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"Hey Ed, let's go buy a new tv."
"OK. What do they have?"
"Well, they have plasma, on it's way out. LCD, like our old one. What else?"
"LED?"
"That's just a new name for Lcd. "
"Might as well keep our old one then."

This is the conversation Oled is ment to contine.

"Oh, and they have this new oled. Looks awesome! And it's new!"

Oled will be fine. And they need it to convince millions of people to replace perfectly good working sets.

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"Hey Ed, let's go buy a new tv."
"OK. What do they have?"
"Well, they have plasma, on it's way out. LCD, like our old one. What else?"
"LED?"
"That's just a new name for Lcd. "
"Might as well keep our old one then."

This is the conversation Oled is ment to contine.

"Oh, and they have this new oled. Looks awesome! And it's new!"

Oled will be fine. And they need it to convince millions of people to replace perfectly good working sets.

I was wondering last year if Sony found themselves scratching their heads about this very problem with "Crystal LED". By the way, somebody PLEASE sue the manufacturers that over play the LED without the "-LCD" or "lit" part.

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I was wondering last year if Sony found themselves scratching their heads about this very problem with "Crystal LED". By the way, somebody PLEASE sue the manufacturers that over play the LED without the "-LCD" or "lit" part.
In the UK Samsung LED TV advertising was considered misleading
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/UK-Samsung-LED-Tv-Ads,news-4571.html
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"And LCD remains a moving target. The industry is mature but it is not stagnant. Many a would-be competitor has seen its chosen technology (FED, for example) as having a competitive opportunity against the LCDs of the time, but under-estimated the time it would take to bring the technology to market. By the time they were ready for market, LCD had evolved and closed the competitive gap the new technologies were designed to fill. (Note: Everybody, including the very sophisticated Samsung, underestimates the time it takes to bring a new display technology to market.)"

It's odd. I (and others) have spent the better part of a decade here at AVS explaining this very thing. If we could see that, you'd think people in the industry could see it better than us... The only explanation for why they couldn't is some combination of blind faith and hubris, I suppose....

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Just noticed that this very thread was started May 24, 2006. Many years of hopes and promises. wink.gif
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Give it another 7 years and maybe a product will be available to purchase.rolleyes.gif
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In 2006 LCD sucked and 7 years from now it will still suck!

And 7 years from now Pioneer Kuros will still look great!

And OLED still won't be here!!!

And 4K LCD will still suck!
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Just noticed that this very thread was started May 24, 2006. Many years of hopes and promises. wink.gif

Yep. But I just see that as the thread having been started far too early. :-P

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Interesting conundrum is playing out here.

My Kuro won't last forever. A touch of red bias is developing, and I look forward to the better motion processing of current models.

That said, my Kuro still shines and any new replacement that is currently available will be a minimally marginal improvement at best.

So what is one to do to future proof yourself for the next 5 -7 years?

According to most accounts new plasmas will last until 2015 before they fade from the marketplace,
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I haven't seen a 4k set yet, but most reviewers say marginal improvement until you get over 80" or scoot up to 4' viewing distance. Still need to take it in with my own eyes, but can't rule it in or out yet. Currently watching a 50" set in a medium sized room so 80" could be unworkable.

Then by 2015 is the potential game changing oled displays. Price and availability are very much in doubt, but any avs member who isn't salivating on the best case result on oled sets doesn't belong here,

So I have 2 years for this to play out befor the Kuro gets re-directed to the guest room, and I have no clear idea on what tech display will be best

It was so much clearer and easier decisions purchasing my 1st 2 hd sets.


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It's fairly easy right now if you think something greater than 50" would help improve the immersion of your HT experience. smile.gif
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My advice is to buy the biggest and best plasma you can buy in 2014.

That is the world's LAST CHANCE before 4K LCD that sucks!

There may be some low cost plasmas left in 2015 but I think that the best ones will be discontinued.

2014 is the LAST CHANCE year!

