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post #8461 of 10554 Old 01-29-2014, 09:17 AM
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IMO a strong indicator that LG is being successful with mass production of OLED TVs will be the announcement of several new models with FLAT screens.

 

And to think I remember when flat screens were a great selling point ... in CRT days! (Back then, TVs were normally convex for structural integrity of the CRT and no one had any delusions of that curvature improving improving the viewing experience.) I'm interested in seeing if real-world experience of concave screens does anything to improve the viewing experience.


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IMO a strong indicator that LG is being successful with mass production of OLED TVs will be the announcement of several new models with FLAT screens.

 

And to think I remember when flat screens were a great selling point ... in CRT days! (Back then, TVs were normally convex for structural integrity of the CRT and no one had any delusions of that curvature improving improving the viewing experience.) I'm interested in seeing if real-world experience of concave screens does anything to improve the viewing experience.

 

.....Structural integrity was gained with a curve, but it was not the compelling reason.  Getting an beam to emanate from a point source in the back outward to a flat rectangle requires a continuity of positional adjustments.  And the intensity of the beam varies on angle as well.

 

Positional issues alone though, the first days of the "flat screen" CRTs were a disaster!  They were in deed flat but looked oddly bowed inward in places because of how they didn't quite get the columnation down.


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BTW, speaking of absurdly stupid.

 

Has anyone seen a curved TV mounted on a wall yet?  I can't find any images online of such a thing except for the curved TV mounted on curved walls in shows.  Which I find funny in its own way.


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I just read a comment regarding the real reason many of these sets are curved. So folks will notice them when they walk into a store. Most average shoppers will notice the curve before they notice any PQ improvement. Makes sense.

Back in mid-December i stopped in Video & Audio Center (an old-school higher-end AV store that i hadn't been to in years) and it was like being in flat panel heaven - it's a gorgeous showroom with like 3 dozen TVs. I was wandering around and sure enough that curved TV in the middle caught my eye (it was the LG OLED) then i spotted the curved Samsung OLED (both sitting on credenzas). The salesman (an old pro who i knew many years ago from Ken Crane's) remembered me and we chatted a bit then he asked me what i think about the curve and before i could think about being polite, i blurted out "It looks absolutely ridiculous". He kinda laughed and said that it does get a lot of attention but ultimately the curve is not popular among shoppers.

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The only thing I can ad to that scenario is that the vast majority of possible buyers will not have their initial experience with "curved" at a high end video store. That same set up in a Best Buy type environment will be much more successful. Once you get past the cost factor, and that will be a big factor, you have the wife factor. Female acceptance of "curved" will go a long long way to its acceptability in the home.
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Back in mid-December i stopped in Video & Audio Center (an old-school higher-end AV store that i hadn't been to in years) and it was like being in flat panel heaven - it's a gorgeous showroom with like 3 dozen TVs. I was wandering around and sure enough that curved TV in the middle caught my eye (it was the LG OLED) then i spotted the curved Samsung OLED (both sitting on credenzas). The salesman (an old pro who i knew many years ago from Ken Crane's) remembered me and we chatted a bit then he asked me what i think about the curve and before i could think about being polite, i blurted out "It looks absolutely ridiculous". He kinda laughed and said that it does get a lot of attention but ultimately the curve is not popular among shoppers.
Amazing (and nice!) to hear that there are still a few independant, dedicated A/V stores left out there.

As an aside, I did stop in Best Buy's flagship store near their headquarters in Richfirled, MN on Tuesday the 28th and they had the LG's 55" curved OLED on display and running.
I extensively tested the 'off-axis' capabilities of this display while there, and it actually performs quite well in that regard which is a relief for any future decison I may make concerning OLEDs since plasmas are sadly on the way out...now to get these things in bigger (flat) panels and at a (much) better price!

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Amazing (and nice!) to hear that there are still a few independant, dedicated A/V stores left out there.

As an aside, I did stop in Best Buy's flagship store near their headquarters in Richfirled, MN on Tuesday the 28th and they had the LG's 55" curved OLED on display and running.
I extensively tested the 'off-axis' capabilities of this display while there, and it actually performs quite well in that regard which is a relief for any future decison I may make concerning OLEDs since plasmas are sadly on the way out...now to get these things in bigger (flat) panels and at a (much) better price!

I'm glad off axis viewing was OK, but I can't imagine watching a curved screen off axis. The far away parts would be OK, but looking along the curve closest to me would drive me nuts.
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Female acceptance of "curved" will go a long long way to its acceptability in the home.

Well, all I can say is your wife is pretty different from mine. As far as WAF in my home, the TV needs to be as unobtrusive and invisible as possible, and the last thing my wife would want is a curved screen in the living room drawing even more attention to itself...

I would suggest that anyone using a 'TV-cozy' will never bring a curved panel into their home (unless, of course, they have a dedicated HT room. That is a different story...).

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I have a dedicated HT room and I would NEVER bring a curved screen into my home. I have seen the curved OLEDs with their distorted image and would NEVER buy one. I wouldn't take one is they gave it to me.
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Well, all I can say is your wife is pretty different from mine. As far as WAF in my home, the TV needs to be as unobtrusive and invisible as possible, and the last thing my wife would want is a curved screen in the living room drawing even more attention to itself...

