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post #31 of 493 Old 08-29-2014, 11:58 PM - Thread Starter
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I agree that the text flicker is very inconsistent
Tonight watching college football, I did not see a single flicker and I was looking for it
But, I have seen it before so I'm not sure if I'm switching video settings from standard, isf, and game mode that is causing it?
Yeah I doubt it's a thing, but maybe it could be something from deinterlacing 1080i like he mentioned. I don't think I have anything that would feed my screen 1080i directly. It's an interesting question about the settings though, and I hope I didn't worry anyone too much with my comments on it, but after fixing my lip-syncing issue on 3D blu-rays and easily improving latency from games by switching to game mode on the screen, I guess I feel like the influence of those settings can't be completely underestimated. But, I do really doubt that it's a thing. I've been happy with all sorts of motion and now we have examples of tickers that look just fine, but who knows.
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Hinsoog, if you have time can you take a pic off a 100% white screen. We are trying to see if it has the yellowing of the edges like some of the curved OLEDs.
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Hinsoog, if you have time can you take a pic off a 100% white screen. We are trying to see if it has the yellowing of the edges like some of the curved OLEDs.

Yes, Hinsoog, if you have a look at the 55EC9300 owner's thread, you will see that several owners are reporting a yellow-push visible to either side of center, as well as near-black greyscale non-uniformity to either side of center as well (brighter to the sides, darkest in the center, I believe).

We are very interested if either/both of these effects are visible on the EA8800 as well, since the suspicion is that they are probably caused by the curve.

There are pictures of both effects on that other thread - if you could possibly try to create the same test conditions for both effects (near-white yellow-push and near-black brightness non-uniformity) and both let us know what you see live as well as snap some similar pictures off of your EA8800, you are likely to quickly rise to Hero status here on the OLED forum :-)
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Yes, Hinsoog, if you have a look at the 55EC9300 owner's thread, you will see that several owners are reporting a yellow-push visible to either side of center, as well as near-black greyscale non-uniformity to either side of center as well (brighter to the sides, darkest in the center, I believe).

We are very interested if either/both of these effects are visible on the EA8800 as well, since the suspicion is that they are probably caused by the curve.

There are pictures of both effects on that other thread - if you could possibly try to create the same test conditions for both effects (near-white yellow-push and near-black brightness non-uniformity) and both let us know what you see live as well as snap some similar pictures off of your EA8800, you are likely to quickly rise to Hero status here on the OLED forum :-)
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I have the 9800 which has a slight yellowing on the left hand side of the screen
If 2 curved models have it and the flat doesn't, it's pretty easy on where to lay blame
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Just read a 8800 owner does have slight yellow tinting on the left hand side, although not on this forum
Pm me if you want the link
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Just read a 8800 owner does have slight yellow tinting on the left hand side, although not on this forum
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If true then we can stop blaming the curve and start blaming the manufacturing process/electronics.

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Simple question, what was the dark standard definition game that you refer to in the first post, and how was it hooked up? (HDMI from PC @ 640x480, component from Wii @ 480i, composite from SNES @ 240p, etc)

Don't worry, I won't criticize even if it's an eroge like Bible Black.

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If true then we can stop blaming the curve and start blaming the manufacturing process/electronics.
I should edit my original post, he said slight yellowing on both sides
My 9800 has it on the left side
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Just an FYI, this TV doesn't have to be wall mounted if you don't want to use the picture frame. You can use a stand that has a mount on it already, such as this http://www.amazon.com/Bello-Triple-P...ds=Bello+stand

For the OPs install I would of went with a stand like this, as the picture frame looks a bit funny being mounted so low. Plus the speakers aren't in wall. I like to have the front of my speakers at or near flush with the panel itself. Using this type of stand you could get the tv a bit closer to you for even better viewing pleasure.

