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post #1 of 11 Old 02-03-2005, 06:32 AM - Thread Starter
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First off thanks to dusty144 for providing the link (buried in another post) that led to this information.

Secondly this data is just for one quarter (3rd Q) 2004.
And third, the site said worldwide shipments - not sure how that relates to selling - maybe it just means the warehouses are filling up with these sizes. Sizes are of course in inches.

What sizes of flat panel TV’s are selling?*
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LCD TV's worldwide - 3rd qtr 2004
Size      % shipped   # shipped
------    ---------   ---------
Other       0.4         8800
40          0.5        11000
37          1.9        41800
30-32      18.0       396000
26-27      14.0       308000
22-23       7.6       167200
20-21      25.0       550000
17-19       7.3       160600
15         15.0       330000
10-14      10.3       226600
------    -----      -------
Total     100.0      2200000

Plasma TV’s worldwide - 3rd qtr 2004
Size      % shipped   # shipped
------    ---------   ---------
60-65       1.0         7140
55          0.9         6426
50          8.9        63546
46          1.3         9282
42-43HDTV  20.8       148512
42EDTV     54.1       386274
37HDTV      6.5        46410
35-37ED     4.2        29988
32          2.3        16422
------    ------     -------
Total     100.0       714000


DLP RPTV's worldwide - 3rd qtr 2004
Size      % shipped   # shipped
------    ---------   ---------
60 and up   12.0        21600
55-59        6.0        10800
50-54       59.0       106200
45-49       15.0        27000
40-44        8.0        14400
------     ------     -------
Total      100.0       180000

* Also included RPTV DLP’s because the data was there.
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Interesting, thanks for the report.
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Hot stuff, semi. I'm responding in part to bump this up so I don't forget to add some more thoughts later.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Interesting report. Can someone reference the source on this data?
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For the time period reported, 75% of the PDP's sold were 42" ED/HD displays, which being priced in the $2K to $3K range are affordable to the masses. Go figure...;)
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The source quoted was DisplaySearch

A couple of other interesting tidbits noted:

"In Japan, consumers prefer high resolution displays. While 42" enhanced definition (852x480) TV's accounted for more than half of the worldwide market for plasma panel TV's in the 3rd quarter, they only made up 16% of the market in Japan. Consumers there were more likely to buy XGA and SXGA (1024x768 or 1024x1024) 42" TV's which claimed 43% of the Japanese market."

Let's guess why this is so:
Japan has higher population density, possibly smaller rooms, so they sit closer - and don't want SDE.
Maybe Japan's broadcasters actually send out good quality HD signals.
Possibly they are obsessed with the highest quality.
Or they are the only country with a GNP average per person that can afford them.

And this blurb which probably has been reported here (but I couldn't find it to verify)

"Sharp will spend almost $1.5 billion to build its next LCD fabrication facility, in Kameyama, Japan. Construction is to begin in July, with the first line slated to commence manufacturing in Oct 2006. The plant will be the first to produce eighth generation 2160x2400mm (that's approx. 85x94.5 inches) glass substrates and will have a production capacity of 15000 substrates per month. Each substrate can be cut either into six 52 inch TV panels or eight 45 or 46 inches.
A second line, set to begin production in 2007, will raise the plants capacity to 30000 LCD substrates per month.. Sharp held 28% of the global market in the 3rd quarter, according to DisplaySearch."

Let's see 15000 x 6 = 90000 (52" panels per month = 270000/qtr) or
possibly 15000 x 8 = 120000 (45" panels per month = 360000/qtr)
Which should they do? Well anyway it might give you some idea what a 52" LCD will sell for in the future (ah say a 33% premium - if the display is the biggest expense)?
Either way the size distribution at the top of the thread is likely to change in a couple of years.

