing and hoping it was different enough that ppl not only upgraded their main display, but maybe even a second of third as well.


like when widescreen TV's came out, ppl were a lot more likely to buying multiple TV's within a year. in one year I bought 3 32" 16:9 TV's. they finally hit a price I felt comfortable paying, and I'd wanted to get rid of the remaining 4:3 displays, so, bought a few. I would never have done that just for a higher resolution, or a better quality, but I did it for the new form.


unfortunately, for them, I don't think ppl will care that much for the curve at best. seems like the most positive comments about it are things like, "it's subtle, so I hardly notice it most of the time". very few ppl are actually considering it a huge selling factor, and want to ditch the flat screens all over their home.


now, why is LG making their oled curved? peer pressure I guess. and that's really unfortunate. not only would I pay more for an oled over an lcd, but I'd also pay more for a flat screen over a curved one. so in the end, I would absolutely consider paying double for a flat oled, instead of a curved lcd, a great option/value.


I was ready to drop over 3k on a 60" zt60 last year, if oled is still 3grand for a 55" when I need a new tv, it'll be the obvious choice for me
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LG and Samsung IMHO went with the curve with OLED to differentiate the sets from LED/LCD. Then Sony curved the LED/LED sets to compete and now we are stuck with curves. It is as dumb as it gets.
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At the time, most TV was still CRT. Plasma wasn't, at that point, just an enhanced flat screen.

I got one of the last Panasonic 65VT60s in January and it's not going anywhere any time soon. It will take a few years at least for the newer variants of screen technology to shake out, and it remains to be seen whether picture quality will even be an issue.
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but the fact that the plasma was several times the cost of CRT and remained that way for a long while

It was not an affordable item for the masses

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