Get it calibrated by one of the great calibrators who were at the shoot out.

Get the best backlighting.

What else can you do?
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My advice is to buy the biggest and best plasma you can buy in 2014.
Or 2013 if you can't wait any longer. wink.gif

I can't imagine there being a wide gap in performance, can you?
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ROGO to the rescue please: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472970/japans-nhk-ioled-solves-longevity-problem

lol

I'm not going to join another thread where they are fantasizing about suddenly shortcircuiting the process by which they promise but don't ship.

I already explained in that thread why NHK's "breakthrough" is irrelevant to actual OLED TV longevity issues (which I don't believe are especially important anyway, but are something).

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I was just astounded at the ignorance of all these missed timelines and I know you can tackle it better.
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What else can you do?

Go outside, meet other people, travel, sports, get a life ...
Don't be attached to TV as zombie for many hours
Look what TV does to you http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034032/

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ROGO to the rescue please: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472970/japans-nhk-ioled-solves-longevity-problem

lol

I'm not going to join another thread where they are fantasizing about suddenly shortcircuiting the process by which they promise but don't ship.

Would've sworn you just did.... wink.gif

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Would've sworn you just did.... wink.gif

I didn't... I had posted in that thread once and it's apparently taken on a life of its own -- like this one. One of these is enough. smile.gif

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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i'd say if your in the hunt for a new set, its for a reason. either necessity or upgrade. either reason is reason enough to not have OLED in the back of your mind when making your upcoming purchase. tv manufacturers sure as hell arent downgrading production of units based on when OLED might hit the mainstream market. tech doesent go backwards so anything you get over what you have now will be better so there is virtually no buyers remorse. those in the "upgrade" department might as well stick with what you have, barring i havent laid eyes on the VT or ZT series from Panasonic with my own eyes. you all have been through this process before and have made a decision. and its the tv hanging on your wall as we speak. no sense in doing this all over again when its not even necessary.
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My advice is to buy the biggest and best plasma you can buy in 2014.

That is the world's LAST CHANCE before 4K LCD that sucks!

There may be some low cost plasmas left in 2015 but I think that the best ones will be discontinued.

2014 is the LAST CHANCE year!

Get it calibrated by one of the great calibrators who were at the shoot out.

Get the best backlighting.

What else can you do?

I don't like the looks of LCD/LEDs either,and think OLEDs might be a promise that never materializes in a practical, mass market sense.
But I think given the great video enthusist's following for plasma quality displays - I think plasmas WILL continue to be available, but they might becme an expensive niche market...

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I don't like the looks of LCD/LEDs either,and think OLEDs might be a promise that never materializes in a practical, mass market sense.
But I think given the great video enthusist's following for plasma quality displays - I think plasmas WILL continue to be available, but they might becme an expensive niche market...

Plasma will continue into at least 2017 and prices should continue to fall as R&D has stopped and no more changes to the production facilities will be needed. 2K OLED for the home theater market is all but dead, and now the dream starts all over as someone looks for a viable and affordable production process for 4K OLED. 4K LCD tech is were all the action will take place as IGZO, quantum dots and MothEye helps it preform closer to OLED. I myself, will be picking up one of the relatively cheap Panasonic 65" S64 or ST60 displays to hold me over until HDMI 2.0, H.265 are in place. A 4K media delivery solution is finalized and prices for large format (70"-90") 4K displays becomes more affordable. Which should be around 2016.
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Samsung and LG to show 75"+ OLED televisions with release plans in the 2nd half of '13 or the first half of 2014. Also planning on UHD OLED TV's in 2014.

http://english.etnews.com/electronics/2777010_1303.html
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Wait a sec. Is LG downplaying the LM9700 already (perhaps because it's 2K?)

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Wait a sec. Is LG downplaying the LM9700 already (perhaps because it's 2K?)

