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post #91 of 152 Old 08-14-2014, 09:09 AM
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I still don't get it. It can't be cheaper to make so why have it? Marketing hype?

Just give me a high quality image. The reason I snatched one of the last Panasonic 6VT60s was because movies look like movies on good plasma, rather than like a movie on TV.

Does OLED has the appearance of depth of plasma? All the LCD variants I look at seem flat.
The curve does nothing - its about as anti climatic as some of the prebundled apps you get with smart tvs today. The POP/Depth is much stronger than plasma due to it being about 5-10times better in the ANSI contrast ratio dept as well as not exhibiting the flicker or as much line bleed from reports.

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It hasn't occurred to me until just now but maybe the point of a curved set was in part to get people to buy larger displays.

The OLEDs do appear a bit smaller since they are incredibly thin, cardboard thin really. Also the bezels on the side almost don't exist which shaves a few more inches off the appearance; this accounts for more reduction in width than the curve does.
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The OLEDs do appear a bit smaller since they are incredibly thin, cardboard thin really. Also the bezels on the side almost don't exist which shaves a few more inches off the appearance; this accounts for more reduction in width than the curve does.
this makes sense,although the curve does bring the size down a tad
i wish i set my 55 plasma right next to it and took some pics to compare screen sizes
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Agreed. Personally I am happier with TV's that have less bezel space taking up valuable speaker space to either side
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The LG USA site quotes a price of 6999.99 yet Best Buy quotes 3499.99 ? Talk about heavy discounting even before it hits the market or someone in marketing at LG made a boo-boo !
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As to the curve, I screamed and moaned at its outset from AVS reports, but once I saw it in person it became a non-issue and a benefit in the WAF department.
Can you elaborate on how the curve increases your wife's acceptance factor? I'm a bit puzzled by that, is it the novelty?

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The LG USA site quotes a price of 6999.99 yet Best Buy quotes 3499.99 ? Talk about heavy discounting even before it hits the market or someone in marketing at LG made a boo-boo !
It is a mind game to make you think you are getting a steal.
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Cabinets, and the TVs within.

The maximum sized TV I can put IN my cabinet, is now 60" due to the newer, thinner panels and bezels. BUT, with a curved 65" 4K OLED, that should fit as well with the wings outside the cabinet on each side.
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^ It's funny you say that. My neighbor had exactly the same issue and thought the curve would enable him to fit a larger screen in the same spot as his 60". This may actually be a positive for the curve.
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Can you elaborate on how the curve increases your wife's acceptance factor? I'm a bit puzzled by that, is it the novelty?

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its the whole form factor, including the skinniness; the way the curve is done on the LG's in particular is actually quite aesthetically pleasing (to both of us) when its off. She's always thought my Panny Plasma was ugly, so when I want to go spend 4-5 digits on a TV, it helps. I was concerned the curve could interfere with my film enjoyment and after seeing how slight it is in the store and how I stopped really noticing it, I'm now not bothered. When the set is off, I noticed it more; i guess the content makes me lose sight of it. I think I might get an unintentional benefit since I have two light sources to the side of my screen that at rare times send the sun towards my screen - they are feature windows so not draped - the curve might actually get rid of this for us, but that surely can't be a benefit that was intended.
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Can you elaborate on how the curve increases your wife's acceptance factor? I'm a bit puzzled by that, is it the novelty?

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do you really expect somebody to explain how a woman's mind works??
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do you really expect somebody to explain how a woman's mind works??
Then 6 months later, she'll want the flat one, just to change the room's appearance!
(Oh yes, then take the curved one downstairs, and the flat one up. Done. On second thought, bring the curved one back up, and put the flat one back!)
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its the whole form factor, including the skinniness; the way the curve is done on the LG's in particular is actually quite aesthetically pleasing (to both of us) when its off. She's always thought my Panny Plasma was ugly, so when I want to go spend 4-5 digits on a TV, it helps. I was concerned the curve could interfere with my film enjoyment and after seeing how slight it is in the store and how I stopped really noticing it, I'm now not bothered. When the set is off, I noticed it more; i guess the content makes me lose sight of it. I think I might get an unintentional benefit since I have two light sources to the side of my screen that at rare times send the sun towards my screen - they are feature windows so not draped - the curve might actually get rid of this for us, but that surely can't be a benefit that was intended.
Thanks, that helps to understand. I was very concerned about the curve as well, but reading the at-home experiment of the guy at CNET ( http://www.cnet.com/news/my-life-wit...ved-tv-week-2/ ) I'm less worried. Though still annoyed.
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do you really expect somebody to explain how a woman's mind works??
A couple of weeks ago, my wife said words to the effect that the TV is my kingdom and I can do whatever I want.