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Ok so after loading a white test image on my 9300 and 8800, only the 8800 has a yellow push on the sides. My curved 9300 doesn't so this. I have another 8800 coming next Friday so I'll test that one as well. So it has nothing to do with curved vs flat. For me, unless I can see this yellow during actual content I'm not too concerned about it.
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Ok so after loading a white test image on my 9300 and 8800, only the 8800 has a yellow push on the sides. My curved 9300 doesn't so this. I have another 8800 coming next Friday so I'll test that one as well. So it has nothing to do with curved vs flat. For me, unless I can see this yellow during actual content I'm not too concerned about it.
Thanks for settling this issue. Looks like typical panel lottery and unrelated to curve.
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Simple question, what was the dark standard definition game that you refer to in the first post, and how was it hooked up? (HDMI from PC @ 640x480, component from Wii @ 480i, composite from SNES @ 240p, etc)

So I actually used Super Smash Bros. Brawl, not for its darkness, but just because I wanted to see what a standard definition game would look like on this TV and how it would run latency-wise(also because I'm getting myself hyped up for the new Super Smash Bros. coming out on the Wii U later this year, heheh). So Wii games of course don't run in HD, but, it occurred to me that this may not have actually tested the upscaling of the TV since I played it on my Wii U, and in all likelihood the Wii U may be doing the upscaling itself. But it looked pretty bad on my old TV, and pretty good on this one. So I guess the verdict may still be out on the upscaling. I'll edit my original post.


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ところで、いろいろなアニメが大好 です。でも、そんなアニメは秘密で 。笑!私は日本語の勉強のために、 過去に日本に住んでいました。

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it occurred to me that this may not have actually tested the upscaling of the TV since I played it on my Wii U, and in all likelihood the Wii U may be doing the upscaling itself.
Indeed, the Wii U does its own upscaling. You would need to set the system to 480p in order for the system to not do any upscaling.

And just so you know, the Wii's component output is actually fuzzier than even the GameCube's, so using a Wii U's HDMI out is in fact the best video output you can get (outside of using the Dolphin emulator).


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ところで、いろいろなアニメが大好 です。でも、そんなアニメは秘密で 。笑!私は日本語の勉強のために、 過去に日本に住んでいました。
I may moderately be an otaku, but I'm not that much that I can read Japanese fluently. I do know people that can however...but I'd rather not bother them.
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Hinsoog, if you have time can you take a pic off a 100% white screen. We are trying to see if it has the yellowing of the edges like some of the curved OLEDs.
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Yes, Hinsoog, if you have a look at the 55EC9300 owner's thread, you will see that several owners are reporting a yellow-push visible to either side of center, as well as near-black greyscale non-uniformity to either side of center as well (brighter to the sides, darkest in the center, I believe).

We are very interested if either/both of these effects are visible on the EA8800 as well, since the suspicion is that they are probably caused by the curve.

There are pictures of both effects on that other thread - if you could possibly try to create the same test conditions for both effects (near-white yellow-push and near-black brightness non-uniformity) and both let us know what you see live as well as snap some similar pictures off of your EA8800, you are likely to quickly rise to Hero status here on the OLED forum :-)

Hey folks, so I attached some images to this post, but I think there are a few important things to note:


So first definitely know that some of what you are seeing is a consequence of my camera, because in the dark pictures of white, those little purples swirls and so forth are from the camera/photography. But, I'm really happy with my results, because there is nothing to me that screams "notable uniformity issue", and I don't know if I'm just less sensitive, but I'm not even really convinced there is meaningful amounts of yellowing. You can't really see it in these pictures, but I will say that upon staring at various whites, I thought I saw a very very light purple tinge on a small area on the lower-left of the screen, but it's not even remotely visible during content, and I'm not even sure it's visible outside of my imagination. Upon looking over the images uploaded, it seems like there is more of that purple-tinge than I'm talking about, but I didn't really see it quite like that with my eyes, though I guess it's suspicious that there would be purple in the images like this.


