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Competition is good!

Let's look at that 15inch LG OLED set.

It was $1700GBP when release around August of 2010, today it's $1050GBP, Or almost 40% less in just over a year.

Even if the 55 inch came out at $10k, it would be almost $6k in about a year. Still a lot, but 2 years down the road, prices could be very competative.

Unless China really starts flooding the market with backlit LCD/LEDs. Which may not be so out of the possibility.



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Wow, did not expect that at all. Wouldn't it be a shocker if by the end of this year we can choose from LG, Samsung and Panasonic OLED TV's? Panasonic seems to be the least likely to succeed if they could not even show a prototype at CES.


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Make sense since AFAIK Sharp doesn't have OLED R&D
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Even if the 55 inch came out at $10k, it would be almost $6k in about a year. Still a lot, but 2 years down the road, prices could be very competative.

I'm ignoring all price rumors. It seems clear to me that both LG and Samsung are keeping that particular card close to their chest.

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Unless China really starts flooding the market with backlit LCD/LEDs. Which may not be so out of the possibility.

This seems like a different market segment to me. I think OLED will be high-end for quite some time.
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Any bets on which year Visio announces an OLED?
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Just one person's opinion, but it's a start. Found someone who addressed Samsung OLED v. LG OLED:

"It's hard to say which OLED screen we've seen thus far was the sharpest Samsung's or LG's but each is astounding in its sharpness and color saturation."

http://mashable.com/2012/01/11/samsung-oled-tv/
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Any bets on which year Visio announces an OLED?

Never. Because it is spelled Vizio.
All these sets are Vaporware for 2012. If we are lucky, second half of 2013 will start to see a few, but you better have very deep pockets.
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Samsung had at least 10 OLED 55inch displays at CES.

Doesn't sound very "Vaporware" to me.

How many VT50s does Panasonic have on display?

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Never. Because it is spelled Vizio.
All these sets are Vaporware for 2012. If we are lucky, second half of 2013 will start to see a few, but you better have very deep pockets.


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Just one person's opinion, but it's a start. Found someone who addressed Samsung OLED v. LG OLED:

"It's hard to say which OLED screen we've seen thus far was the sharpest Samsung's or LG's but each is astounding in its sharpness and color saturation."

http://mashable.com/2012/01/11/samsung-oled-tv/

That's not good news for Sammy

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All these sets are Vaporware for 2012. If we are lucky, second half of 2013 will start to see a few, but you better have very deep pockets.

Since it's only $5 I'll call you on your bet. Amazon voucher please.

Vaporware defined as not purchasable anywhere in the world. For eg LG 31" is vaporware. 15" is not. Price is not a consideration.

Posters here know I have relatively long memory.
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So these companies talked about it happening soon but did they talk about the prices for this year?

Figures OLED would come out after I just bought a plasma after all these years hoping for SED or OLED.

Of course, I rather doubt I would be willing to pay the premium for these initial products.
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http://www.avforums.com/forums/ces-2...ease-year.html

I don't think this will make it in 2012, but chances are it could be a few thousand less than the korean oleds and probably make the ultimate bedroom tv

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Any bets on which year Visio announces an OLED?

Announces? 2013. 2014. 2015. 2016.

Ships? Hahahahaha.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Interesting review:
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Here is one report
http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsun...d-tv_TV_review

I may be imagining things but Sammy seemed to be using "artistic blooming" in many of their shots. I hope they're not trying to hide something.
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Interesting review:


I may be imagining things but Sammy seemed to be using "artistic blooming" in many of their shots. I hope they're not trying to hide something.

It's not your imagination at all. It's used so damned often, I assume it's the OLED equivalent of phosphor lag being hidden. It's possible, though, that the prototypes are being overdriven for demo reasons and so there is a bit of, shall we say, image retention going on... that might well be gone before the shipping product.

Oddly, although I agree with Trusted Reviews that LG's frame and such looked more finished, to me Samsung's panel looked way more production ready than LG's.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Thanks for the clarification. This is getting intriguing.
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As for this ridiculous idea of transparent displays when off that become opaque when on, the only way this could possibly work is to have an entire layer behind the illumination layer that can morph from transparent to opaque. This is so ridiculously Rube Goldberg to solve a problem that doesn't exist, never mind the cost. Knock yourself out dreaming about it; there's a reason even on Star Trek the portable displays had bezels and backplanes.

Samsung seem to like the idea: http://www.tested.com/ces-2012-hands...window/47-705/
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http://lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/contents/61850

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In 2012, LG plans to capture and solidify an early lead in the next generation display market by becoming the industry's first to launch an OLED TV. Following the 55-inch OLED TV's inaugural launch in Korea, the next generation TV will be launched in other markets across the world.

