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"LAS VEGAS, NV (January 4, 2006) — Panasonic, the leader in high definition and plasma TV, once again demonstrates its commitment to excellence by expanding upon its 2005 award-winning plasma line-up with the introduction of six new HD plasma TVs, including a spectacular 65-inch (diagonal screen measurement) 1080p TV.

The 2006 line builds upon the superior quality and reputation Panasonic has established with exciting new picture improving technologies in the flat-panel display arena for almost a decade. Additionally, the entire HD plasma line has been redesigned with stunning cosmetics, nearly invisible built-in speakers (except TH-65PX600U) and a new panel, taking picture quality to a whole new level. Other standard features include an SD memory card slot, integrated NTSC/ATSC1/QAM tuners, HDMI inputs with HDAVI Control function and front A/V jacks for easy connection to camcorders.

The new plasma panels are capable of reproducing up to 3072 levels of gradation, enabling an equivalent 29 billion displayable colors. Panasonic’s HD plasmas boast a maximum contrast ratio of 10,000:1, assuring the blackest blacks and whitest whites, all of which adds up to a spectacular picture with high resolution and outstanding color reproduction.

“This past year, one of the country’s most respected consumer publications rated Panasonic’s HD and ED 42-inch plasma sets at the top of their categories,†said Andrew Nelkin, Vice President of Panasonic’s Display Group. “Panasonic is escalating plasma panel production and development, expanding our efforts to provide consumers with the quality and innovation they have come to expect from our brand.â€

The TH-65PX600U is the flagship of Panasonic’s new plasma line with an incredible resolution of 1920 x 1080P. This 65-inch model is joined by two native resolution, HD models, the TH-50PX600U and TH-42PX600U. All include advanced features such as a TV Guide On-Screen™ Electronic Program Guide, PC input and a CableCARD slot - a feature that eliminates the need for a separate set-top box to receive HD signals via cable.

Rounding out Panasonic’s HD line includes models TH-50PX60U, TH-42PX60U and TH-37PX60U. A new feature in 2006 to this line, the SD Memory Card slot with Photo Viewer4 , allows consumers to take an SD card directly from a digital still camera or camcorder and insert it directly into the TV, making it fast and easy to enjoy slide shows of their favorite photos on the big screen. Completing the line is the TH-42PD60U, an ED set with a resolution of 852 x 480p.

Panasonic dominated the plasma TV market throughout 2005 and fully expects to continue its success in 2006. “Throughout much of 2005, one out of every two plasmas sold in the United States was a Panasonic model,†noted Nelkin.

“Panasonic is well-positioned to strengthen its leadership status,†said Nelkin. “With the recent opening of a new factory in Japan, our production capacity is expected to reach about 5 million panels per year in 2006. From R&D to the manufacturing of panels and electronics, to control of the production process, Panasonic is setting the benchmark from start to finish.â€"

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The following was at the very bottom of the link.

3. Max. contrast ratio of 10,000:1 for HD models, excluding TH-65PX600U; 10,000:1 for ED models.
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Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come to Daddy, 65!!

I'll wait to the summer.
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Guessed they changed the PX500 to PX600U for the 65". Summer is a bummer. Such a long wait 'til then.

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But... Maybe the longer the wait, the lower the price. Now that would be great!!!!!!

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Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come to Daddy, 65!! Nice to see the CableCard2 addition.

I'll wait to the summer.
No Cablecard 2. the 2 refers to the note below.
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50" is not 1080p?? hmm

I CANT WAIT TO BUY ONE OF THESE!!!!!!!!

10,000:1 contrast ratio
29 billion colors
stunning cosmetics
nearly invisible built-in speakers
sd card slot

i need the 37
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"HDMI inputs". As in two. Nice.

Still hoping there's a 65" 1080p commercial model. Looks like the 1080p 50" models are 2007 at the earliest (in North America anyway).
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No Cablecard 2. the 2 refers to the note below.
The cut and paste above threw me off. :) Thanks.
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So there I am reading:

"Panasonic’s HD plasmas boast a maximum contrast ratio of 10,000:13, assuring the blackest blacks and whitest whites,..."

And thinking: Awesome! Looks like they've boosted the contrast ratio!

Then, as hoodlum points out, at the bottom of the link:

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3. Max. contrast ratio of 10,000:1 for HD models, excluding TH-65PX600U; 10,000:1 for ED models.
Aaagh. What the?
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eesh

i was hoping these would push down the current 42px50u, but if theyre not being released till summer they'll drop down to where i can buy em anyways

crap
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So there I am reading:

"Panasonic’s HD plasmas boast a maximum contrast ratio of 10,000:13, assuring the blackest blacks and whitest whites,..."

And thinking: Awesome! Looks like they've boosted the contrast ratio!

Then, as hoodlum points out, at the bottom of the link:



Aaagh. What the?

The 65" only get 8,000:1. ;)
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I'm interested in the 10,000:1 contrast ratio. Either they boosted the overall brighness of the panel or using the dynamic ratio formula (I really hope it is not this).

Update: Nevermind, they are using dynamic contrast ratio numbers....the HP PL4260N uses the same glass and you can view the datasheet for the 42" here:

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/pr...rtainment.html
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6.5-12% MRSP price reduction for the HD's

No change for the 42" ED

Any pictures?
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The 65" only get 8,000:1. ;)
Hoodlum, did you really get that 8,000:1 number from anywhere or are you just kiddin' around?

BTW, thanks for the heads up on this info.
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Hoodlum, did you really get that 8,000:1 number from anywhere or are you just kiddin' around?

