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post #181 of 2990 Old 08-05-2004, 09:55 AM
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This is a long thread, so forgive me if this question has been asked and answered. Not to diminish user disappointment upon experiencing burn-in (I would be really upset) but is burn-in really all that noticeable when you're not looking for it? In other words, if you've got some kind of burn in, do you actually see it during normal viewing if you're not looking for it?

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post #182 of 2990 Old 08-05-2004, 10:19 AM
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This is a long thread, so forgive me if this question has been asked and answered. Not to diminish user disappointment upon experiencing burn-in (I would be really upset) but is burn-in really all that noticeable when you're not looking for it? In other words, if you've got some kind of burn in, do you actually see it during normal viewing if you're not looking for it?

It depends on...

1. Where the burn-in is located
2. How large the burn-in area is
3. How sensitive/good your eyes are
4. The program you are watching, e.g,. scenes with alot of sky, snow or other bright images will show it more than a darker or more complex image.
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Question: does anyone know how to use a PC to create a reverse 4:3 image, e.g., white sidebars/black center? I want to toast my sidebars to try and "even" things out, but also do not want to create more problems. Just wondering if anyone has done this and what dimensions they used.

Thanks.
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I have an image reversal screen saver setting. When I set the aspect to 4:3 and show a white screen, and activate the mode, the side bars get white and the center becomes grey. You could try that.
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Thanks esben. Where can I get that saver?
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goom,

I am very sorry to hear about your burn-in. I hope you can reverse it.
Can you give us an estimate of what percentage of what you watched was 4:3?

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I'd say about 35%...
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Why not all of use the strech and zoom options for the 4:3 I mean is that bad watchin tha format stretched or zoomed to risk burn in ? still havent opened my plasma but m readin this to be aware on what to come ....
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Stretch mode is "tolerable" but 4:3 native is still preferrable. (to me) If you flip between normal and wide, I can really tell the difference (people get fatter). I suppose the best way to be happy it is to not compare the two directly. Maybe at some point you just adjust to the stretched image. Given the choice of 4:3 burn or fat people, I'll take the latter.
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Do plasma TVs have a higher chance of getting burn in than the old analogue tube TVs? I've played videogames for like 10hrs straight on the tube tvs and they've never got burn in, so would a plasma also be able to withstand it? And is it true that LCDs cant even get burn in at all?
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Originally posted by Beefgude
Do plasma TVs have a higher chance of getting burn in than the old analogue tube TVs? I've played videogames for like 10hrs straight on the tube tvs and they've never got burn in, so would a plasma also be able to withstand it? And is it true that LCDs cant even get burn in at all?

a) Yes, if left at standard torch mode.

b) I've played video games for long periods of times (I'm guessing 5-6 hours max), and have had no burn-in or image retention.

c) No, I'm typing this email using a HP2025 LCD which has burn-in on it. Check previous pages in this thread, I posted images of the burn-in.

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I have had the same experience as juice wrt gaming. I have not had any issues with image retention.
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Thanks esben. Where can I get that saver?

It's in the menus of the display. Accessed through the remote. If you can't find it there, you can't get it.
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What display do you have?
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Originally posted by goombawa
Stretch mode is "tolerable" but 4:3 native is still preferrable. (to me) If you flip between normal and wide, I can really tell the difference (people get fatter). I suppose the best way to be happy it is to not compare the two directly. Maybe at some point you just adjust to the stretched image. Given the choice of 4:3 burn or fat people, I'll take the latter.

For regular broadcast 4:3, I like to zoom and then reduce the horizontal and vertical size to bring in a lot of the picture back in that's lost in the overscan. It keeps the proportions right and as a bonus it cuts out a lot of bugs, tickers and other junk.
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For regular broadcast 4:3, I like to zoom and then reduce the horizontal and vertical size to bring in a lot of the picture back in that's lost in the overscan.

I tried just that and was surprised to find that DirecTV appears to vary their encoding a bit over the image - the left and right edges of the picture (i.e. what is normally eaten by overscan on most TVs) was much more pixelated than the middle portion of the screen ... I guess they try to get extra bits everywhere they can.
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I saw this nice Mitsubishi plasma at a B&M store. They were showing a dvd of the Two Towers and it looked nice. Unfortunately when I get my new display I will be viewing like around 80 percent on 2.35 dvd. So guess I shouldn't get a Plasma if I don't zoom the picture to fill the screen, which I don't prefer. But just for info do most plasma sets have an option to zoom in nicely to crop the picture just enough to remove the top/bottom black bars.
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What display do you have?

A Panasonic TH42PWD4UY.
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I have a Plasma and have both contrast and brightness below 50%.
If I watch 2:35 movies with black bars on the top and bottom, for a while and then switch to a all black screen, I can clearly see the black bars on the all black screen. If I then fill the entire screen with a regular picture for 1 min or less and switch back to an all black screen, the black bars dissapear.

1. Is this common for pretty much all plasmas?
2. Is this something I need to worry about?
3. If so, what can I do? I already have the contrast and brightness below 50%

P.S. - my plasma is only about 2 months old
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What you see is common.

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So I don't need to worry about this?
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Sounds like a mild-but-reversible case of burn-in. Since watching 16:9 content for "1 min or less" clears up the lines from watching 2.35 content for "a while", I would not (and I do not) worry.

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This is not burn in, but retention. My panel was very susceptible to this early on, but as time goes on it has really reduced in occurrence. Keep the contrast down. Its a coin toss in the brightness. Keep what you can stretched. I don't know what plasma you have , but use any anti-burn features it has.
I have my NEC programmed to come on at 4 AM 1 day a week and run an all white screen for 45 minutes and another day it comes on for and hour and does the screen wipe.

It seems that the first few hundred hours of operation are the most critical.

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You may want to check out the master burn-in thread for additional information.
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I have something called "screen saver orbiter" on my plasma.
What does this do?
How do I use it?
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An orbiter is supposed to move the image every so slightly so that the image is never in the same spot on the screen. It is an menu choice on most displays and you simply need to turn it on through the menu.
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Quick question....what 'safety' features does the Panny 42" ED consumer model have to prevent burn-in?
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I started reading though the burn in thread but it's sooo much info.

Just need a simple answer.

Right now I'm just leaving my plasmas settings as it came. Not turning down anything.

But, almost everything I watch fills the entire screen, or I make it, and I don't really have any static images.

So, no fear of burn in right? I guess the only thing that could happen is me cutting short the life of the plasma a little bit by leavings the settings high.

Eventually I'll play with all the settings, just have a lot going on right now and haven't gotten around to itl.

And where is contrast setting anyway on the Panny ed?
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I had the same last Q: "picture" = contract on the Panny ED.
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