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Have you tested red, green, blue, subpixels too?
I tested with Dead Pixel Buddy using Black, White, Red, Green, Blue, and even Yellow subpixel. Nothing. Nada. Everything was perfect. This is one amazing screen.
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I would like to know what video cards you are using for a DVI connection with the 2405fpw.
ATi X850 XT PE.
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I received my Dell 2405 today. I also own a couple of 2005s. Comparing the two, I noticed that the 2005 has higher brightness- whites are whiter, colors much more vivid. The 24" still looked very good, but i liked the brightness of the 2005s so I am returning the 2405.
Opposite of what I noticed. I had the 2005 and 2405 side by side for two days before I sold the 2005. In paper and in person, the 2405 is definitely brighter, more vibrant (once you correctly set the color in the menu), and blacks are definitely blacker than the 2005. Also, no more backlight bleeding!

2005FPW:
Image brightness 300 cd/m²
Image Contrast Ratio: 600:1

2405FPW:
Image Brightness: 500 cd/m²
Image Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
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I've lived with the 2405 a few days now and I thrilled with it. I also had the 2005. For the first day, I had it next to the 2405. It didn't take me long to decide to disconnect the 2005 and set it aside in anticipation of listing it on Ebay. I also agree the 2405 is noticable brighter and more vibrant with better blacks (very important to me). I downloaded several WMV-HD files last night. They looked fantastic. I recommend this monitor without hesitation.
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My Father-in-law's side business needed a new server and desktop so I ordered the 8400 which made the 2405W a great deal. Right now the " Small Business" 2405 is on sale along with the 2005.
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I just called Dell to order the 2405 and was told that MSRP is the best price available right now. :(

Did anyone have to order a complete PC with this monitor to get the incredibly good price talked about?

Should I just keep calling back as mentioned above? Any helpful hints?

TIA
If you read back a little further in this thread, you'll see that it's not a standard phone and order situation.

It seems that a few reps at Dell are willing to deal and many more are not. It's easier to deal with the ones who do


I PM'd you some specific info....
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My Father-in-law's side business needed a new server and desktop so I ordered the 8400 which made the 2405W a great deal.
Exactly what I did since my PIII was way past its prime. The discount for the 8400 plus EPP made the price point very attractive. The current special is not as good. I went with this over the W2600 TV so I hope I made the right choice.
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Is the DVI input port of the 2005 will work with HDTV set top box or DVD player with DVI port output. I love the price of the 2005, only about half of the 2405.

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Yes,
I was able to get the rep deal for an amazing price. I got it in 2 days. Amazing. I put it right next to my 2005. Then gave my 2005 to my other half and I have this big boy in front of me. NIGHT and Day as far as I am concerned. Absolutely no backlight bleeding either. I put clear type on both of them and both work great with MCE 2005 plus I put the cable box on for fun. Great HDTV no problems with DVI yet. I guess HDCP won't be an issue with me anyway. I have the HDTV tuner and an old antenna and can record OTA in HDTV as a backup to my HDTivo. So now I can tape 3 shows at once. woo hoo. I'm very impressed with this Dell monitor.
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Is the DVI input port of the 2005 will work with HDTV set top box or DVD player with DVI port output. I love the price of the 2005, only about half of the 2405.
I bought the 2405 for almost the same price as the 2005. Either monitor looks to be a great value though.

Earlier a specs link was posted for the panel used in the 2405. However the link did not point to the correct panel, the LTM240M1 versus what was posted, the LTM240W1. The correct link is below.

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTL...1/LTM240M1.htm
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This is my first LCD, so here's a quick review from a long-time CRT user:

Pros:

1) Excellent for text. As a programmer, I would love to use this for work since it's much sharper than any CRT I've worked with.

2) Very bright. I cranked the brightness to lowest setting (0) and it's still brighter than my old CRT.

3) Ghosting/motion blur are minimal and should not present a problem for most users.

Cons:

1) Blacks are pretty poor (especially in a darkened room). Depending on the position of your eyes, the color changes from dark gray to dark blue. I guess I was expecting more than is currently possible from LCD.