I have a theory about the non-uniformity on the near-blacks. Every now and then, when some Blu-ray that has sort of a strange way to, I guess, "come out of" perfect black, I think I see what has alarmed some. I took a picture of a scene of a Blu-ray of a live concert with what I suspect this phenomenon might be (it's the last picture), and unfortunately the effect isn't visible at all by my camera. But, basically I think it might be something to do with the screen's "black management" software. Even in this same concert disc, there are so many drop-dead gorgeous scenes that include perfect blacks as well, but there are so many cameras and camera angles being thrown around, and every now and then I get a scene that must be the strangest shade of black that has like scattered grey-ness in an hourglass shape down the middle of the screen. I've found that often when the black isn't perfect, it's because the black from the Blu-ray just isn't perfect, as may well be the case here with all of the weird stage lighting effects. I've been on the lookout for this, but it's very uncommon in my experience.


So I want to bring something else important up. I don't mind admitting that I may have mild genuine OCD. I've nearly gotten rid of a perfectly good screen in the past for having a stuck pixel that wasn't visible during normal content, and barely visible under certain conditions. In a way that's hard to describe, the way that people want to tear this screen apart has almost been healing for me in a backwards way that many won't experience. It's as though you guys' brand of OCD has soothed my own by convincing me that there isn't anything actually wrong with my screen. It's basically because in actual use, despite the hyper-OCD flaw-detection going on, I KNOW that this screen is leagues ahead of my last screen in every single way, and now I see clearly that it is better than anything else out there, even with my imaginary purple tinge and room for improvement in the motion area. But what I want to say is for the people who are ready to buy this, but for who all of the OCD-ing may be sullying the experience for:


I get the concern for many, because many here have a gorgeous plasma already, and while there may be desire to upgrade to OLED, probably it makes sense to wait until certain quirks are in order and we have a solid entry that can't be disputed. And LG in no way deserves a free pass despite the energetic enthusiasm, and I'm certain that this isn't actually 100% perfect, but here's the thing, for the people looking to buy a TV right now who don't have a top-of-the-line plasma to hold them, it would be positively crazy at this point to buy a plasma or an LCD.
There has been a lot of people passing around the idea that OLED is still "immature," and while that's likely so, in its "immature" state, I just really believe that this thing is destroying the overall picture quality of "mature" technologies.


I had one half of a Star Wars marathon yesterday, and I had a friend with me who owns a Panasonic Viera plasma (ST). Those Star Wars blu-rays were dreamy looking, and we were both regularly stunned. There was no questioning in his mind that this screen is better than his. He also is likely going to wait a while since he hasn't had his plasma long, and he'll probably gain size, more-fully-realized 4K, and an even-more acceptable price, but there is no disputing this screen's superiority.


It's a little concerning that maybe there is a bit of dice-rolling going on in the screen uniformity area, but I've serious doubts about how bad it is for some of these guys. My OCD is jumping with joy since I have no dead pixels and due to the fact that I really can't tell if my uniformity issues are uniformity issues or my imagination. But, I guess my point is, this screen is an amazing choice, and clearly better than others currently on the market, even in its "immature" state with issues that you almost certainly won't see in actual content.


EDIT: Oh also, just to be hilarious, I took picture of my screen viewing an image of black, which was SUPPOSED to be the second-to-the last attached picture, but I accidently posted the image of the near-black twice which didn't show well in the picture. But, the all-black photo is basically like that, but with just nothing; it's a completely black and empty picture, and the only thing that even could have been perceptible in it would have been from a reflection from something else in the room.
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There has been a lot of people passing around the idea that OLED is still "immature," and while that's likely so, in its "immature" state, I just really believe that this thing is destroying the overall picture quality of "mature" technologies.
Great post Hinsoog. I extracted the above which, IMO, is the operative concept I've believed since the shootout and have mentioned in other posts. Yes, this is a relatively immature tech, but even in its current state of 'immaturity', I've never seen anything better than it, past or present.
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Has anyone tried using break in slides for the first 1-200 hours of use? I wonder if these uniformity issues happen when the emitters are in their infancy. This might wear the emitters in more evenly. Maybe when I receive my second set finally I'll give it a shot.
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I have n well over 200hours..

Had a a more even panel in the middle after vs the start of using sliders on the screen but the left n right shadows never changed.

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I have n well over 200hours..

