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post #91 of 539 Old 11-16-2004, 10:33 AM
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It took a little less than 3 weeks. It was professionally shipped by truck. They brought it upstairs and unpacked it. It was very well packed and ready for placement (stand attached). I had to attach speakers.

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Post some pics please if you can
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Yes the Byd|sign looks compelling, but the Vizio is even more so because you could get a decent warranty for little money from Sams.

Not to mention people have some idea of Vinc brand.

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Tiger Direct (www.tigerdirect.com) is selling a Byd:sign 42" HD plasma for even less than this one. Not sure of the quality, but it lists a 3000:1 contrast ratio and comes with speakers and stand.
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Looks interesting... almost exactly the same specs as the Vizio. It lacks the 2nd S-Video jack, DB15 video input, and that RS232 connector.

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Jim,

do you happen to know who provides the scaler and deinterlacing for this Plasma (Pixelworks/Genesis)?

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Jim Noyd: I beg to differ. At 12 feet plus..side by side sets in my home..almost zero difference between EDTV and HDTV showing HD content. Of course, besides, the resolution, there are many other things to consider in a plasma display. By the way, on SD content and DVDs my ED set looks just a little better, overall, than HD set. Many people have seen HD content on this Panasonic ED display and everyone says the same thing about HD content looking great. By the way, at 8 feet the HD display looks somewhat better with a little sharper image but everything else about the same.
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I believe a spin-off that will be good from these new Chinese plasma sets is they will force pricing down in the entire industry. If these Chinese displays prove good and reliable, then, the mainstream plasma sets will have to come down in price. We may see a Panasonic HD 42" display less than $3000 sooner than we had expected.
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I went ahead and ordered the Vizio 42" HD plasma from Sam's Club. They are quoting 3 to 4 weeks for delivery. I also purchased the 3 yr. extended warranty. Delivery change is $200 plus you must pay your state's sales tax (I'm in VA so it 4.5%). This TV will be for my bedroom as I already have two Sony CRT front projectors that I'm running HD sources into, including a Sony G70 in my dedicated home theater. I'll give the Vizio a good evaluation once it get it and post my results. Unfortunately I'm not able to compare it side-by-side against a Panasonic 7th gen. plasma.

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Jim Noyd: I beg to differ. At 12 feet plus..side by side sets in my home..almost zero difference between EDTV and HDTV showing HD content. By the way, at 8 feet the HD display looks somewhat better with a little sharper image but everything else about the same.
That is my point at 1.5-2x picture widths (not diagonal) which would be what 72" or less.

12 feet or 144" is where I watch a 96" wide 720p PJ with no visible picture structure.

The deinterlacer scaler isn't named in the spec, sorry I can't help there. Scale to 720p or 1080i with DVI for best PQ with any source you can.

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Hmmm, for $200 delivery+tax (6.75% here) it would cost me around $700 more for this over an ED Panasonic.
At a viewing distance of 10ft, I have to wonder if the HD resolution will really be noticeable or not... and even if it's a little noticeable, I wonder if it's worth $700 more.

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Make a list of the differences, you're getting more than just the HD.

- Additional speakers.
- Additional stand.
- No need to buy DVI blade.
- Built in NTSC tuner for PIP.
- Ability to view HTPC desktop.

However, it really boils down to picture quality. Will this thing stand up to the Panasonic EDTV picture quality? We won't know til we see it :).

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Good point Mike.

I don't think it's fair to compare this Vizio to the WD7UY, instead I think a more equal comparison is to the PD25U, which is what I'm deciding on.

Just ordered a PD25U last week, still on the fence if I should try for this Vizio instead.
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Make a list of the differences, you're getting more than just the HD.

- Additional speakers.
- Additional stand.
- No need to buy DVI blade.
- Built in NTSC tuner for PIP.
- Ability to view HTPC desktop.

However, it really boils down to picture quality. Will this thing stand up to the Panasonic EDTV picture quality? We won't know til we see it :).

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That's true, but I don't really need nor want any of those things except the stand and maybe the DVI blade, although I don't need that (yet) either.

The byDsign plasma at Tigerdirect is looking a bit more interesting though... only $400 more than the Panasonic EDTV and $300 less than the Vizio. If it uses the same display panel as the Vizio, it might be a good alternative for cheaper.

