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im making one for xbr2,3 because i have the msrp's for these tv's and its time to move out of here

here it is
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...39#post7755139
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Here's a link with unofficial prices

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060601/lath013a.html?.v=2
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Here's a link with unofficial prices

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060601/lath013a.html?.v=2

-- the MSRP is way high. Man ... I was hoping for something right under $4,000 for the 46" XBR 2.
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Here's a link with unofficial prices

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060601/lath013a.html?.v=2

It will be very hard for me to justify $4k+ for a 40" screen, even if it is a top of the line 1080p set. At least the V2500 series should see some competitive pricing shortly after it's release.
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Are they going to use HDMI 1.3 for these HDMI ports?
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i don't know how you could even order one, also the msrp is off by about $600. also it looks like this tv will not be included with a table top stand it is a option until we get more info on the us version.

nothing is known about a xbr3, the only ones we know of is the xbr2 and v2000 coming out august/q3

also post the msrp for the 52", after having a qualia 005 i think i can take it

I bought a HD CRT and have had problems with it (geometry, green patches). After months of trying to fix it and even replacing it SONY of Canada gave up! But they will not give me a refund and I don't want to go to court. So, they have offered me any of their TVs at cost and a full credit on my CRT. They called me yesterday and gave me info on the S, V, XBR2, XBR3, prices, sizes, availability... I told them I wanted the 46" XBR2 and no stand. They said they will work on the price and get back to me but I would for sure get it late August.

They said the 52" will be Canadian$13700 which doesn't make sense to me! But then again as you know there is always a huge price difference in these cases; like the SXRD60" & SXRD70"!
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I can not find the differences between XBR2 & XBR3 neither besides design. Have you found anything new? Do both support HDMI/DVI PC connection? At 1080p? I just remembered I was told by SONY Canada that the XBR3 is a Pro version. But they wouldn't elaborate on that. Do you know something?

I don't mind paying extra for the XBR3 but I do mind waiting 1-2 month more according to SONY Canada.
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I can not find the differences between XBR2 & XBR3 neither besides design. Have you found anything new? Do both support HDMI/DVI PC connection? At 1080p? I just remembered I was told by SONY Canada that the XBR3 is a Pro version. But they wouldn't elaborate on that. Do you know something?

I don't mind paying extra for the XBR3 but I do mind waiting 1-2 month more according to SONY Canada.

insides are all the same for xbr2 and xbr3.
all xbr2 and xbr3 info is over here.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=683533

the 52" version for around $12,000 does not seem right. the samsung 57" will be going for around $10,000
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[quote=lyris]Wow, 3 HDMI. Great news! Pity there's no multiple HDMI on smaller screens, though.

For anyone confused by the SonyStyle info load, I've summarised it

Great link! Thanks! I used the link and compared XBR2 and XBR3 info on my screen side by side. The only difference I could find was the design. Do you know of any other? Also, do you know the PC connection type? HDMI/DVI? 1080p? Input only?
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as said in the official xbr2,xbr3 thead design is the only difference

pc input is VGA, i don't know about using a pc (DVI-D) threw hdmi, this is something i will be trying when i get it to see if one of the hdmi's has 1:1 pixel mapping.
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Sounds like they are getting rid of CableCard, finally!
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Sounds like they are getting rid of CableCard, finally!

until the tv is listed at sonystyle or up for pre order we don't know much more about this tv
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until the tv is listed at sonystyle or up for pre order we don't know much more about this tv

Feel free to confirm via:
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTE...a&Dept=tvvideo
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this link is a preview page, not all specs are final. once we see these tv's in the normal sonystyle pages where the current models are then we can get the final specs on the tv.
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ok...
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No CableCard for me = No sale. There is no way I will ever have a sub-standard cable box that bypasses the expensive video processor that I just purchased with the tv.
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No CableCard for me = No sale. There is no way I will ever have a sub-standard cable box that bypasses the expensive video processor that I just purchased with the tv.


Cabelcard is dead. Read up on Mike 53's posts to learn more.
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on some of the projection tv's shown they still have cable card, the specs listed at the site are not full specs.
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Seems to me that Sony wants to replace their entire lineup with 1080p TVs. I cannot see how they can sell 3 different lines of 1080ps unless they no longer even have a 720p lineup.

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Seems to me that Sony wants to replace their entire lineup with 1080p TVs. I cannot see how they can sell 3 different lines of 1080ps unless they no longer even have a 720p lineup.

I think its because of Blue-Ray, they want all of their LCD's to be compatible with their Blue-Ray player.
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I think its because of Blue-Ray, they want all of their LCD's to be compatible with their Blue-Ray player.