BTW, thanks for the heads up on this info.
It's dynamic contrast ratio.
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i cant wait to see these. from the IQ to the colors to the shape stand and speakers :) :) :)
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D-Nice, the 10,000:1 contrast ratio has to be "apples to apples" in comparison to the 8th gen 3,000:1 contrast ratio of the px50 series

i cant wait to see these. from the IQ to the colors to the shape stand and speakers :) :) :)

Yes, the 10,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio should at least equal the old 3000:1. Remember, they inserted the word "maximum" in front of the 10,000:1 figure. They never did that before. HP's clearly states dynamic.

I see why they did it as they are really trying to bury RPTs and RPTs promote the same thing.

Sounds like they finally found an application for the "floating black" issue.
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Hoodlum, did you really get that 8,000:1 number from anywhere or are you just kiddin' around?

BTW, thanks for the heads up on this info.
Just kidding :D
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Are these using different/newer glass than the 8th gen industrials? 9th gen?
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I'm disappointed. I would think that Panasonic would learn by now that the TV Guide Program Guide is a bust. I'm beginning to lose count as to the failures. Let's see...just off the top of my head...many of the Sony DVR users returned it because of the guide not working and Sony discontinued the product...Many Mitsubishi 1080 DLP users have said to just disable the TV Guide feature on their set, it is such a failure...and now Panasonic got suckered into including it on their new sets..

Should have partnered with Tivo and got something done with them.
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Are these using different/newer glass than the 8th gen industrials? 9th gen?

Good question. It's hard to tell but based on the current info given, I would say no. I think they have made some improvements in processing, but no major changes in glass (not including the 65").
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Are these newly announced Panny PX600 and PX60 series plasmas still considered 8th generations panels or are they 9th generation?

[Edit] LOL, Ksaturn I see we asked the exact same question. I actually typed my question earlier but got distracted watching this explosive USC-Texas Rose Bowl game and forgot to click submit
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". Additionally, the entire HD plasma line has been redesigned with stunning cosmetics, nearly invisible built-in speakers (except TH-65PX600U) and a new panel"

"The new plasma panels are capable of reproducing up to 3072 levels of gradation, enabling an equivalent 29 billion displayable colors"

It definitely looks like this is a 9th generation model and the consumer version is coming out ahead of the commercial version for the 2nd year in a row. Let's hope Panasonic has not limited the flexibility in the Service menu like the current consumer versions have.

Has anyone seen any pictures yet?
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they may be 9th gen as they have more colors. who knows though. we'll have to wait for the panasonic.com CES page to go up tomorrow to see if they are 8th or 9th. i cant wait to see how they look. im sure the PQ will kick ass.
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Any thoughts on 50phd8uk today (preorder of course) as opposed to waiting for the new consumer panel? (dont really need the consumer add ons).

any rumors on 9th gen industrials? (are they waiting for the 1080p 50in next year?)
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Yes, the 10,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio should at least equal the old 3000:1.
If that's the case something doesn't make sense here. The releases for the Panasonic 65" 1080p model already out in Japan have the contrast ratio at 3000:1 - the same as the 8gen 50" and 42" HD models. Panasonic had made it a point in their press releases that, with the new 65" 1080p model they were able to maintaing the same 3000:1 contrast ratio as their other non-1080p models.

If the 10,000:1 "dynamic contrast" number simply equalled the old 3000:1 number, then why wouldn't the announced 65" 1080p model have the same numbers? Why would today's press release point out that the 10,000:1 number excludes the new 65" 1080p model?

Doesn't make sense.

(Unless, someone can make sense out of it for me).
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If that's the case something doesn't make sense here. The releases for the Panasonic 65" 1080p model already out in Japan have the contrast ratio at 3000:1 - the same as the 8gen 50" and 42" HD models. Panasonic had made it a point in their press releases that, with the new 65" 1080p model they were able to maintaing the same 3000:1 contrast ratio as their other non-1080p models.

If the 10,000:1 "dynamic contrast" number simply equalled the old 3000:1 number, then why wouldn't the announced 65" 1080p model have the same numbers? Why would today's press release point out that the 10,000:1 number excludes the new 65" 1080p model?

Doesn't make sense.

(Unless, someone can make sense out of it for me).
Brightness level is not exactly the same as the smaller panels.
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Brightness level is not exactly the same as the smaller panels.
I'm still not getting you here. (Sorry, maybe I'm just being thick).

I know that brightness levels can of course factor into contrast ratio. For several years the Panasonic has rated it's ED model at 4000:1 contrast ratio, vs the HD model's 3000:1. There was no difference in black level, rather the ratings reflected the ED model's greater brightness. (This being due to it being easier to get greater brightness out of the fewer, larger pixels on the ED model). So the Panasonic numbers did indeed reflect differences in peak brightness levels when significant.
However, no such brightness differences were apparent in the ratings of the HD models, which all had the same 3000:1 spec.

You seem to be saying that the newer "dynamic contrast" style rating works out to the same old 3000:1 number - i.e. no actual change in the contrast ratio, only in the rating method that changes the numbers.

The question is, if there was any significant difference between the brightness of the 50" HD models and the big 65" display (both the lower res and newer 1080p res) why didn't it come out in the numbers before? Both 65" models and the smaller HD models were rated at 3000:1.

If the newer numbers are just the older numbers "re-jigged" why would there now be a difference between the contrast of 65"/50" models when it wasn't there before?

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A guess-

50 - 42 HD's contrast improved to, old scale, 4000 to 1. 65p stays at 3000 to 1.

Japaneese model PANASONIC TH-65PX500 is listed at 3000 to 1.
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