2) Color reproduction is very inconsistent. Most dark colors (grays, browns, etc.) will shift color drastically if you move your head even a little. Even if you're perfectly perpendicular to the screen, the outer edges will still show a difference in color. This color shift is also noticeable when objects move across the screen. The problem is not as noticeable on brighter colors and general PC usage. Being a PVA panel, I guess this is normal.

3) My panel has 3 stuck pixels. Possibly more... I stopped counting since I'm not going to keep it.


Most of my gripes have nothing to do with this particular monitor but LCD technology in general. It's definitely not for everyone and I strongly suggest everyone read about the potential issues before making a purchase. Great LCD guide at:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/oth...lcd-guide.html

-Mark
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so does this monitor support 16:9 or just 4:3 and 16:10? I want to get one and use as Computer/HD monitor.
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Well, I got mine today (in a damaged box, but no damage to the monitor.

It's AWSOME.

More later.
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Mine arrived. I have literally been waiting 5 years for a 24" flat panel. I remember when the Samsung 240T was $8K list. I have 0 bad pixels. I just adjusted my gamma to 0 in Windows, and my blacks are amazingly black. Forget about CRT vs. LCD for a minute. Is this not the best 23/24" panel there is? I would be mad too if I had some bad pixels, but I was one of the lucky ones. This panel is fantastic, and I have only used it an hour so far, but I can't imagine not being happy with it if it continues to perform as it is right now when typing this message. I didn't notice any ghosting. I don't see any problems with the colors. The backlighting is even and perfect. The stand, which some have said is ugly, looks better in person. I could always get a VESA mount if I wanted with the savings in cost of this panel versus others in the same range. (I personally don't think its ugly, but I'm not very artistic when it comes to monitor stands.) Dell has really provided value to the customer and I am one happy computer user right now.
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Fists I'd appreciate a PM as I'm not having much luck with the 3 Dell reps I've called. Thanks!
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I got mine in today also. A mini review:

Great text / colors / blacks. Honestly, it really does looks great. I'm looking at an HD WMV clip (amazon) and the night black looks incredible.

The uniformity of the blacks is very good, but there's some occasional disparity. I had the HP 2304 (similiar to the 2335) and I thought the blacks were significantly less uniform - very blotchy occasionally.

No dead pixels, but I'm not running any tests to look. I've glanced over the screen and don't notice anything, so I'm content as is.

Anyone running CS on this - what resolution are you using? My 2.8 P4 / 9800 Pro can't really do 1900 x 1200, but the lower 16:10 resolution really looked poor (IMO). I haven't played any other games with it.

There definitely is a little motion blur. Whether its bad or not depends on the user, I notice it mostly dragging windows around - much more than a video clip.

I've got a bunch of tweaks to do I think. I wish the DVI allowed more adjustments - it looks like basically the ONLY option with DVI is brightnes... I need to fix the way it scales, so I guess I"ll have to hook it up with a VGA cable.

Anyways - very happy owner here.

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Here's a test image from Shrek where I noticed the poor blacks and shifting colors. If you have a 2405, try displaying this in the center of your screen (or wallpaper) and see if you notice the color issues in the background as you move your head. Same thing would happen if such an object moved across the screen and you didn't move at all. I find it too distracting but if you like LCD's, it's probably not going to bother you. I think IPS panels are a little better at this sort of thing but their black levels are much worse.

This was my main problem with the display. The stuck pixels wouldn't be an issue for me since they are very hard to see at such high resolution.

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Quote:
Originally posted by PlasmicMike
I got mine in today also. A mini review:
Anyone running CS on this - what resolution are you using? My 2.8 P4 / 9800 Pro can't really do 1900 x 1200, but the lower 16:10 resolution really looked poor (IMO). I haven't played any other games with it.
There definitely is a little motion blur. Whether its bad or not depends on the user, I notice it mostly dragging windows around - much more than a video clip.
I've got a bunch of tweaks to do I think. I wish the DVI allowed more adjustments - it looks like basically the ONLY option with DVI is brightnes... I need to fix the way it scales, so I guess I"ll have to hook it up with a VGA cable.
Anyways - very happy owner here.
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Running SUCH a monitor not in native resolution via DVI is barbarian:D.
If you see motion blur when dragging windows (!) one suspects you have problem with graphics adapter settings. AFAIK 9800 Pro does 1920 easily.

