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The price drop is very impressive. However, we still have to see how it handles motion, longevity issues, dead pixels, IR and burn in and of course, a curve means no sale for me. Not even for $100.00. Get back to me when they are flat and for 55", well under $2k.
As I understand it, shorter lifespan is one of the drawbacks of LG's version of the technology. What is the lifespan of this TV, if anyone knows?
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No way to know. We will just have to wait and see.
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As I understand it, shorter lifespan is one of the drawbacks of LG's version of the technology. What is the lifespan of this TV, if anyone knows?
LG most recently gave the lifespan as 50,000 to 100,000 hours until half-brightness.

This is on a par with plasma and, at average viewing hours, equates to about 28 years.

As slow as I am to upgrade, I reckon this should easily see me through to my next set. :-)

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This is exactly how wive's tales are started....LCD technology for example has been mainstream for about 8 years, we truly do not know for sure on average how long an LCD will last......
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As I understand it, shorter lifespan is one of the drawbacks of LG's version of the technology. What is the lifespan of this TV, if anyone knows?

The problem (at least the main one) is that people think of TV lifespan in terms of brightness and that turns out to be more of a theoretical maximum when 'all else is equal and doesn't fail'. Now you and I think of lifespan in terms of how long its going to be before the day that we ask our tv to turn on (or use our remotes in the case of non-smart tv's ) and it stays blank. In the latter case its usually a power board or transistor issue and not the brightness of the TV causing our problem and that type of problem is far harder to predict unless a product has systemic issues in one of its components.
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When this TV or one comparable hits fifteen hundred dollars, I am in. I figure two years from now. I hope next year.
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As I understand it, shorter lifespan is one of the drawbacks of LG's version of the technology. What is the lifespan of this TV, if anyone knows?
Your understanding is based on myth. Let's move on.

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This is exactly how wive's tales are started....LCD technology for example has been mainstream for about 8 years, we truly do not know for sure on average how long an LCD will last......
Actually, we have a good idea. Most are built like crap, with shoddy components. Yet they last 5+ years with ease in most cases.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Your understanding is based on myth. Let's move on.


Can I hear an Amen for Rogo, let's nip the rumors as they start. Too many real issues with displays to get people worried about false one.
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LG most recently gave the lifespan as 50,000 to 100,000 hours until half-brightness.

This is on a par with plasma and, at average viewing hours, equates to about 28 years.

As slow as I am to upgrade, I reckon this should easily see me through to my next set. :-)

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Thank you. This seems about right. I brought it up because the "shorter lifespan" issue was stated as a potential issue with the LG specifically by Dr. Larry Weber during his presentation at the VE Shootout this past Sunday. If I'm curious, I could look up the same for my Kuro which I think is comparable, if not better than.

I don't know if "shorter lifespan" refers to half-brightness or the life of the set itself, but the LG OLED certainly looked worth a shot if I needed a TV. I have neither the space nor the funds for the 4K sets I saw, plus they didn't look as good as the OLEDs or the F8500 plasma. Besides, "shorter" is a relative term. It was not mentioned as a potential problem for the Samsung OLED. If I indeed hunt for a new TV, this will be researched.
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Well, the blue lifespan is a theoretical problem for the Samsung OLED, the doubling (or more) of the size of the blue subpixel notwithstanding.
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Thank you. This seems about right. I brought it up because the "shorter lifespan" issue was stated as a potential issue with the LG specifically by Dr. Larry Weber during his presentation at the VE Shootout this past Sunday. If I'm curious, I could look up the same for my Kuro which I think is comparable, if not better than.
I watched the Sunday stream, and the issue that Larry Weber brought up, as outer galaxian has noted, was in regards to the accelerated aging of blue OLED cells.

Because they age faster than the other colours, Samsung has attempted to compensate by making the blue cells in their TVs twice as large as the others (presumably using software to increase their brightness in compensation for degredation over time).

However, as Dr Weber noted, the WOLED approach used by LG avoids the problem altogether by stacking the OLEDs, so brightness should decrease evenly (if LG is correct, between 50,000 and 100,000 hours until half brightness).

Personally, the Samsung idea seems a bit of a fudged approach to solving a problem they and other manufacturers can't avoid due to LG's use of Kodak's patented method.

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I watched the Sunday stream, and the issue that Larry Weber brought up, as outer galaxian has noted, was in regards to the accelerated aging of blue OLED cells.

Because they age faster than the other colours, Samsung has attempted to compensate by making the blue cells in their TVs twice as large as the others (presumably using software to increase their brightness in compensation for degredation over time).

However, as Dr Weber noted, the WOLED approach used by LG avoids the problem altogether by stacking the OLEDs, so brightness should decrease evenly (if LG is correct, between 50,000 and 100,000 hours until half brightness).

Personally, the Samsung idea seems a bit of a fudged approach to solving a problem they and other manufacturers can't avoid due to LG's use of Kodak's patented method.