Had a a more even panel in the middle after vs the start of using sliders on the screen but the left n right shadows never changed.
Did you run the slides from the beginning continuously or did you start them after you saw issues?
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From the beginning was ir resistance but letterbar inprint i did get once after 90min.
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From the beginning was ir resistance but letterbar inprint i did get once after 90min.
What break in slides did you use? Sorry for all the questions
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Used 3 diffrent ones i run in turns.

D-nice plasma ones from this forum

Grey slide one i found on you tube


And Evagelos Sliders found here.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...nload_main.htm
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Used 3 diffrent ones i run in turns.

D-nice plasma ones from this forum

Grey slide one i found on you tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR-__suycVQ

And Evagelos Sliders found here.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...nload_main.htm
Thanks. Thats the one I used on my kuro. I ran it for about 100 hours on the kuro. What model do you have and have you noticed any uniformity issues? It would be nice if all anyone had to do is run the slides for 100 hours and then be ok after that.
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Had the 9700 one but it started to die on me after 1000hours so i got a refund
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There is no evidence that early break-in using slides has any beneficial effect on an OLED. I'm not sure if it was even 100% proven with plasma. It may just consume useful hours that could have been spent actually watching the set.

I think break-in can be useful in 2 situations:

1) Exposing inherent manufacturing defects as early as possible. I normally run a new set 24x7 during my initial 30 days so that I can return it to the store if it fails. Much easier than dealing with warranty claims later.
2) Accelerating aging of panel in order to stabilize color response so that you can get it calibrated sooner.
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Talking subtitle flickering

Hi all,

I recently purchased the 55EA8800 for replacement of my 8 year old Philips 42" LCD (non-LED).
My first impression when I turned it on: wowwwwwwwww
Colors are so rich and beautiful! And the blacks....wel....they are really black!
We watched a 10GB mkv of Angels and Demons and it was absolutely stunning, very detailed blacks and when Langdon used his flashlight, it almost seemed that he shined a real flashlight in our faces.

Then we tried 3D with a BR version of Avatar and it was jaw-dropping beautiful!
Such intens colors and 3D makes the movie really come alive.
Right now, I'm absolutely addicted to watching 3D: I dislike watching 3D in cinema's but the OLED really makes a lot of difference. It gives movies so much more! Ultra HD? why I ask?
My sister has a Panasonic plasma and the image flicker to much. I also can see this flicker when a white image is displayed.

I don't use the frame (lies in the attic) and wall-mounted it with the supplied one.
On the wall it just looks amazing: 5mm thin makes all the difference.

But... there are also some minor things.
Like the Hinsoog stated I also had some lip-sync problems, but when I turned HDMI Simplink on, it went away.
My Yamaha receiver and LG works quite good together once all settings are configured correctly.
Also the ARC works with no problem.

Now I only got 2 issues:
1) I watch almost all movies via the Mede8er med600x3d. And sometimes the subtitles flicker. I haven't tested much, but it seems to occur when the scene is moving and there are 2 lines of subs, so that the first line is above the black bar and "in" the image. Changing screen mode didn't help and I will try more settings soon.

2) In "Django Unchained" at 58 min (I think) there are very bigger letters scrolling from right to left and is was all but fluent. Just really choppy. When I played with screen settings it got much better, but still NOT fluent enough for my taste. Default "THX" and "Game mode" were just horrible.

Can somebody confirm these issues or recommend some settings?

Other than that: the screen is worth every euro (2499,- after 500,- cashback) and looks just a-ma-zing!
No more LCD/LED or plasma for me!
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I have a friend who purchased one of these babies recently. Absolutely beautiful.
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Hi all,

I recently purchased the 55EA8800 for replacement of my 8 year old Philips 42" LCD (non-LED).
My first impression when I turned it on: wowwwwwwwww
Colors are so rich and beautiful! And the blacks....wel....they are really black!
We watched a 10GB mkv of Angels and Demons and it was absolutely stunning, very detailed blacks and when Langdon used his flashlight, it almost seemed that he shined a real flashlight in our faces.

Then we tried 3D with a BR version of Avatar and it was jaw-dropping beautiful!
Such intens colors and 3D makes the movie really come alive.
Right now, I'm absolutely addicted to watching 3D: I dislike watching 3D in cinema's but the OLED really makes a lot of difference. It gives movies so much more! Ultra HD? why I ask?
My sister has a Panasonic plasma and the image flicker to much. I also can see this flicker when a white image is displayed.