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Hello,

Can anybody PM me on the info for this deal? Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

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Fists I'd appreciate a PM as I'm not having much luck with the 3 Dell reps I've called. Thanks!
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dell is saying ___ minimum. can someone hit me with a pm on how you get the better pricing than that?
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Can somebody confirm, component in with both 1080i/720p on 2405.
Can you control the brigtness, contrast, color and list extra if it has more. Does all the controls work?? Having gone tho 5x2005 and none of them really working :D(RGB and DVI not component), i thought i should asked before going for the kill.
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Running SUCH a monitor not in native resolution via DVI is barbarian:D.
If you see motion blur when dragging windows (!) one suspects you have problem with graphics adapter settings. AFAIK 9800 Pro does 1920 easily.
Oh, my desktop is native - that's not a problem. I'm talking about CounterStrike (CS) resolution. It can't handle running that at native without decreasing texture details etc. I end up getting 20-70 FPS.

Anyone running CS on it? I tried a bunch of resolutions in 4:3, 16:9, 16:10 and nothing was really 'impressive'. I don't have the latest driver, maybe that's an issue - but the latest driver TOTALLY fuchs some of my programs up so it's not really an option. Maybe it's time for a new PC :)

I just checked out some of my OpenGL programs I've written - they look so much better on this monitor compared to my old Compaq 1220 - which was a POS so it's not a great comparrison.

Oh, for some good HD clips check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tShowcase.aspx

You will notice what Wizziwig documents - during scenes that transition from absolute black to some shading, the disparity in the black is noticable. This isn't a 'perfect' monitor - but for someone who uses it 90% for computing, this is exactly what I've been waiting for.

-Mike
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Can anyone tell me that when all of their computers are off and the monitor is in the Self-Test mode with the floating color bars, whether they can hear a slight whirring noise from the right-rear of the monitor?

There have been reports of some noise in this monitor from the [H] forums and I have the same noise. Wanted to find out whether it was a certain batch of them or if all of them have the slight noise.
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In case anyone is interested, here's a way to get into the service/factory menu on this display:

1) Hold menu and '+' buttons (3rd and 5th buttons from left) while powering on the unit.
2) Press menu button (5th button from left) and select "Factory Reset"
3) Select "Factory" at the bottom of the menu.

You will get a menu that looks like this:
http://www.geocities.com/miike232001/124.jpg

Looks like your regular color adjustments (gain/bias) and access to the Genesis Gm1601 scaler/deinterlacer chip (http://www.gnss.com/products/gm1601.phtml).

Hope someone with calibration equipment can share some good settings. :)

-Mark

Edit: Be sure to ALWAYS write down all information before touching anything on a service menu. These settings are different on each monitor and you don't want to lose them!
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Has anyone tried this with a source that requires HDCP on its DVI output? The Genesis controller chip used in this panel supports HDCP but it may be disabled if Dell didn't pay the licensing fee.
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Wizziwig,

Thanks! Will have to give that a shot.
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Oh, my desktop is native - that's not a problem. I'm talking about CounterStrike (CS) resolution. It can't handle running that at native without decreasing texture details etc. I end up getting 20-70 FPS.

Anyone running CS on it? I tried a bunch of resolutions in 4:3, 16:9, 16:10 and nothing was really 'impressive'. I don't have the latest driver, maybe that's an issue - but the latest driver TOTALLY fuchs some of my programs up so it's not really an option. Maybe it's time for a new PC :)


-Mike
CS1 or CS-Source?

When I got my 2405 I immediately switch CS1 over to 1920x1200. I get a steady 100fps. I also have the 9800Pro/128mb, but I'm running a 2.8ghz P4 on a true Intel motherboard. I'm running a Gig of RAM too. It's possible that your motherboard/RAM are the bottleneck

If you don't have the latest video drivers, update to them. Also I did install the .inf file for the monitor.
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Another PM request please, frustrated Olevia 32" shopper seeks alternative =)
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