I think it's also compatible with HD-DVD player, for 1:1 pixel mapping, although current HD-DVD player only output 1080i, but I am waiting for the next new model. Time for next-gen DVD.
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This makes me very happy even though I may get the samsung instead. I hope the XBR3 isnt too expensive hahaha. But it will definately have a large affect on the price of 1080p TVS.

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Cabelcard is dead. Read up on Mike 53's posts to learn more.


Since Mike53 works for Sharp, I would not count him as an unbiased source, especially since shap took the cablecard out of all their sets... Think he would say that one is nice to have an use? Nope.

I currently have a XBR40 with cablecard - fantastic solution. If sony removes the cablecard I will go with a Panasonic 600 series 52 inch plasma or other vendor that has one and remove sony from my buy list. If I need one for the bedroom, will find an XBR1 somewhere on closeout.

Overall the sets look just ok to me so far, nothing like the in my face buy this that I felt with my 40VXBR. (and I am looking for a larger set)
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This is what I noted on the XBR2 versus XBR3

XBR2: "Changeable designer color bezels"

This could be interesting especially to please the wives! Especially mine who wants the tv to fit inside our existing cabinet which will fit 37" max. This may be an argument I need to wall hang a 40" larger unit.

My concern is COST..... I was just researching the new Sharp 1080P 37" panel and was gearing up to buy it with the lack of a Sony announcement. The sharp 37" 1080P panell will sell for just under 3k and exactly fit in my cabnet since it's width is 36 32/36 wide. I wonder what a 40" XBR2 /3 will sell for? $3500, $4k, $4500? or will prices come down since they have already discounted existing models 200-400 and other panels are coming down in price by years end? Hopefully back to the same price range as the XBR1 or below. $3-3500 is my max price point. I know the V series is out there but when you see the XBR you want it. Then I'm hoping to get a Sony PS3. Does the average person really have that much money to spend $4k on a tv and another $600-900 on a PS3 with games? I really wonder about Sony's pricing some times.


HEY FOUND THE BEZEL PICTURES!!!!!



Here's a quick photoshop I did:



Found another thread that posted high resolution pictures of the bezels:

http://news.sel.sony.com/images/larg...WATCH_f_lg.jpg

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Wow, 3 HDMI. Great news! Pity there's no multiple HDMI on smaller screens, though.

For anyone confused by the SonyStyle info load, I've summarised it

Great link! Thanks! I used the link and compared XBR2 and XBR3 info on my screen side by side. The only difference I could find was the design. Do you know of any other? Also, do you know the PC connection type? HDMI/DVI? 1080p? Input only?


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Is it just me but does this thread have anything at all to do with the 46" Bravia LCD?

This seems to be the "let's wait for the next Gen Sony LCDs and how good they'll be" thread.
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Is it just me but does this thread have anything at all to do with the 46" Bravia LCD?

This seems to be the "let's wait for the next Gen Sony LCDs and how good they'll be" thread.

Less than one month to the launch of the V Series.

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I picked up a new 46 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from Best Buys a couple of days ago and hooked it into my existing system (Hybrid HDMI 7.1 receiver, 7.1 Polk speaker system, etc, etc). And, yes ... I could have bought one online ... I did buy my 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from an internet vendor last year ... but dealing with those guys in Brooklyn left me a bit shaky about buying anything of substance from them again. So, I decided to pay a few hundred more and save myself the aggravation and trepidation of last year ... I figured leave the New Yorkers to New Yorkers ...

I bought the 46 inch set because of the outstanding picture and quality of the 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV I purchased last year. The idea being to put the larger 46 in set in my "home theater" space and move the 40 in to my bedroom; where I also have some decent middle-of-the-range A/V equipment. I had been wanting to upgrade a couple of components in my "home theater" (center channel speaker, new integrated remote) and thought the purchase of the larger set provided just the opportunity to revamp a few items - just some tweaks.

When I picked up the 46 inch set, I noticed the box felt lighter and the external packing was not as sturdy as I recalled for the 40 inch set. When I got it home and extracted the TV from the box, I noticed the box and packing were a great deal less robust then the 40 inch set ... the 46 inch set was cheaply packed in comparison. Then I saw there were no cooling fans in the 46 inch set ... unlike the 40 inch set which has a top mounted/center 120mm cooling fan. Then ... to my complete surprise followed by terrible heartbreak ... I saw why this set was poorly packed and was missing any active cooling ... the set was "Made in Mexico." I quickly ran into my bedroom and looked at the back of the 40 inch set ... "Made in Japan."

I hooked up the 46 inch set ... turned on the HDTV Cable Box ... tuned it to the best reference HD channel ... and noticed the picture was not nearly as good as the 40 inch set. I did my best to adjust the picture with the custom controls ... but, to no avail ... this is simple not the same quality set as the 40 inch ... its like a knockoff ... it probably is a sanctioned knockoff. The colors and contract are as bad as a cheap, crummy 50 inch VISIO plasma you can pick up at Sam's CLub for less than $1900! Oh man, was I ticked off.