I don't use the frame (lies in the attic) and wall-mounted it with the supplied one.
On the wall it just looks amazing: 5mm thin makes all the difference.

But... there are also some minor things.
Like the Hinsoog stated I also had some lip-sync problems, but when I turned HDMI Simplink on, it went away.
My Yamaha receiver and LG works quite good together once all settings are configured correctly.
Also the ARC works with no problem.

Now I only got 2 issues:
1) I watch almost all movies via the Mede8er med600x3d. And sometimes the subtitles flicker. I haven't tested much, but it seems to occur when the scene is moving and there are 2 lines of subs, so that the first line is above the black bar and "in" the image. Changing screen mode didn't help and I will try more settings soon.

2) In "Django Unchained" at 58 min (I think) there are very bigger letters scrolling from right to left and is was all but fluent. Just really choppy. When I played with screen settings it got much better, but still NOT fluent enough for my taste. Default "THX" and "Game mode" were just horrible.

Can somebody confirm these issues or recommend some settings?

Other than that: the screen is worth every euro (2499,- after 500,- cashback) and looks just a-ma-zing!
No more LCD/LED or plasma for me!

Congratulation on the new super TV! I'm so in love with this TV! 3D really is amazing on it too, and I'm glad you found a way to fix the lip syncing issues with your settings.
As far as you first item, I'm not sure, but I do have Djanjo Unchained on Blu-ray! I just popped it in, and you're right, at 58 minutes the word "MISSISSIPPI" scrolls past and looks a little jumpy. It doesn't flicker tooooo bad, and it doesn't sort of wobble like I've seen a ticker do in the past (which I still think was the ticker), but, in this case, I actually feel like it may really be the movie's fault. I've seen this movie on other screens, and I do remember being a little weirded out by the way the BIG scrolling text looked. Sorry if the ticker talk is getting anyone worried. It doesn't look bad on mine, just a little jumpy, and I have pretty much everything turned off that can be turned off, Super Resolution, TruMotion, etc. etc. Perhaps someone else will have input on this also.






Also, I want to draw more attention to something to your post:
"We watched a 10GB mkv of Angels and Demons and it was absolutely stunning, very detailed blacks and when Langdon used his flashlight, it almost seemed that he shined a real flashlight in our faces."
Aahahahahaha! So this happens to be sometimes and it's so hilarious. On scenes with a lot of darkness and some concentrated bright areas, it really does have the effect of feeling like someone is in your room waiving a flashlight around! I think I'm used to it now, but I have caught myself looking into my room as a first quick reaction. Glorious...
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Here's a crazy idea about the jumpy image.

Maybe for moving high-contrast content like scrolling on-screen text, the pixel response of OLED is fast enough to the point that there isn't any pixel trailing to help cover up the lower framerate?
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That's an interesting idea, and maybe it is a more accurate way to show those giant scrolling letters which I don't think you could save from looking that way. So maybe they were depending on less technology to make it all a wash. I feel like I remember it looking pretty jarring on my old LCD (though there was nothing special about the motion on that screen), plus I vaguely remember being weirded out by it on the movie theatre screen, but who knows.


I hope no one reading this puts too much meaning into this scrolling text topic; I've been playing a lot of games on it lately, and I feel satisfied with the motion I'm seeing as competitive to the motion I've seen on other screens, though I have a feeling that the whole issue of motion, framerate, and response times will be an exciting advancement sometime in the future of 4K OLED screens.
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Would I be able to connect the optical out audio cable to a sound bar instead of the gallery speaker frame and still control the sound with the tv remote? I don't care for the frame but I still need an easy way for the wife to watch directv without turning on my receiver for sound. My receiver passes through the Directv HDMI to the TV's HDMI while the receiver is off.


I figure a cheap sound bar may be my best solution as long as the tv remote adjusts the level of what's being sent out of the optical output to the sound bar.


Hope this makes sense. I am considering the 8800.

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