Already dubbed the future of TV, LG's OLED TV exhibits unparalleled picture quality and design. Meanwhile, LG's OLED panel requires low manufacturing costs, as it is a WRGB-type display panel which is most suitable for large-screen TVs. Additionally, LG's display panels can be manufactured with high productivity, due to their low defect rates.

LG decided to feature a 55-inch display panel for its first OLED TV, due to increasing demand for large-screen TVs and LG's goal of leading the next generation display market. OLED TVs in the 40-inch range are also scheduled to be launched later on. Their launch dates will be determined in accordance with market developments.

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http://lgnewsroom.com/newsroom/contents/61850

In 2012, LG plans to capture and solidify an early lead in the next generation display market by becoming the industry's first to launch an OLED TV. Following the 55-inch OLED TV's inaugural launch in Korea, the next generation TV will be launched in other markets across the world.

Already dubbed the future of TV, LG's OLED TV exhibits unparalleled picture quality and design. Meanwhile, LG's OLED panel requires low manufacturing costs, as it is a WRGB-type display panel which is most suitable for large-screen TVs. Additionally, LG's display panels can be manufactured with high productivity, due to their low defect rates.

LG decided to feature a 55-inch display panel for its first OLED TV, due to increasing demand for large-screen TVs and LG's goal of leading the next generation display market. OLED TVs in the 40-inch range are also scheduled to be launched later on. Their launch dates will be determined in accordance with market developments.

That sounds like these won't make it to the US until 2013. Anytime there's talk of launching in Korea first, it makes me think the product won't even hit US shores. However, since there seems to be a race with Samsung and this isn't led/lcd that could make it different.

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..... it is a WRGB-type display panel which is most suitable for large-screen TVs......

I assume by this you mean as regards yields, not PQ. Do I understand you correctly?

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I assume by this you mean as regards yields, not PQ. Do I understand you correctly?

You will have to ask LG, it is their press release . I have edited my post to make this more clear.

But yes, I assume LG means that WRGB is most suitable because of production costs and speed. PQ is probably not a consideration when choosing WRGB.
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That's not good news for Sammy



Since it's only $5 I'll call you on your bet. Amazon voucher please.

Vaporware defined as not purchasable anywhere in the world. For eg LG 31" is vaporware. 15" is not. Price is not a consideration.

Posters here know I have relatively long memory.

Ok, I'll book your bet. Not you or anyone on the internet can photograph a 55" LG OLED retail unit in any store in the USA before the end of 2012. Now, I just need 1,999 more suckers and I will have enough to buy one in late 2013 early 2014 when a variation of that vaporware demo unit might actually come out.
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Ok, I'll book your bet. Not you or anyone on the internet can photograph a 55" LG OLED retail unit in any store in the USA before the end of 2012. Now, I just need 1,999 more suckers and I will have enough to buy one in late 2013 early 2014 when a variation of that vaporware demo unit might actually come out.

Please don't change the bet. It's not nice. You yourself know the context of your drumming in multiple threads.

Vaporware means not available around the world, otherwise it's called "not available in the USA". USA is not the centre of consumer demand as it used to be.

FWIW if you've been lurking in this thread I've been saying it should be within 2013 but looks like there is good chance of it happening before Christmas so I figured I'll call your bluff. I actually follow the development past 2 years
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Please don't change the bet. It's not nice. You yourself know the context of your drumming in multiple threads.

Vaporware means not available around the world. USA is not the centre of consumer demand as it used to be.

FWIW if you've been lurking in this thread I've been saying it should be within 2013 but looks like there is good chance of it happening before Christmas so I figured I'll call your bluff. I actually follow the development past 2 years

Check my original post. Since I and the majority of forum member live here in the USA and this was a consumer electronics show in the USA, it was clear what I and LG meant by 2012 release.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21434214

It is ok. I will release you from your bet, if your confidence that LG can deliver like they said they could is starting to waver.
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Just one person's opinion, but it's a start. Found someone who addressed Samsung OLED v. LG OLED:

"It's hard to say which OLED screen we've seen thus far was the sharpest Samsung's or LG's but each is astounding in its sharpness and color saturation."

http://mashable.com/2012/01/11/samsung-oled-tv/

I have decided on further viewing that the Samsung is being astoundingly overdriven and it's astounding that they are showing material with such artificial colors on the demo loop.

I don't mean that as a knock on the product, but, lord, the more time I spent there, the more exhausted I was looking at it and the more I realized that it was showing things almost entirely removed from nature -- even when showing the flowers.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I have decided on further viewing that the Samsung is being astoundingly overdriven and it's astounding that they are showing material with such artificial colors on the demo loop.