Makes me want to run out and buy something while its fresh on her mind. lol
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^ It's funny you say that. My neighbor had exactly the same issue and thought the curve would enable him to fit a larger screen in the same spot as his 60". This may actually be a positive for the curve.

Ken, I think your neighbor is the victim of a Jedi mind trick.
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Cool Patience is a virtue...

Having seen some OLEDs in Fry's and Magnolia recently, I REALLY want to purchase this RIGHT NOW. However, I try to force myself to wait until technology matures before I buy, even if that means I am a bit behind the curve. Here's why...

My first high-end TV was the Sony KV-32FV310, and it had a beautiful picture. A friend sold it to me for cheap when he upgraded to a "slim" LCD. The Sony had a decent 3D comb filter for my S-VHS and a component input for my progressive-scan DVD player. I knew HD was starting to roll out and I wanted the KV-32XBR800, but I told myself to wait. A couple of years later I picked up an open-box KD-34XS955N for about half a grand - this TV featured the Super Fine Pitch tube which was able to resolve most of the content of a 1080 signal (the SFP tube could do 1440x1080). The 32XBR800 could only muster 853x1080 (a fact that I did not know or understand at the time).

After enjoying the Sony for a few years I started yearning for an upgrade to a larger screen that could compete with my CRTs for inky blacks. This led me to plasma TVs and eventually the Pioneer Kuro. I could have just settled for a high-end Panasonic or the standard 8th-gen Kuro, but I waited for another year or so and found the 9.5G Kuro Elite (PRO-101FD) for a great price from an authorized Pioneer dealer that was closing shop. My Kuro was calibrated by D-Nice and looks stunning in my home theater.

When 3D was all the rage I figured I'd upgrade the old family room TV (currently featuring the Sony CRT from above), but I waited until the last Panasonic plasmas were released and picked up a 60" ST60 for a steal on Black Friday (after Panasonic had ceased production). No, the picture cannot compete with the Kuro, but it was under a grand and looks better than most other sets these days. The moral of this story is to try to wait until the technology is a bit more mature and prices have settled down. That said, OLEDs look amazing and more impressive than 4K to me (plus it will look amazing with all the current 1080p content). It is the only TV where even my wife said: "That looks better than the Kuro!" Damn it – I can wait!
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Thanks, that helps to understand. I was very concerned about the curve as well, but reading the at-home experiment of the guy at CNET ( http://www.cnet.com/news/my-life-wit...ved-tv-week-2/ ) I'm less worried. Though still annoyed.

I believe that the curve on the Samsung UN65HU9000 (reviewed by CNET in your link) is also significantly more extreme than the milder curve on the LG OLEDs including the 55EC9300...
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But the non-curved models cannot be table mounted can they? Is that inherent in the structure of the set? I do not want a wall mounted set, and even those that do may shy away since the distance will be farther from their viewing area.

Then there still is the question of the blue phosphors bluring out too quickly?

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Any flat (or curved) panel can be table mounted; they all come with table-top stands. The blue-phosphor question is still up in the air as far as I know; only time will tell.
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You only live once and who knows how long our blue Phosphors will be around too enjoy OLED. I say if you want it and can afford it, go for it. The worst case scenario it dies in 5 years and your back in the market for the latest and greatest again.
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. The moral of this story is to try to wait until the technology is a bit more mature and prices have settled down. That said, OLEDs look amazing and more impressive than 4K to me (plus it will look amazing with all the current 1080p content). It is the only TV where even my wife said: "That looks better than the Kuro!" Damn it – I can wait!
excellent points...

I could not agree with you more

given the choice of OLED or 4K.....
OLED wins all day long

those 4K edge lits LED's even have the same flaws as the 1080P units....

another reason why that $1999 Microcenter deal is still on my mind even though a 55" is too small for the main room and too large for the master bedroom ...