I wrote a scathing email to Sony ... noting among other things, besides the horror of paying $4000 for a TV made in Mexico .... that the warranty card was printed in Spanish ... "Guarantia de Poliza" and though I cannot read Spanish, it appears that all warranty issues must be referred to Mexico City to the independent Sony de Mexico subsidiary. So we are paying $4000 for Sony Model KDL-46XBR2 HDTV's that are made in Mexico ... ? Oh, and Sony's reply ... a form-letter email advising me to call them because the issue I am raising is beyond the scope of email. Right ... let me waste my time calling some guy in Rangoon, India ... I am sure he will be able to put things right (LOL).
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Although it seems as though you have enough money not to be concerned, I wonder why you didn't just return the set to Best Buy? If the set is as bad as you say, why encourage Sony to use "cheap incompetent Mexican labour" by keeping it?

It might be "only" 4 grand, but instead of just being rich, you could be 4 grand richer.
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I picked up a new 46 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from Best Buys a couple of days ago and hooked it into my existing system (Hybrid HDMI 7.1 receiver, 7.1 Polk speaker system, etc, etc). And, yes ... I could have bought one online ... I did buy my 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from an internet vendor last year ... but dealing with those guys in Brooklyn left me a bit shaky about buying anything of substance from them again. So, I decided to pay a few hundred more and save myself the aggravation and trepidation of last year ... I figured leave the New Yorkers to New Yorkers ...

I bought the 46 inch set because of the outstanding picture and quality of the 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV I purchased last year. The idea being to put the larger 46 in set in my "home theater" space and move the 40 in to my bedroom; where I also have some decent middle-of-the-range A/V equipment. I had been wanting to upgrade a couple of components in my "home theater" (center channel speaker, new integrated remote) and thought the purchase of the larger set provided just the opportunity to revamp a few items - just some tweaks.

When I picked up the 46 inch set, I noticed the box felt lighter and the external packing was not as sturdy as I recalled for the 40 inch set. When I got it home and extracted the TV from the box, I noticed the box and packing were a great deal less robust then the 40 inch set ... the 46 inch set was cheaply packed in comparison. Then I saw there were no cooling fans in the 46 inch set ... unlike the 40 inch set which has a top mounted/center 120mm cooling fan. Then ... to my complete surprise followed by terrible heartbreak ... I saw why this set was poorly packed and was missing any active cooling ... the set was "Made in Mexico." I quickly ran into my bedroom and looked at the back of the 40 inch set ... "Made in Japan."

I hooked up the 46 inch set ... turned on the HDTV Cable Box ... tuned it to the best reference HD channel ... and noticed the picture was not nearly as good as the 40 inch set. I did my best to adjust the picture with the custom controls ... but, to no avail ... this is simple not the same quality set as the 40 inch ... its like a knockoff ... it probably is a sanctioned knockoff. The colors and contract are as bad as a cheap, crummy 50 inch VISIO plasma you can pick up at Sam's CLub for less than $1900! Oh man, was I ticked off.

I wrote a scathing email to Sony ... noting among other things, besides the horror of paying $4000 for a TV made in Mexico .... that the warranty card was printed in Spanish ... "Guarantia de Poliza" and though I cannot read Spanish, it appears that all warranty issues must be referred to Mexico City to the independent Sony de Mexico subsidiary. So we are paying $4000 for Sony Model KDL-46XBR2 HDTV's that are made in Mexico ... by Mexicans. How does that grab you? Oh, and Sony's reply ... a form-letter email advising me to call them because the issue I am raising is beyond the scope of email. Right ... let me waste my time calling some guy in Rangoon, India ... I am sure he will be able to put things right (LOL).

Man oh man, you had me laughing hard! Not what happened to you, but rather your writing style...funny stuff. Anyway, regarding Sony's Mexican Assembly Plant, they've been doing it for years, as have quite a number of other consumer electronics mfg'ers. The "made in Japan" doesn't really apply any longer as all the Japanese mfg'ers sub out a lot of electronics all over Southeast Asia, including China. The TV's (or other CE gear) are only assembled in Mexico. Get yourself some screwdrivers and a soldering iron and your in business! Models vary within the Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, etc. and some actually have better build quality & design than other models in the same line. Just take the display back and get what you want. Best Buy has a pretty good return policy, so you should'nt have a problem.
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I checked through this whole thread and cannot find any calibration numbers on a Sony 46" Bravia. Anyone out there have a professional calibration done who wants to share their numbers?
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