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I just noticed that sceptre has the description of its 37inch 1080P LCD TV up on their website.
It says "Built-in HDTV capable TV". Does it mean it comes with an ATSC HDTV tuner? If yes, this will be a hot buy! Can't wait till Aug.28 to get this baby!

The link:
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X37SV-Naga LCD/TV
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Slick design and powerful performance!

* 37" TFT LCD/TV
* Built-in HDTV Capable TV
* Super MVA technology
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16:9 Wide Screen Aspect Ratio
600 Brightness cd/m2
1200:1 Contrast
Pixel Pitch (mm): 0.4275*0.4275
1920x1080 Resolution
8 ms Response Time (Tr/Tf ms)
View Angle 88/88/88/88 (CR>20)

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Dimensions 34.9" Width x 9.1" Depth x
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I would have prefered 2 DVI ports and I don't see any mention of 1080P in the spec.
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No HDMI
No CableCard
No TV Guide-on-Screen
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No HDMI
No CableCard
No TV Guide-on-Screen

Well, neither does the Westy and it's cheaper (although not available) than the Westy and at least have a ATSC tuner.
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In the specs, " WXGA 1920X1080"

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I would have prefered 2 DVI ports and I don't see any mention of 1080P in the spec.
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No HDMI
No CableCard
No TV Guide-on-Screen
The Costco coupon says HDMI. FWIW. BTW the link above shows a different set than is in the Costco coupon book.
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I saw that Costco coupon at a friend's house. $1799 or so, right? I wonder how this compares to something like the Panasonic 37px50u plasma? I did note the 1200:1 contrast ratio. The Panny is 4000:1. But how that relates to real life viewing... It's really 1920x1080? They will sell a ton of these, even with just an average picture! :)

Anyone know where it's made? Or who actually makes it?

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In the specs, " WXGA 1920X1080"
So, it only list 1080i in the spec, no mention of 1080p.
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I think I can clarify certain confusion here. As I posted in another current thread about Sceptre 37" model, the Costco Passport listed a different 37" model than the one mentioned in this thread: the specs listed above are for X37SV-Naga II, however everyone more or less familiar with Sceptre's product line knows that their "top" line LCD TVs are from Naga III/IV family. There will be two different 37" Sceptre models (say, mid and top tier). The 37" model mentioned in the Costco Passport is actually X37SV-Naga III, not Naga II as above. That explains why one source lists HDMI, while others mention DVI only, different pictures of the 37" model posted, etc. Below, is the small picture of the Naga III version.
Also, the Naga II specs on Sceptre's site clearly mention ATSC HDTV tuner, I am not sure why the above specs, supposedly copied from that site do not mention that.
http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...7SV-NagaII.htm
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my fault. I didn't pay attention when I copied the specs, which actually is for Naga I, I think. But I can't find specs for NagaIII. Is there any difference other than HDMI vs. DVI between top and mid model?
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The question I have is - is this good only as a PC monitor or will this be good for video.

The westy I saw in BB was next to some plasmas. There was no contest between them ... westy was so bad w.r.t. black level. It was being made more obvious because of the loop they were running ... several different shots with brief black screens in between.

Anyone knows who manufactures these panels ?
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I saw that Costco coupon at a friend's house. $1799 or so, right? I wonder how this compares to something like the Panasonic 37px50u plasma? I did note the 1200:1 contrast ratio. The Panny is 4000:1. But how that relates to real life viewing... It's really 1920x1080? They will sell a ton of these, even with just an average picture! :)

Anyone know where it's made? Or who actually makes it?
I would like to know this as well in regards to the Sceptre 37 inch at costco vs. Panny 37px50u plasma?
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its the same size as the X30SV-NagaIII LCD/TV
how can that be?


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I wondered about those dimensions myself. A height of 21.6 w/stand seems unlikely since the picture height is 18.1" on a 37" screen. The 34.9" width is also a bit unrealistic given the picture width of 32.3" and side-mounted speakers.

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I would like to know this as well in regards to the Sceptre 37 inch at costco vs. Panny 37px50u plasma?
1080p vs. 720p .... I know what im getting in aug. :)

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You can get the Westinghouse today for the same price. I know it is listed for more on the web site, but I went into a store and they gave it to me for the same price mentioned in this thread for the Costco Naga. But if you like waiting months, go ahead...
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So you'd rather have worse contrast, not as vibrant colors, and light gray "blacks", but 1080p? ;)

Do you also realize that past about 8', you probably won't be able to tell the difference in resolution alone anyway?

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So you'd rather have worse contrast, not as vibrant colors, and light gray "blacks", but 1080p? ;)

Do you also realize that past about 8', you probably won't be able to tell the difference in resolution alone anyway?
my viewing distance is 6.5 feet......

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FWIW, it's available from Costco Aug 22 (not Aug 28 as somebody else mentioned) and it's actually less than the price posted earlier in this thread (which I assume will be censored by tomorrow).

I'm definitely going to buy it. I want it for an HTPC monitor and I think it will be close to ideal for that purpose (very much like the Westinghouse). The resolution may not make a big difference for video at 8-feet distance, but it's huge when using it as a PC. If it doesn't meet my needs, i'll return it to my local Costco and possibly go pick up the Westinghouse, but I may actually try to find a slightly bigger LCD with 1080p.

If anybody knows more about the Naga-III version, I have a few questions about it.

1. Does it a VGA (15-pin D-sub) input or preferrably a DVI input separate from the HDMI?

2. I already have a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable. I assume that will allow me to hook the DVI output from my video card to the HDMI input of the TV (in case the TV doesn't have a separate DVI input).