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excellent points...

I could not agree with you more

given the choice of OLED or 4K.....
OLED wins all day long

those 4K edge lits LED's even have the same flaws as the 1080P units....

another reason why that $1999 Microcenter deal is still on my mind even though a 55" is too small for the main room and too large for the master bedroom ...

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Or OLED and 4K in both 55" or 65". Those LG marketing people aren't dummies. They know that having a 4K OLED rules out any "(LED)4k vs OLED" argument instantly. Now they are working on the lowering the price point to make a big earthquake in the TV world.
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I would assume 3500 is MSRP, so hopefully retail will be somewhat in the 2.5-3k range, which I think is quite reasonable for a "relatively new" technology. This will also apply pressure to other OLED player and things will start to fall. I still remember my 55" 720p plasma 8 years ago cost 5k

Bring it on, LG!
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I would assume 3500 is MSRP, so hopefully retail will be somewhat in the 2.5-3k range, which I think is quite reasonable for a "relatively new" technology. This will also apply pressure to other OLED player and things will start to fall. I still remember my 55" 720p plasma 8 years ago cost 5k

Bring it on, LG!
Amazon says list price is $3999.
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This is good news as far as prices is concern, however if they can produce the flat version that will certainly attract my attention.

Although I am more than happy with my 50gt30 panny.

But if they build the flat version I am willing to jump on that wagon to try the new technology even know I don't have too, as i said earlier I am perfectly happy with my plasma.
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Or OLED and 4K in both 55" or 65". Those LG marketing people aren't dummies. They know that having a 4K OLED rules out any "(LED)4k vs OLED" argument instantly. Now they are working on the lowering the price point to make a big earthquake in the TV world.
not saying they are
They are profitable on their TV business so I assume they have some business savvy

They are just going to have get the price WAY lower on an OLED to get the marketshare of the edge lit LED...a platform that the majority of the market is satisfied with

at the $1999 price that Microcenter has for the 55"..that's still significantly more than you could buy a edge lit version at the same store

I cant imagine there are anywhere near the manufacturing efficiencies ( and cost factors) in OLED that they are in edge lit LED

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Or OLED and 4K in both 55" or 65". Those LG marketing people aren't dummies. They know that having a 4K OLED rules out any "(LED)4k vs OLED" argument instantly. Now they are working on the lowering the price point to make a big earthquake in the TV world.
well we all know that is not really true

It will probably be a few years before 4k OLED's are reasonably priced. 4K already carries about a $1500 premium over a similar speced LED. They are going to want a 4K OLED to be at least $5000 for a 55" and right at $10k for a 65". In probably 2-3 years they will be down around the $2000-$3000 range and will not really make "waves" until they can get them undder $2k.
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well we all know that is not really true

It will probably be a few years before 4k OLED's are reasonably priced. 4K already carries about a $1500 premium over a similar speced LED. They are going to want a 4K OLED to be at least $5000 for a 55" and right at $10k for a 65". In probably 2-3 years they will be down around the $2000-$3000 range and will not really make "waves" until they can get them undder $2k.
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Not even for $100.00.
Well, I don't like the curve either but for $100.00 I am willing to take it.
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The price drop is very impressive. However, we still have to see how it handles motion, longevity issues, dead pixels, IR and burn in and of course, a curve means no sale for me. Not even for $100.00. Get back to me when they are flat and for 55", well under $2k.
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Gee guys. we are drifting from the question "wouldn't you" that Scott asked. I suppose it doesn't matter though as long as you keep on posting. So I?will smoothly ask as question designed to keep the hits coming.

What do you think is important to picture quality? What does OLED have to offer over plasma and edge lit LCD.. Is input lag over a certain time a defect in design like too small a drain in a bath tub? I will answer that it is not a defect but something that is a result of providing enough processing to provide good deinterlacing and scaling? Should a manufacturer use less processing to get reduced lag thus err fixing it. Maybe a game mode which bypasses superior scaling etc.

Is OLED the ultimate display technology? Why?

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Yes - now this is on my radar, my budget is $2k for OLED in 50" - 55" range.
Looks like late 2015 or early 2016. 1080p or 4k I'm guessing my 2016 transition will be 4k OLED also.
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