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That's the other shoe many of us are waiting to drop.

Which brings up a question. How long does it take for time related issues such as burn in and IR to occur before its safe to go out and buy one?????
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I really think that some products just don't lend themselves well to a yearly release cycle. Shows tick off like clockwork every year, and every year there is this pressure to release something new or be viewed as out of the game. It's really absurd, but unfortunately seems the way of things.

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In case this has not been posted yet: http://global.ofweek.com/news/LG-Dis...-screens-15406


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“LCD has no future. The Chinese can make even ultra high-definition TVs at lower costs,” says Oh Chang-ho, senior vice-president of LG’s OLED TV development division. “We cannot win this price war. For survival, we have to make products that they cannot make.”


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“LG has resolved most of the technological challenges but high prices remain a problem for OLED TVs to reach the mass market,” says Soh Hyun-chul, an analyst at Shinhan Investment. LG’s 55-inch full HD curved OLED TVs cost $4,999, while its same-size ultra high-definition LCD TVs go for $2,999.

Mr Oh forecasts 2017 will be the year OLED TVs hit the big time, as rising production finally brings prices down to affordable levels. Market researcher IHS Technology forecasts OLED TV shipments to grow from 92,000 units this year to 9m units in 2019.

Many analysts are less sanguine. While they expect Samsung Display to eventually join LG in the race – even if only to avoid falling behind – they caution that OLED is unlikely to replace LCD any time soon.

“Consumers will not buy OLED TVs no matter how high quality the products are if they are expensive,” says Jerry Kang, an analyst at IHS.

“The question is how far and how fast prices can be cut. If they can’t find a low-cost way to produce OLEDs, we cannot rule out the possibility that the technology may face the same fate as plasma.”

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Hard to find a 55" 1080p for $2999 anywhere, while LGs flagship 55" 1080p TV, the 55UB9500, can be found for under $2000...


So while the article implies that the premium for WOLED over LED/LCD is currently only 67% (1.7X), at $5000 for the WOLED, it's more like 150% (2.5X).


And the reference to 2017 being the 'year of OLED' rather than 2016 as has been stated in the past, is disturbing. To say the least - LG WOLED may not make it that long if they can not sell the full M2 production of 1.5M 55" WOLEDs (or equivalent) in 2016...
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“LCD has no future. The Chinese can make even ultra high-definition TVs at lower costs,” says Oh Chang-ho, senior vice-president of LG’s OLED TV development division. “We cannot win this price war. For survival, we have to make products that they cannot make.”
LG LCd has not future because the chinese can make them at lower costs. For survival LG must make products that the chinese cannot make.


Is this is the drive behind LG OLED..survival?
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LG LCd has not future because the chinese can make them at lower costs. For survival LG must make products that the chinese cannot make.


Is this is the drive behind LG OLED..survival?
By the way, neither Kateeva (equipment) nor Merck (the ones who are behind Kateeva and who can and are gonna supply OLED materials ( singles from which OLED materials are made) for printing ) believe that there's a lot of money in TV making.

I remember attending a presentation by Merck years ago back in 2009, if memory serves right, Merck said that OLED was all about lighting, a "futuristic" light bulb that can go on for millions of hours on end that can't be broken by a 20 foot fall and draws just a fraction of what a traditional light bulb draws power-wise. It's kinda funny and tragic at the same to see how they are not saying such things about OLEDs any more after a billion of R&D money spent...

Here's an interesting article about OLED printing http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogo...ont-be-an-lcd/

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If OLED lighting last lifetimes, how is it such an attractive ROI?

GE didn't make money by making light bulbs which were never replaced.
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LG LCd has not future because the chinese can make them at lower costs. For survival LG must make products that the chinese cannot make.


Is this is the drive behind LG OLED..survival?
Name a non Chinese LCD brand that can compete in prices with China. If we take the time to think about it, yeah, LG's may be doing a smart move.
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Name a non Chinese LCD brand that can compete in prices with China. If we take the time to think about it, yeah, LG's may be doing a smart move.
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Yes. As far as I know Vizio only sells their tvs in USA.
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Name a non Chinese LCD brand that can compete in prices with China. If we take the time to think about it, yeah, LG's may be doing a smart move.
right. maybe.. doing a smart move, maybe OLED wil be going the way of Plasma - once promising technology that has been expensive to develop and utimately not wide adopted.

The thing is LG OLED undertaken comes across here as being an act of desperation instead of confidence. I never looked at it that way.
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right. maybe.. doing a smart move, maybe OLED wil be going the way of Plasma - once promising technology that has been expensive to develop and utimately not wide adopted.

The thing is LG OLED undertaken comes across here as being an act of desperation instead of confidence. I never looked at it that way.
I'm not sure, but I think a lot of people didn't buy Plasmas cause they found them dim and not as bright as LCDs. Not all people calibrate their tvs, a lot of them like their tvs in torch mode, ultra bright. Only issue with OLED right now, is Image Retention.

Well, at least LG has managed to keep producing WOLEDS. We cannot say the same for Samsung's RGB OLED. Blue color's short life?
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If OLED lighting last lifetimes, how is it such an attractive ROI?

GE didn't make money by making light bulbs which were never replaced.
Well, high end LEDs already offer over 70,000 hours to 70 percent of its original brightness and MTBF of 100,000 hours which is about 70 times more than incandescent lighting devices do.

http://www.lumec.com/newsletter/architect_06-08/led.htm

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Here's an interesting article about OLED printing http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogo...ont-be-an-lcd/
That is an interesting article


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LG LCd has not future because the chinese can make them at lower costs. For survival LG must make products that the chinese cannot make.


Is this is the drive behind LG OLED..survival?
Why exactly will the Chinese not make OLEDs too?

Doesn't seem that difficult. They could use the Kateeva machines or steal the tech from LG and they're on their way.

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