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Thanks. Assuming the low end of LG's half-brightness claim, that's still 27 years and change of use at 5 hours a day. Of course, if my Kuro holds up, this won't be an issue until I'm around 80 at least. By then it won't matter, probably.
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Well, the blue lifespan is a theoretical problem for the Samsung OLED, the doubling (or more) of the size of the blue subpixel notwithstanding.
Well until Samsung fires up there OLED plant, its not really an overall issue. With no new models in sight, looks like they are out of the game......
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I watched the Sunday stream, and the issue that Larry Weber brought up, as outer galaxian has noted, was in regards to the accelerated aging of blue OLED cells.

Because they age faster than the other colours, Samsung has attempted to compensate by making the blue cells in their TVs twice as large as the others (presumably using software to increase their brightness in compensation for degredation over time).

However, as Dr Weber noted, the WOLED approach used by LG avoids the problem altogether by stacking the OLEDs, so brightness should decrease evenly (if LG is correct, between 50,000 and 100,000 hours until half brightness).

Personally, the Samsung idea seems a bit of a fudged approach to solving a problem they and other manufacturers can't avoid due to LG's use of Kodak's patented method.

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This is a matter of OPP IMO.

Historically, other peoples' patents have never held Samsung back for long
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As I understand it, shorter lifespan is one of the drawbacks of LG's version of the technology. What is the lifespan of this TV, if anyone knows?
It is not lifespan you have to worry about. It is pixel reliability that is the problem. If the pixels don't burn out they will last almost as long as any other set before getting dim. The problem is pixels suddenly dying out of nowhere. With 4K this should be less of a problem and BFI should take care of the motion problems and flat screens with uniformity. The only thing that looks to be a bad problem like the dying pixels are image retention and possible burn in.
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Did some one buy, 55 inch 9300 from costco? and for how much
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Did some one buy, 55 inch 9300 from costco? and for how much
Fry's @ 2,500
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I am seeing )3500$
http://www.frys.com/product/8298806


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I am seeing )3500$
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LG enforces minimum advertised pricing. Fry's also doesn't want you price matching their sales. It's why you always see the "Major Brand" label in all their ads.

You need to visit the actual store for real prices. I can confirm the sale price.
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LG enforces minimum advertised pricing. Fry's also doesn't want you price matching their sales. It's why you always see the "Major Brand" label in all their ads.

You need to visit the actual store for real prices. I can confirm the sale price.
So if i want to price match with best buy, am i out of luck? As i am their premier reward member with 45 days return policy.
or may be Chris can match their price

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For those that may want to try getting Best Buy to match Fry's, attached is a picture of Fry's tag for the 55EC9300 taken on 2/7/15.

Best of luck...hope it helps!
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For those that may want to try getting Best Buy to match Fry's, attached is a picture of Fry's tag for the 55EC9300 taken on 2/7/15.

Best of luck...hope it helps!
Thanks Willow but I thought you said $2399..
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Best Buy's price match policy. Pretty small, and select group.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Payment-...at297300050000
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Turns out the 55EC9300's Fry's is selling are factory refurbished sets.

Isn't there a law requiring they have to disclose this information? The source of this information said they only have to say it is factory sealed and has the full warranty.

Not very ethical IMO.

Ended up buying the 9300 @ Video Only for $2550. Figure I can sell this set at not too much of a loss in the fall when the 4K version becomes available in the USA @ reasonable prices.

Beware of factory refurbished sets out there!!!
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Here's Pocketlint's review of the 930V.

Interesting to see they report problems with motion 'judder'. I wonder when they last updated their firmware, as that had appeared to be resolved with an update....

http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/13...4k-competitors

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Desk, a couple of interesting things in that review that I can't help but think relate to other reviews on these curved sets.

Reviewers never seem to talk about distortion. These guys all speak to the curve, speak to loving it or hating it, but never say "Gee, we were taken aback by straight lines taking on a curved appearance". I just can't recall reading that in any of the reviews...unless I missed it.

The other interesting thing is the subject of judder. I'm always curious as to how much judder was present in the source as opposed to the display introducing judder that wasn't there.

Judder is not a new discussion for any techs, past or present, but I always like to understand what's source related and what's display related.
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The video I saw from a LG rep said all of LG(s) 2015 OLEDs would be 4K. So these TV(s) will be discontinued sometime this year?

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The other interesting thing is the subject of judder. I'm always curious as to how much judder was present in the source as opposed to the display introducing judder that wasn't there.

Judder is not a new discussion for any techs, past or present, but I always like to understand what's source related and what's display related.
I put the question to them about which version of firmware was installed, and in response reviewer Chris Hall says he repeatedly checked to ensure it was the most up-to-date iteration. That said, he didn't keep a note as to the actual identifying code.

It's a little strange that he mentions the issue with judder, when it's not something that's popped up in the more recent reviews, and it's worth noting that Chris appears to have been reluctant to engage Tru-Motion, which might have helped obviate the effect of this 'judder'.

Details on the 2015 models suggest new graphics cards, so it'll be interesting to see what difference, if any, that makes to motion handling.

Personally, I'm keen to see LG at least offer the option of black frame insertion. Even if they don't appear to believe there's any benefit themselves, surely there's no harm in at least including it as an option so as to placate the high-end tech nerds?

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I suppose as long as there's sufficient brightness reserve, they could offer BFI.
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So, according to 2015 press release this tV shall be last of its kind discontinued and will be replaced by 4K 55 inches, curved , possibly in same price point , thus making it a good close out model
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