Originally Posted by 5x10
Hasn't contrast ratio been considered the biggest factor in pq, at least from the plasma owner?
By everyone who knows anything?
Originally Posted by JWhip
I agree 100% Mark.
You are a gentleman and a scholar!
Originally Posted by Ken Ross
As for #2
, although I'm surely no fan of the curve, LG's implementation seems a bit less 'curvaceous' than Samsung's, and I think I can overlook it. I also suspect the curve will be a bit less objectionable in the larger screen size. We shall see.
This is a good point. The curve did feel "gentler" on the bigger sizes in the prototypes.
is of lesser concern for me. I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary with OLED owner reports (dead pixels here & there, some IR etc.) that hasn't been a concern with plasma. I know you and I don't necessarily agree about plasma IR, but the concern has been expressed by many and I have seen evidence of it myself, as minor as it may be, with my plasmas.
I can't be concerned with plasma IR because in the past 8 years of plasma ownership, I haven't experienced any
. I've never run a screen wipe, never worried about letterbox-bars, never avoided gaming, etc. If I can do the same with an OLED, then I'll consider it a similar non-problem. To me, having to spend 10 seconds thinking about this is a dealbreaker.
Longevity? Could be a concern for those that plan to hang on to their displays for a long time, but even there the jury is out. For me, in terms of being a 'long-term retainer of displays'? You know me better than that.
To be clear, I don't need 10-15 years either, but given that a 4K OLED should be good enough for both of us to be happy for a long time, the TV should give 5+ years of grief-free performance. If that's not a given, something is very wrong.
Originally Posted by imagic
If you meet David K in person, you'd know he does not pull punches. However, he also doesn't put his off-the-cuff remarks into print. I don't either, and unless TMZ starts reviewing TVs I don't expect any author/publication will put such thoughts into print. Plus, there obviously is an issue of personal taste—it's quite clear that quite a few people like the curve and buy into the marketing hype.
I'd hate for that kind of logic to be used to make a case. People also like extra megapixels. Those come on noisy sensors that typically yield pictures with lower effective resolution than a better, lower-pixel sensor. They are no measure of quality in any way. If people like the curve because they really want to watch a very slightly distorted image or they are a single portion who sits 5 feet from the TV and feels more "immersed" fine. If they buy into anything else, they are duped. And let's not cheer for being duped.
Originally Posted by Ken Ross
However when it comes to black levels & CR, the two things that all calibrators have always told us is the most important aspect of PQ, the OLEDs have no peers. None. But I've noticed that now some people are, 'all of a sudden', pushing the incredible MLLs & CRs of the OLEDs under the table and telling us that their PQ is really not as good as we think because of what I would consider to be issues far down on the PQ list (not saying you Mark). The most valid issue to point to is color, and I'm really not sure, based on what I saw, how serious that issue really is. Since I'm only interested in the 4K OLEDs, we're not even sure if this will be an issue at all with those.
So Mark, to be honest, I'm not impressed with a laundry list of PQ "issues" that may or may not impact many people. I'm more interested in PQ issues that are hard to miss and impact viewing on a 'less than occasionally' basis.
From what I saw at the shootout, the OLED simply had no peers from an overall PQ standpoint...including my own, beloved, F8500.
This feels right to me. It doesn't currently seem close. That said, the pricing is still so far outside the mainstream it doesn't yet matter for the vast majority of people. I suspect P-series Vizios are going to be very popular in the "I want something a bit better, but don't want to pay much more" department for that reason.
But for the videophile, the arrival of 4K OLEDs is a good day to look forward to, indeed.