I would suggest that anyone using a 'TV-cozy' will never bring a curved panel into their home (unless, of course, they have a dedicated HT room. That is a different story...).

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Ha. My wife is exactly like yours. Actually what I meant was that the wife's unacceptability of curved will insure it's death. Curved = Edsel.

Got you - so we're perfectly aligned. Perhaps Korean wives get excited about the idea of a curved TV in the home, but I guess that here in the US, getting a curved TV over the minimum WAF threshold is going to prove to be an even greater challenge that getting a larger diagonal panel through the front door biggrin.gif

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Got you - so we're perfectly aligned. Perhaps Korean wives get excited about the idea of a curved TV in the home, but I guess that here in the US, getting a curved TV over the minimum WAF threshold is going to prove to be an even greater challenge that getting a larger diagonal panel through the front door biggrin.gif

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OMG! That's a pure genius ploy. Take your wife into a store and show her the curved that you really really want (NOT). When she says"over my dead body", you kind of him haw around and look ever so sad and say "well OK i guess but can I at least go a little bit bigger than we had planned"? Somebody please try this ASAP and report back. Now I wish I hadn't just got a 70".
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"Large LCD Sales Jump As Wives Come To Realize Anything Is Better Than Having a Hideous Curved TV In Their Living Rooms; Rejuvenated Industry Claims, 'That Was Our Plan All Along, Mu-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha' "

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I'm glad off axis viewing was OK, but I can't imagine watching a curved screen off axis. The far away parts would be OK, but looking along the curve closest to me would drive me nuts.
Yeah, I agree about the curved screen being a problem.
But at least I confirmed that (even despite the curve) I could certainly live with an OLED display in my HT (converted living room!) should they ever come down in price, up in size, and fix the production problems and blue color longevity issues.
The off-axis viewing quality didn't deteriorate at all that I could tell - even when 45 degrees off center.
A nice 75" OLED 4K would be just about perfect...smile.gif
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"Large LCD Sales Jump As Wives Come To Realize Anything Is Better Than Having a Hideous Curved TV In Their Living Rooms; Rejuvenated Industry Claims, 'That Was Our Plan All Along, Mu-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha' "

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By the time they can produce OLEDs are reasonable prices, curved screens will be as prevalent as 3D glasses at BB.
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Even if OLED's were flat they are not affordable for many. Let the electronics companies play around a bit. Think of curved Tv's as those concept cars at auto shows, if they were for sale how many would actually be sold. When OLED's are affordable there will be flat ones (and maybe a couple of curved ones).

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Well, the difference between the concept cars and the curved OLEDs is the latter are for sale, for better or for worse. wink.gif
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Well. even if those curved OLEDs do not sell there was enough media noise that general public is now educated there is something called OLED and it is different from LED tongue.gif.

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OMG! That's a pure genius ploy. Take your wife into a store and show her the curved that you really really want (NOT). When she says"over my dead body", you kind of him haw around and look ever so sad and say "well OK i guess but can I at least go a little bit bigger than we had planned"? Somebody please try this ASAP and report back. Now I wish I hadn't just got a 70".

 

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Everything in the universe nowadays favors LCD that sucks--I need to change universes.
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Probably.  As I have read your foaming at the mouth tirades over the many months, I've done so on a circa 2006 LCD notebook screen.  If I shift my head to the left or right a single inch, the opposing side darkens.  In fact, the middle is brightest because of the viewing angle alone.  I chuckle inwardly about how well you'd deal with this situation.


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Everything in the universe nowadays favors LCD that sucks--I need to change universes.

 

Probably.  As I have read your foaming at the mouth tirades over the many months, I've done so on a circa 2006 LCD notebook screen.  If I shift my head to the left or right a single inch, the opposing side darkens.  In fact, the middle is brightest because of the viewing angle alone.  I chuckle inwardly about how well you'd deal with this situation.


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^ The best joke I have seen in weeks on this forum. Better than needing a jock strap with the larger SVS subwoofers.

Whatever ... evidently you didn't like the vacuum cleaner joke.

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I have to say, I LOL-ed on the microwave joke. As in, actual, audible laughing.
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I have a dedicated HT room and I would NEVER bring a curved screen into my home. I have seen the curved OLEDs with their distorted image and would NEVER buy one. I wouldn't take one is they gave it to me.

I couldn't stand the curve when i saw the LG and Sammy, it just looked really stupid and it seemed to make the geometry look a little off (a sort of "Bow Tie" effect) when sitting with my eye level at mid-screen (the top bows upward and bottom bows downward). It's just weird. I even told the salesman there's no way i'd buy a curved TV even at 1/10th the price. The TV makers cannot be serious about this curved crap. At least i hope they're not.

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They will be serious about it until they don't sell any or very little.
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So much hate towards curve tv's.... I know 99.9% avsforum members hate it but I guess I'm that 00.1%. tongue.gif

I think it's very nice. If I have the money I would buy one. I sit directly in the middle when I watch my tv so a curve screen won't be a problem.
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