I don't mean that as a knock on the product, but, lord, the more time I spent there, the more exhausted I was looking at it and the more I realized that it was showing things almost entirely removed from nature -- even when showing the flowers.

Definitely interesting. And unfortunate. Hides the underlying product. Ahh well, let's hope it's not a fundamental shortcoming therein.

That being said, if they have ten OLED TVs there (believe I read that somewhere), ask them if they can switch one to a repeating loop of the last Super Bowl. That's pretty much all it would take for me to get emotional and commit to overspending on the first OLED TVs to get released (whenever that day may hopefully be).
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Not really any different then all the other sets on display being in torch mode really.

They always set the platform to it's crowd pleasing setting, not what would be best in home.

LCD for brightness. Plasma for MLL. And now OLED for maximum color saturation and MLL.

Display research did some tests on OLED phones and liked everything they tested except the unreal saturation.

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Definitely interesting. And unfortunate. Hides the underlying product. Ahh well, let's hope it's not a fundamental shortcoming therein.

That being said, if they have ten OLED TVs there (believe I read that somewhere), ask them if they can switch one to a repeating loop of the last Super Bowl. That's pretty much all it would take for me to get emotional and commit to overspending on the first OLED TVs to get released (whenever that day may hopefully be).


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Check my original post. Since I and the majority of forum member live here in the USA and this was a consumer electronics show in the USA, it was clear what I and LG meant by 2012 release.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21434214

It is ok. I will release you from your bet, if your confidence that LG can deliver like they said they could is starting to waver.

I have already pre-empted you by quoting LG 15"/31" as example. Maybe Wikipedia will explain it better:
"Vaporware is a term in the computer industry that describes a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually released nor officially canceled"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

So by your logic, general public for CES refers to Americans? And Mobile World Congress is for Europeans? Or Computex is for Taiwanese? Are you those new American generation that thinks there's only 2 countries in the world: USA and ROW?

There is a country on the pacific rim called South Korea which produces 99% of the subject matter and likely produce >90% for the next 3 years. Maybe you need to find out more about them to understand the subject matter better, or read this thread thoroughly. I'm thinking the US marines in South Korea probably has a better world view.

It's not worth the effort to take this bet but since you've been drumming it around as vapourware so I figured someone got to call your bluff. And I had assumed you understood what the nomenclature means. That someone just happens to be me.

For that matter I call Crystal LED a vapourware. But I roughly know what I am talking about.
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Excuse me

Your 2 contributions to OLED in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21432615

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21438885
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Heck...it did it again. I was quoting Herb and not sytech.[/QUOTE]
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Definitely interesting. And unfortunate. Hides the underlying product. Ahh well, let's hope it's not a fundamental shortcoming therein.

I doubt they are fundamental issues, but I think there will be some tweaking done before you see the finished products.
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That being said, if they have ten OLED TVs there (believe I read that somewhere), ask them if they can switch one to a repeating loop of the last Super Bowl. That's pretty much all it would take for me to get emotional and commit to overspending on the first OLED TVs to get released (whenever that day may hopefully be).

The only ones running any video other than the loop are the two-screens-in-one demo, which is real content and looks reasonably good. The 7 screens in the main demo display cannot be changed off the loop.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I have already pre-empted you by quoting LG 15"/31" as example. Maybe Wikipedia will explain it better:
"Vaporware is a term in the computer industry that describes a product, typically computer hardware or software, that is announced to the general public but is never actually released nor officially canceled"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

So by your logic, general public for CES refers to Americans? And Mobile World Congress is for Europeans? Or Computex is for Taiwanese? Are you those new American generation that thinks there's only 2 countries in the world: USA and ROW?

There is a country on the pacific rim called South Korea which produces 99% of the subject matter and likely produce >90% for the next 3 years. Maybe you need to find out more about them to understand the subject matter better, or read this thread thoroughly. I'm thinking the US marines in South Korea probably has a better world view.

It's not worth the effort to take this bet but since you've been drumming it around as vapourware so I figured someone got to call your bluff. And I had assumed you understood what the nomenclature means. That someone just happens to be me.

For that matter I call Crystal LED a vapourware. But I roughly know what I am talking about.

Vaporware is any product that never comes to market. A few test demo at a show is still vaporware.

http://gizmodo.com/5875570/the-best-new-vaporware

As per the original stipulation, you photograph a 55" LG OLED retail unit in the marketplace and I will bump it up to $20, but alas your confidence is starting to crumble that LG will deliver by trying to split hairs.
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