If you want to track down the information with more colorful graphics rather than the sterile numbers I provided from the pie charts, the link that dusty144 provided was:
http://i.cmpnet.com/eet/news/05/01/1355pg22.pdf (sorry originally had a typo on the link)
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Neat info. More info than in the DisplaySearch.com press release that I posted about back in early January. Now if we could compare those numbers a year from now for 3rd qtr 2005, what we will see? Besides the obvious of more plasmas and bigger LCDs. Which will grow faster: plasmas, DLP RPTVs, or bigger LCDs (> 32")?
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Bigger LCDs will have the fastest percentage growth because the numbers were just so small last year.

I don't want to pour water on those Sharp figures, but (1) capacity != production, especially not early in a plants life (2) yields are not going to be near 100% initially and will be worse on the the bigger panels (3) they may well also make smaller sizes on those lines; the fact that the numbers cited are for bigger panels doesn't tell us what the actual production plan is.

Still, Sharp is going to be selling an even larger %age of the jumbo LCDs than their overall LCD TV figure would leave one to believe. I suspect they will have half off the 45-inch-and-up market until the low-end brands actually ship something -- which doesn't appear to be happening all that soon. (Note:BenQ presumably has "dibs" on the AU Optronics panels -- same corporate universe -- and does not appear to be planning to "go cheap" with them at this time.)

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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DisplaySearch just released their 4Q numbers. 1.2M panels shipped !!


AUSTIN, TEXAS, February 14, 2005—DisplaySearch, the worldwide leader in flat panel display (FPD) market research and consulting, reported in its Q1'05 Quarterly PDP Module and TV Shipment and Forecast Report that PDP modules exceeded expectations by 3% in Q4'04, rising 37% Q/Q and 98% Y/Y to a record 1.2M panels. This stronger than expected growth can be attributed to strong holiday and Super Bowl demand, supported by lower pricing and rising interest in flat panel TVs and HDTVs. Blended PDP module ASPs fell at a double-digit rate in Q4'04 for the third consecutive quarter, resulting in a 23% Q/Q and 31% Y/Y increase in revenues to a record $1.2B.

For the year, PDP module shipments to the TV and Public Display markets rose 107% to 3.6M panels, with revenues rising 51% to $4.3B and with blended ASPs down 27%. Additional highlights from the latest report include the following:

* The 42"-43" share rose from 73% to a record high 76% as demand responds to new price points. The <40" segment dropped from 13% to 11%, while the 46"+ market remained flat at 13%. 50" and 42"-43" were the two fastest growing categories and were the only segments to gain share.
* 42" 480p reached a 54% share in Q4'04, a record high, on strong demand outside of Japan. Four out of five PDP TVs sold in Japan offer HD compatibility while only four out of ten PDP TVs sold in North America and Europe are HD capable. As a result, HD PDP modules fell from a 42% to a 41% share in Q4'04.
* Samsung SDI, LGE, Matsushita and Pioneer all enjoyed impressive growth in Q4'04, up at least 31% Q/Q. The rankings remained the same as last quarter with Samsung SDI leading followed by LGE, Matsushita, FHP and Pioneer.
* While Samsung SDI remained #1 in TVs, Matsushita continued to lead in Public Displays.
* Korea's share of shipments exceeded 50% for the first time, reaching 52%. Its TV module unit share reached 54% with its Public Display share at 27%.
* On a revenue basis, LGE overtook Samsung SDI due to its greater emphasis on higher resolutions and larger sizes.
* By size, FHP led at 32", 37" HD, 42"-43" HD and 55", Matsushita led at 37" 480p, Samsung SDI led at 42" 480p, Pioneer led at 50", and LGE led at 60-65".


DisplaySearch Reports Plasma Panel Shipments Exceeded Q4'04 Expectations
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Fabulous report. Thanks for posting it here. 1.2 million! Holy cow!

Essentially double Q4 of a year ago!

And prices -- indeed -- hit the 27% decrease that DisplaySearch has been using as their number for several years. Extraordinary work by them and by the PDP makers.

This board's favorite "dying technology" (wink wink ;)) is going to grow to 5+ million units this year with ease. And look for the mix to begin moving away from the ED to the HD, albeit very slowly.

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