No, They are downplaying it because they never got beyond single digit yields and thus could not reduce cost. The 4K marketing train was just dancing on the grave.
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Samsung and LG to show 75"+ OLED televisions with release plans in the 2nd half of '13 or the first half of 2014. Also planning on UHD OLED TV's in 2014.

http://english.etnews.com/electronics/2777010_1303.html

I'll believe it when I see it. Personally, and for sale.

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Wait a sec. Is LG downplaying the LM9700 already (perhaps because it's 2K?)

No, They are downplaying it because they never got beyond single digit yields and thus could not reduce cost. The 4K marketing train was just dancing on the grave.

Yeah, but the 4K 75" isn't going to be any easier yield-wise, is it? If they're now "announcing" (or semi-announcing, leaking, whatever) a 4K OLED, it seems to me that maybe they're soon to be pulling quickly away from the 9700 ever having existed. No?

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Samsung and LG to show 75"+ OLED televisions with release plans in the 2nd half of '13 or the first half of 2014. Also planning on UHD OLED TV's in 2014.

http://english.etnews.com/electronics/2777010_1303.html

I would fire everyone in OLED PR or whoever is telling them to talk to the press and put out drivel like this. A 75" TV in 2013? Please. They haven't shipped the damn 55". My goodness. These people are the companies that cried OLED.
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No, They are downplaying it because they never got beyond single digit yields and thus could not reduce cost. The 4K marketing train was just dancing on the grave.

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I'll believe it when I see it. Personally, and for sale.

Only way we'll ever know it's shipping is when it's in Best Buy. I said that a long time ago, seems truer than ever.
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Yeah, but the 4K 75" isn't going to be any easier yield-wise, is it? If they're now "announcing" (or semi-announcing, leaking, whatever) a 4K OLED, it seems to me that maybe they're soon to be pulling quickly away from the 9700 ever having existed. No?

Right. It's a stupid product anyway. It needs to be under $6,000 to ever move 100,000 units and has no chance of doing that. So why bother? I guess we'll see how this plays out.

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Samsung and LG to show 75"+ OLED televisions with release plans in the 2nd half of '13 or the first half of 2014. Also planning on UHD OLED TV's in 2014.

http://english.etnews.com/electronics/2777010_1303.html


this is a prank, right?
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this is a prank, right?

I don't think so ...
Both shown 55" OLEDs, didn't they?
Now, they promise to show 70", 75", 77" OLEDs
The key word is "show"
While "show" and "buy" have diff meanings, isn't it?
Is tech exist? Yes
Can I buy it? No

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This might be old news, I'm not sure.

Panasonic stops plasma to focus on OLED

Source: Advanced Television

Electronics giant Panasonic is to cease R&D and shortly production of its famed plasma displays, reckoned by many to be amongst the best in the business. Instead, Panasonic will switch to OLED developments.

Panasonic is not the first high-end manufacturer to admit that it’s tough to maintain a profit margin on the increasingly price-squeezed High Street. Pioneer did much the same a couple of years ago.

But with Panasonic’s enviable reputation for high quality, the news is not all bad. Panasonic Display VP Kiyoshi Okamoto confirmed that its latest ZT60 Smart TV will be the last plasma model to come from its R&D division. Okamoto stressed that Panasonic will continue to produce and sell its latest range of plasma TVs until 2014 at the earliest.

To date Panasonic’s OLED efforts have been limited to a R&D project with Sony.

Panasonic’s financial troubles have not been helped by a decline in sales of TV displays in the US. For the past year sales have suffered in the USA, and are not expected to recover until 2014, according to IHS iSupply. This year’s sales will fall 2.7 per cent, following on from last year’s decline of 5.8 per cent. In pure numbers IHS expects around 36.6 million sets (of all types) to be sold this year, recovering to 37.8 million in 2014.

But the Plasma sector suffered a near-catastrophic sales collapse, down 24 per cent last year (in the US) to just 3.6 million units, and helping Panasonic’s decision to exit the market.
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