3. Does is have S/PDIF in or S/PDIF out (optical or coax)?

4. Are the speakers non-removable or is that whole bezel with the speakers removable? It would make a very sleek-looking wall-mouted unit without the stand, bezel or speakers.

5. Does it accept a 1920x1080 signal from a PC? I'd prefer the DVI/HDMI port over the VGA.
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I've got the Sceptre 30" from Costco. If we can go by that, it has separate DVI and VGA connectors. The DVI is apparently intended to connect a PC card, as the audio in for that connection uses a PC style connector. I've got it hooked up to a HDMI DVD player, and it works fine.

As far as SPDIF, I don't think so.

The speakers aren't removeable on the 30, and I can't tell from the picture or the spec as to whether they will remove from the 37"

Personally, I'd like to get at least a 40" set for my 9' viewing distance.
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The 37" Naga is now showing in the Costco "preview" section of the LCD panel offerings. It shows the correct sizes and a dramatically different picture. This is all black (much like my Sceptre LCD monitor). Says there is an ATSC tuner (which is now required by law). It's about time for real info to start showing up.

I'm interested, but fear that it's a little small. Would be watching from 9.5 feet, and that may be too far for any immersive effect. I think that I really need a 42, which means I have to wait and save my pennies.
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It looks nice, but that's about it. I had hopes for this one, but I guess I'm back to waiting for SED.

(1) Still no mention of 1080P whatever.
(2) Rather limited number of inputs; all show (1) except component (2)
(3) "Standard shipping via White Glove furniture carrier"
(4) It's rather large for a 37". At 44.5"W X 27"H it's several inches larger than my
38" direct-view CRT. At least it's a lot lighter; but then, I've never had occasion to
move the CRT in over 4 years.

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For the most part, the Costco photo and descriptions looks the same unit as the X37SV-NagaII on the Sceptre website--NOT the photo that is shown in the costco coupon which is the same as the photo somebody posted above claiming to be the X37SV-NagaIII.

The only differences between the Costco page and the sceptre website that I can see are:

- Black vs. silver
- 10W+10W speakers vs. 8W+8W
- HDMI/DVI support HDCP vs. just DVI support HDCP
- NTSC and ATSC tuners vs. just ATSC tuner

The specs seem to get a little better every time.

A couple of things still worry me a little: Does it really have HDMI (the wording kind of makes me think that they think "HDMI" and "DVI support HDCP" are the same thing, but maybe it just has two connectors that can't be used at the same time. Will it accept 1920x1080 from a PC via the DVI/HDMI input?

BTW, did you catch this in the bold print at the very bottom of the page?

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The estimated delivery time will be approximately 20 business days from the time of order.
20 business days is one whole month folks. That sucks!
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- NTSC and ATSC tuners vs. just ATSC tuner

The specs seem to get a little better every time.
When they include a QAM tuner & CableCARD, my interest will be rekindled. But 1080P support will remain a critical spec.

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"It looks nice, but that's about it. I had hopes for this one, but I guess I'm back to waiting for SED."

How does someone consider both a 37-inch shipping now for ~$2000 as competition for a 50-inch shipping more than a year from now that will be three to four times the price?

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Your point is well taken, Rogo. My viewing distance/room size/audio setup dictate that I stay in the 37"-40" range when I replace my over-4-yr-old 38" direct-view CRT, and $2K or less would be nice, so at this point SED looks like too long a wait.

I would appreciate any suggestions. My built-in DTC-100 still works fine, but I realize the DirecTV tuner will soon be rendered obsolete by MPEG-4. I would like CableCARD and 1080P support on my next TV, decent blacks, and some digital inputs. At present I'm about maxed out with a Comcast 6412, two LG 3410A's, a SAT-HD300, a DVB318, and a DVD recorder with just a single component input.

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Your point is well taken, Rogo. My viewing distance/room size/audio setup dictate that I stay in the 37"-40" range when I replace my over-4-yr-old 38" direct-view CRT, and $2K or less would be nice, so at this point SED looks like too long a wait.

I would appreciate any suggestions. My built-in DTC-100 still works fine, but I realize the DirecTV tuner will soon be rendered obsolete by MPEG-4. I would like CableCARD and 1080P support on my next TV, decent blacks, and some digital inputs. At present I'm about maxed out with a Comcast 6412, two LG 3410A's, a SAT-HD300, a DVB318, and a DVD recorder with just a single component input.

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I'd say even if they do produce a 40-inch SED -- which I doubt will happen for a while based on all they've been saying -- it'll be 3-5 years before it's $2000.

FWIW, the DTC-100 tuner might not be obsolete for years. It won't receive the new programming -- HD locals, additional HD nationals -- but it will receive the existing channels probably until those go away and that's not happening until at least a year from now or later.

You seem to need inputs and if you really insist on 1080p, then you need an LCD. I can tell you now you aren't getting 4 digital inputs from any inexpensive TV this year, next, or the year after. Why not just get a 4 x 1 DVI or HDMI switcher and one of these $2K LCDs? Figure out which one has the best blacks and be done with it. In 2010, you can upgrade again.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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One important thing that the preview page clarified for me (and probably others) is:
REMOVABLE SPEAKERS!!!!!!

Still, why the spec still does not list 1080p puzzles me...does it mean that 1080 p can only be accepted from certain inputs (ie vga PC input?)
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1080p is not a real part of any ATSC spec. So it's not always going to be talked about regardless of display capability.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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FYI, I e-mailed sceptre via the address given on the Costco website (costco@sceptre.com) and asked them if this model supports a 1920x1080 input from a PC via DVI, HDMI, and/or VGA and also if it has separate HDMI and DVI inputs.

I e-mailed them once before at the address given on the Sceptre website and it bounced. At least this one didn't bounce. I'll post their reply, that is IF they ever reply.
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