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Has anyone seen one of these Vizio HDs yet???
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Some considerations about the Panansonic EDTV 42"...After careful comparing I bought the panny EDTV. I compared same in my home with a Sony 34" HDTV. The Panny was great playing 480I/P DVDs on its' 480P display..perfect match. Also, the EDTV looked somewhat better on SD to my eyes. And, for a couple of years, both 480 DVDs and SD content will be with us. Deciding factor in favor of EDTV was at 12 feet plus it looked as good as the Sony HD on HD content. . The Panny delivered was less than $2400. I never did compare the Panasonic with the Vizio by the way.
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They have the Vizio at Costco. I was there today. Didn't really pay it much attention because it's an unknown brand, but the neighboring Panny 50 and 42 inchers looked better. The also had a nice 42" Pioneer, but it didn't have DVI or HDMI.
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I believe Costco only has only carried the older Vizio 42 EDTV (that's all my Costco has) and not the new HD model. The new HD model is also a new generation of unit with much higher constrast ratio (i.e., 700:1 for the EDTV vs. 3000:1 for the new HD model). The least expensive 42" HD plasma that Costco carries is the JVC for about $1000 more than Sam's Club is selling the Vizio.

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Watch it guys. The LCD flat panels are getting larger and decreasing in price as well. I personally like the PQ on the LCDs a little better. And prices are starting to look attractive. But I'll no doubt still be in love with my newly purchased Philips HD plasma for some time to come.
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I'd definitely rather have an LCD flat panel, but I'd rather not have to wait 2-5yrs before I can afford one that's 42" or larger.

I want a nice big flat TV NOW!!! I'm tired of my 180lb 32" TV.

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Wondering if anyone has seen it or if Sams Club has made it available in store.

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I'd definitely rather have an LCD flat panel, but I'd rather not have to wait 2-5yrs before I can afford one that's 42" or larger.

I want a nice big flat TV NOW!!! I'm tired of my 180lb 32" TV.
How's $$$$ for a 40" Sammy sound? http://www.samsungusa.com/SamsungUSA...703/ltn406.pdf

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Also check tigerdirect. Prices are coming down. I know a bit slower than we'd like. But they'll drop. They'll have to.

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How's $$$$ for a 40" Sammy sound?
Only 600:1 contrast. Does not sound too good to me, at least specs-wise.
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How's $$$$ for a 40" Sammy sound? http://www.samsungusa.com/SamsungUSA...703/ltn406.pdf
Sounds nearly 2x more expensive and 2" smaller than an ED Panasonic plasma. :)

I'm not against buying something today and replacing it in 1-2yrs. I'm not like my parents who buys a TV and expects to keep it 20yrs. Good thing about a plasma is 2 people can move it easily. If I decide to upgrade in 1-2yrs, I can Ebay it and ship it across the nation pretty easily.

I've only had my 32" Panasonic HDTV-ready set for 1-1/2yrs and I'm already wanting to dump it for a plasma.
:D

I went to Best Buy and compared ED vs HD sets. I couldn't compare same brands since they had them all mixed together, but I could definitely tell that from 3ft away, an HD plasma shows a lot more detail. The most noticeable place where the clarity of HD made a difference is on edges of text and station logos. Very obvious was when there was a laptop in the background. The laptop's screen was blurry on the ED sets, but I could make out the individual icons on the laptop's screen on the HD set. Unfortunately all their plasmas were in the narrow aisles so I couldn't get further than 3ft away. Maybe they did that on purpose so the sales people can convince people it's worthwhile to spring for HD. I don't watch TV from 3ft away though. My wife and I were both almost certain that from 10ft away we'd be hard-pressed to see any difference.

FWIW, that "cheap" $$$$ Maxent plasma they had was really bad compared to the rest. The picture was washed out and fuzzy.

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So no pics from the owner?
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Attached Pic frpm Vizio P42HD
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Great pic! Good choice of subject. Look forward to seeing more as you get time.

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Jaq, can you give us the FCC number off the back of this panel? Let's find out who makes the parts for this baby.

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jaq...
What color is this Vizio? In one of the pictures it looks silver and in the other it looks grey... not quite charcoal.
Also, can you show us what the back side looks like. How do the cables attach... straight into the back, up from the bottom, into the side?
At the moment you are the Dean of Vizio.
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